All Blacks 2021

pakman

@nzzp said in All Blacks 2021:

@wairau said in All Blacks 2021:

lots of records will be set this year by the 2021 ABs:

Clearly down to Foster's coaching

Downvote.

booboo

@pakman said in All Blacks 2021:

@nzzp said in All Blacks 2021:

@wairau said in All Blacks 2021:

lots of records will be set this year by the 2021 ABs:

Clearly down to Foster's coaching

Downvote.

Yeah, I wish we had a different coach and played badly, at least we'd have different coach..

nzzp

@pakman said in All Blacks 2021:

@nzzp said in All Blacks 2021:

@wairau said in All Blacks 2021:

lots of records will be set this year by the 2021 ABs:

Clearly down to Foster's coaching

Downvote.

I'm not a fan of these volume based records ... schedule three extra tests against Namibia, Georgia and Cook Islands and you'll smash these numbers. But you won't be a better rugby team.

This team has deep flaws. SA exposed them. Aus almost exposed them. our forwards are still the big question mark for me; good forwards and a rush defence = potential to beat the ABs

Machpants

I'm not a huge fan either. But if they exist ABs should be at the top of them when it comes to tries and points!

Billy Tell

For next year, we need a specialist 13 at 13. If Goodhue is back to his best, he is a lock as starting 13. I think ALB is a better 13 than 12, which is unfortunate. So he'd be my bench option covering 12 and 13. We haven't seen enough of Tupaea, but he looks promising. Reiko can play 11 with emergency centre cover. Havili can be retained as a squad member who covers a lot of positions but his last few matches have been pretty dreadful as a 12 in any case. His best position is probably 15, but he's not better than Jordie.

The Irish will bring Aki, Henshaw and Ringrose, who are all good midfielders, so it will be a decent challenge.

Chris

@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2021:

@chris really all he gt right was the idea we dont have a 12...then it goes off the rails

There is more than that in the Article he got right amongst some BS.

Tim

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/all-blacks-side-full-of-character-could-use-some-more-talent-in-search-of-new-identity/

antipodean

@tim Ben Smith reads the Fern.

kiwi_expat

This article basically sums up what I've stated previously.

Razor's hugely innovative systems get the most out of relatively limited players - Foster then takes these same limited players & substitutes them directly into his (much less effective..) systems and people wonder why it doesn't exactly work out seamlessly.

Billy Tell

I sort of agree. But there have been plenty of “power” backs who are just average rugby players and they too get found out at the top level.

voodoo

I've never thought of Goodhue as an undersized midfielder

Frank

Peter Umaga Jensen should have been picked despite an average Super rugby season.

I believe Hansen did that several times with players he deemed to be good fits for the ABs.

There's still time.

Dan54

@frank said in All Blacks 2021:

Peter Umaga Jensen should have been picked despite an average Super rugby season.

I believe Hansen did that several times with players he deemed to be good fits for the ABs.

There's still time.

I not convinced PUJ is a test player. We are a bit week at 12, but I think Tupaea has a better look doesn't he? PUJ hasn't had a good NPC either.

Canes4life

@dan54 said in All Blacks 2021:

@frank said in All Blacks 2021:

Peter Umaga Jensen should have been picked despite an average Super rugby season.

I believe Hansen did that several times with players he deemed to be good fits for the ABs.

There's still time.

I not convinced PUJ is a test player. We are a bit week at 12, but I think Tupaea has a better look doesn't he? PUJ hasn't had a good NPC either.

What have you been watching? He’s been the shining light in a crap Lions team and has somehow managed to still run up the metres on attack. He’s been quite dominant actually.

He had a fantastic 2020 campaign including dominating his clashes with his AB rivals, but fell out of favour with Holland even though he was clearly the most consistent midfielder in the Hurricanes. Which bewildered most of us.

I think if he gets another crack at test footy he will shine.

canefan

@canes4life said in All Blacks 2021:

@dan54 said in All Blacks 2021:

@frank said in All Blacks 2021:

Peter Umaga Jensen should have been picked despite an average Super rugby season.

I believe Hansen did that several times with players he deemed to be good fits for the ABs.

There's still time.

I not convinced PUJ is a test player. We are a bit week at 12, but I think Tupaea has a better look doesn't he? PUJ hasn't had a good NPC either.

