All Blacks 2021
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@duluth said in All Blacks 2021:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
There are plenty in that table that are far away from being ready.
I agree. Those are the positions that lack depth.
It's an easy way of glancing across the rows and seeing where the problems are
1,2,3 OK but hardly a strong fight.
4,5 weak depth
6 pretty good
7 only strong to 3rd pick if AS is moved there
8 only good by shuffling some 6s in
9 OK if Fakatava is available but quality drops quickly
10 weak
11 weak
12 some options but nothing cemented
13 first choice good, then like 12
14 depth disappears quickly
15 with no DMac very weak although breakout seasons from Sullivan and/or CGB could change that picture. -
@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
11 weak
14 depth disappears quicklyI can't think of time when the wing depth has been worse
@duluth said in All Blacks 2021:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
11 weak
14 depth disappears quicklyI can't think of time when the wing depth has been worse
Which is saying a lot when we had Ralph on the wing
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listing a bunch of names is not depth!
Some of the guys in the left column aren't playing well, some of the guys in the 2nd column have been proven to not be to standard
that's not depth, that's just people who play the position
this looks like another "NZ rugby players are all amazing, so it can't be their fault results aren't there"
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
listing a bunch of names is not depth!
Some of the guys in the left column aren't playing well, some of the guys in the 2nd column have been proven to not be to standard
that's not depth, that's just people who play the position
this looks like another "NZ rugby players are all amazing, so it can't be their fault results aren't there"
I'm just disappointed they stopped naming people after five. I wanted to everyone to know that I'm 1847834th in line to be first five-eighth for the All Blacks.
To actually show the relative depth in positions, they should have coloured the cells with the standard of the player.
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Good analysis I thought. The enlarged squad needed this year for such a tough program has built depth through international test opportunities.
Shows how weak we are depth wise in some spots and how some super teams will be threadbare in areas.
Only quibbles for me were Rayasi T Christie and Love rated that high.
We have a lot of 'not quites' at 6 currently. Hoping someone pushes forward there and that we get others progress at prop 10 and back 3.
Thought Harry Plummer and Selby Rickett deserved inclusion and maybe Sami Finau and Sam Gilbert. But only at 5th choice level. -
There'll be a few surprises that come through, always does.
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There'll be a few surprises that come through, always does.
Depth in mediocrity perhaps.
There's only 2-3 people on that list I'd argue are currently amongst the top in the world in their position (and the second one and third one are arguable). -
Odd to see Rayasi ranked as 3rd best right wing. I have never seen him play in that position. Christie included in the best opensides is also weird as he did not play in 2021 and hardly set the world on fire in 2020. Nankivell named as outside centre is also questionable as he is mainly a second five. I don't know how to think about Ruben Love's inclusion in this list too. McClutchie was far better in this year's NPC and I am not from Napier !
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@machpants that’s probably why our forwards are fucked. He has them riding stationary bikes.
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@duluth said in All Blacks 2021:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
11 weak
14 depth disappears quicklyI can't think of time when the wing depth has been worse
Which is saying a lot when we had Ralph on the wing
@kirwan said in All Blacks 2021:
@duluth said in All Blacks 2021:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
11 weak
14 depth disappears quicklyI can't think of time when the wing depth has been worse
Which is saying a lot when we had Ralph on the wing
Stole lots of caps from Rundle, Reihana and James Kerr.
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It’s funny. Savea is highly rated outside of this forum, whether that’s journalists or rugby fans from our opponents, but here he seems to be regarded as borderline useless. Someone is wrong.
@billy-tell said in All Blacks 2021:
It’s funny. Savea is highly rated outside of this forum, whether that’s journalists or rugby fans from our opponents, but here he seems to be regarded as borderline useless. Someone is wrong.
I see world rugby have named him at number 8 in their dream team. Along with Barrett at 10 and Jordan at 14.
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@billy-tell said in All Blacks 2021:
It’s funny. Savea is highly rated outside of this forum, whether that’s journalists or rugby fans from our opponents, but here he seems to be regarded as borderline useless. Someone is wrong.
I see world rugby have named him at number 8 in their dream team. Along with Barrett at 10 and Jordan at 14.
@billy-tell said in All Blacks 2021:
@billy-tell said in All Blacks 2021:
It’s funny. Savea is highly rated outside of this forum, whether that’s journalists or rugby fans from our opponents, but here he seems to be regarded as borderline useless. Someone is wrong.
I see world rugby have named him at number 8 in their dream team. Along with Barrett at 10 and Jordan at 14.
was astonished by Savea there. He's outstanding, but just doesn't seem to fit our mix of loosies.