What have you been watching? He’s been the shining light in a crap Lions team and has somehow managed to still run up the metres on attack. He’s been quite dominant actually.

He had a fantastic 2020 campaign including dominating his clashes with his AB rivals, but fell out of favour with Holland even though he was clearly the most consistent midfielder in the Hurricanes. Which bewildered most of us.

I think if he gets another crack at test footy he will shine.

Holland is a dope. He and the board should be shown the door. That is all.

Crazy Horse

I am reserving judgement on QT until after the next Super season. While he has done OK with the ABs I wonder if he has done anything more with the ABs than someone like Nankivell would have achieved. I don't yet see what sets QT apart from other options.

Crucial

@crazy-horse said in All Blacks 2021:

I am reserving judgement on QT until after the next Super season. While he has done OK with the ABs I wonder if he has done anything more with the ABs than someone like Nankivell would have achieved. I don't yet see what sets QT apart from other options.

I agree. I support him getting gametime in the ABs and can see his value/ potential but all in a development sense and because our options are currently slim.
But yes, I would like to see him show why he deserves to keep the black jersey by showing out a bit in Super

Chris

@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2021:

@chris said in All Blacks 2021:

Normally I don't rise to this sort of comment, but...

You are blinded by your Love for Foster,

Where have I said I love - or even admire Foster?

How do we know if we don’t change ,

A simply ridiculous point. It's like arguing Robertson should be sacked as Crusaders coach as another coach might win by bigger margins and, until we sack Robertson, we won't know.

All we know it what we have now which is poor.

You one sensible and obvious comment. To which I refer you to the entirety of my post where I took the time to think and set out what I thought the problems were.

By your reckoning Foster should have the job forever no matter what his record of success is,because you are scared of change.
In case in doesn’t work.

Having spent a moderately successful career helping organisations adapt and change to improve the quality of their output, the idea that I'm scared of change is really fucking silly. But I've seen too many cases where change without considering the root causes of the problem, not only didn't work, it made things worse.

And no change were things get worse yes.

And you jumped right out of the water and took the bait.

Chris

@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:

@canefan said in All Blacks 2021:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Ian Foster has signed a two-year contract extension as All Blacks head coach through to the 2023 World Cup, the Herald can reveal.

After much conjecture, the Herald understands New Zealand Rugby has moved to give Foster and his management team security as they prepare to lead the All Blacks for 14 weeks away from home.

Foster's assistants John Plumtree, Brad Mooar, Scott McLeod and Greg Feek are expected to re-sign alongside Foster in the coming weeks.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby-ian-foster-signs-new-deal-with-all-blacks-after-tense-standoff/2DZTFDFE7IGRBAE7KZTQLYNW5U/
If his assistants are yet to sign or be offered deals, the NZRFU should not be extending those now
That quote said it would happen before they went on tour, so don't hold out much hope.

I can't find a source which confirms their appointment though, so there is some hope.

Assuming you can't get rid of Foster, I'd look for two or perhaps three new assistants:

Forwards: If Plums is the voice behind Ardie at 8, he should go. I like Coventry, who else is there?
Defence: Robertson started as a defense specialist, correct @Chris ? Who else?
Attack: Brown is the obvious one to try to get, but I don't think they can get him. Who else?
Scrum/set piece: How happy are we with Feek here? Ryan could be good here as well.

Mate Robertson,Ryan and Brown would be awesome,I wouldn't mind McDonald being involved as well.

sparky

@kirwan said in All Blacks 2021:

NZRU need to decide if they want to win the World Cup or not.

We have no chance with the current coaching setup. Time for a big decision.

My review of the All Blacks 2021.

Positives

Held on to the Bledisloe again.
Won the Rugby Championship again.
Some very good youngsters coming through.
Scored 101 tries.
Nice to have some money coming in from new sponsors

Negatives

We look a billion miles from a side that is going to win the World Cup in two years time.
The backline defence is awful.
Our forwards struggle against big packs.
Our inside back struggle against the rush defence.
We don't cope with pressure well and make too many mistakes.
We no longer have an advantage in fitness and conditioning against the top sides.
A number of players in our squad have 30+ caps but have not developed into world-class players.

Conclusion

Current coaching set up is not good enough.

The Silver Fern

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