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@billy-tell said in All Blacks 2021:
@billy-tell said in All Blacks 2021:
It’s funny. Savea is highly rated outside of this forum, whether that’s journalists or rugby fans from our opponents, but here he seems to be regarded as borderline useless. Someone is wrong.
I see world rugby have named him at number 8 in their dream team. Along with Barrett at 10 and Jordan at 14.
was astonished by Savea there. He's outstanding, but just doesn't seem to fit our mix of loosies.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2021:
He's outstanding
at what?
His height. He stands out.......
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2021:
He's outstanding
at what?
at being a rugby player.
He's really good across most facets of the game, athletic, fast and skillful.
Just ... short, smaller than others, and not complementary to the other players we have around him
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2021:
He's outstanding
at what?
at being a rugby player.
He's really good across most facets of the game, athletic, fast and skillful.
Just ... short, smaller than others, and not complementary to the other players we have around him
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2021:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2021:
He's outstanding
at what?
at being a rugby player.
He's really good across most facets of the game, athletic, fast and skillful.
Just ... short, smaller than others, and not complementary to the other players we have around him
he doesn't hit hard in the tackle, he can't clean a ruck to save himself (on either side of the ball) nor does he really like too, our turnover stats say he isn't good on teh ground either. And this guy is supposed to be a #8?
So he's an obvious athlete and is pretty good after contact. That's it?
Colour me massively underwhelmed. I am convinced the vast majority of people only watch youtube highlights of games given the absolutely shit takes i constantly see.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2021:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2021:
He's outstanding
at what?
at being a rugby player.
He's really good across most facets of the game, athletic, fast and skillful.
Just ... short, smaller than others, and not complementary to the other players we have around him
he doesn't hit hard in the tackle, he can't clean a ruck to save himself (on either side of the ball) nor does he really like too, our turnover stats say he isn't good on teh ground either. And this guy is supposed to be a #8?
So he's an obvious athlete and is pretty good after contact. That's it?
Colour me massively underwhelmed. I am convinced the vast majority of people only watch youtube highlights of games given the absolutely shit takes i constantly see.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
Colour me massively underwhelmed. I am convinced the vast majority of people only watch youtube highlights of games given the absolutely shit takes i constantly see.
I'd happily have him in my AB squad. Great off the bench- and can play a role in a loose forward trio that's right for him at the very top level. That's just not our loosies right now (combined with obstinate coaching)
but yeah, I don't see him as the best 8 in the world
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
Colour me massively underwhelmed. I am convinced the vast majority of people only watch youtube highlights of games given the absolutely shit takes i constantly see.
I'd happily have him in my AB squad. Great off the bench- and can play a role in a loose forward trio that's right for him at the very top level. That's just not our loosies right now (combined with obstinate coaching)
but yeah, I don't see him as the best 8 in the world
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2021:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
Colour me massively underwhelmed. I am convinced the vast majority of people only watch youtube highlights of games given the absolutely shit takes i constantly see.
I'd happily have him in my AB squad. Great off the bench- and can play a role in a loose forward trio that's right for him at the very top level. That's just not our loosies right now (combined with obstinate coaching)
but yeah, I don't see him as the best 8 in the world
some fucking UK rugby rag has him as the 2nd best player in teh world
i must be watching different games to everyone else, i have to be
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2021:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
Colour me massively underwhelmed. I am convinced the vast majority of people only watch youtube highlights of games given the absolutely shit takes i constantly see.
I'd happily have him in my AB squad. Great off the bench- and can play a role in a loose forward trio that's right for him at the very top level. That's just not our loosies right now (combined with obstinate coaching)
but yeah, I don't see him as the best 8 in the world
some fucking UK rugby rag has him as the 2nd best player in teh world
i must be watching different games to everyone else, i have to be
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2021:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
Colour me massively underwhelmed. I am convinced the vast majority of people only watch youtube highlights of games given the absolutely shit takes i constantly see.
I'd happily have him in my AB squad. Great off the bench- and can play a role in a loose forward trio that's right for him at the very top level. That's just not our loosies right now (combined with obstinate coaching)
but yeah, I don't see him as the best 8 in the world
some fucking UK rugby rag has him as the 2nd best player in teh world
i must be watching different games to everyone else, i have to be
but the highlights reel!
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Back row in particular can't work in isolation ie, the three need to be complimentary. Put a Cane/Papali'i and then a Kaino type 6 with Savea and my bet is there would be no arguments about Savea's merits.
I've come to the conclusion Savea and Akira can't play in the same backrow, puts too much pressure on our openside to do the grunt work
