All Blacks v France
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Personally I think it's pretty clear McKenzie is our best 10, and our best 15.
I guess he's probably our best 23 too Razor, but that doesn't mean you should pick him there you fucking dullard.@reprobate said in All Blacks v France:
Personally I think it's pretty clear McKenzie is our best 10, and our best 15.
I guess he's probably our best 23 too Razor, but that doesn't mean you should pick him there you fucking dullard.Dullard is apt. Who else subs out two players who were among the best on show last week to rush back two players who missed the week before in concussion protocol? Honestly, Jesus fucking wept
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I think it's time for the Barrett brothers gimmick to be put to bed. Scott isn't the answer at captain, Beauden is out of date by a couple of seasons and Jordie barely gets a pass mark.
The 3 points with 5 to go is a pathetic call.
Also, anybody know what Havilli has added to this tour? Instagram shows me he's doing nothing but playing golf? Probably best, if he were playing he'd be throwing intercept passes.
@Halfback said in All Blacks v France:
Scott isn't the answer at captain, Beauden is out of date by a couple of seasons and Jordie barely gets a pass mark
I think Scooter has been OK as captain in his first season. Seems to be managing the Refs better than most and his general play hasn't suffered.
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Is it just me, or has Jordan lost pace? Clarke looks like our fastest outside back by a mile
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@DMX said in All Blacks v France:
Problem I have with Razor is many of his selections and tactics seemed like he was just trying not to lose, meanwhile we lost a lot of games we could have won anyway so that experience did not help us. Let’s be real he should have been working on replacements for Reiko , ALB, Reece, Beaudie for months.
I agree that he's shown too much favour to some guys who either aren't up to it or won't make the next Cup. Maybe he wanted a transition year. Well he's had that now, time to move a bunch of guys out and run the rule over their potential replacements
@canefan said in All Blacks v France:
@DMX said in All Blacks v France:
Problem I have with Razor is many of his selections and tactics seemed like he was just trying not to lose, meanwhile we lost a lot of games we could have won anyway so that experience did not help us. Let’s be real he should have been working on replacements for Reiko , ALB, Reece, Beaudie for months.
Maybe he wanted a transition year. Well he's had that now, time to move a bunch of guys out and run the rule over their potential replacements
I get he wanted BB etc for continuity.and wanted a few Tests and the RC to get his feet under the table. That's sensible.
But I'd have preferred he rolled the dice a bit more and his 1st season was the ideal time to do this. There's been a host of selection successes though - they may have come from injury but are still successes..
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@canefan said in All Blacks v France:
Is it just me, or has Jordan lost pace? Clarke looks like our fastest outside back by a mile
The general lack of top-end speed from our Back Three is a worry.
@sparky said in All Blacks v France:
@canefan said in All Blacks v France:
Is it just me, or has Jordan lost pace? Clarke looks like our fastest outside back by a mile
The general lack of top-end speed from our Back Three is a worry.
Jordan has that knack of ghosting into gaps. And Telea has that Corey Jane-esque balance and nice fend. Clarke is all power. But yes, no rocket man style gas
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@Bones said in All Blacks v France:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v France:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v France:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v France:
Increasingly noticeable for me how 10 and 15 aren't prepared in Super rugby in certain areas for the international level, such as kicking.
How was Beaudens super form? Even if he were learning those skills at international level he has enough caps to have nailed them.
McKenzie kicks often and long for the Chiefs, with Stevenson doing the same.Why are you mentioning Stevenson? Merhtens looks like Collins compared to Stevenson. In an era of "both sides of the ball" he's absent half the time.
Because it was a reply to a post about super rugby 10s and 15s kicking.
Why are you talking about both sides of the ball when kicking it means having it?Because that's the stated criteria for selection. So anyone with a booming boot who is a turnstile isn't likely to get a call up.
So going off those stats, does that mean Love is excluded?
If we believe them. I've seen enough of Stevenson to form an opinion on his defensive attributes. I'll watch Love more closely next year and if he's much the same no one should be in any doubt I'll call a spade a spade.
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France:
@Bones said in All Blacks v France:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v France:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v France:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v France:
Increasingly noticeable for me how 10 and 15 aren't prepared in Super rugby in certain areas for the international level, such as kicking.
How was Beaudens super form? Even if he were learning those skills at international level he has enough caps to have nailed them.
McKenzie kicks often and long for the Chiefs, with Stevenson doing the same.Why are you mentioning Stevenson? Merhtens looks like Collins compared to Stevenson. In an era of "both sides of the ball" he's absent half the time.
Because it was a reply to a post about super rugby 10s and 15s kicking.
Why are you talking about both sides of the ball when kicking it means having it?Because that's the stated criteria for selection. So anyone with a booming boot who is a turnstile isn't likely to get a call up.
So going off those stats, does that mean Love is excluded?
If we believe them. I've seen enough of Stevenson to form an opinion on his defensive attributes. I'll watch Love more closely next year and if he's much the same no one should be in any doubt I'll call a spade a spade.
I think you're overegging it. Dagg was no better as a defender and he had a 66 test career due to his aerial dominance, booming boot, playmaker ability and running game. Stevenson has similar strengths.
Dagg played when the ABs at win percentage in the high 80s and early 90s. He was also an important part of an RWC winning campaign. Obviously his turnstile defense didn't prevent the ABs from winning.
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That intercept try was a coach killer. Whoever it was who failed to take the ball to ground to allow his forwards to recycle hurt our chances to win that game big time
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v France:
@Bones said in All Blacks v France:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v France:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v France:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v France:
Increasingly noticeable for me how 10 and 15 aren't prepared in Super rugby in certain areas for the international level, such as kicking.
How was Beaudens super form? Even if he were learning those skills at international level he has enough caps to have nailed them.
McKenzie kicks often and long for the Chiefs, with Stevenson doing the same.Why are you mentioning Stevenson? Merhtens looks like Collins compared to Stevenson. In an era of "both sides of the ball" he's absent half the time.
Because it was a reply to a post about super rugby 10s and 15s kicking.
Why are you talking about both sides of the ball when kicking it means having it?Because that's the stated criteria for selection. So anyone with a booming boot who is a turnstile isn't likely to get a call up.
So going off those stats, does that mean Love is excluded?
If we believe them. I've seen enough of Stevenson to form an opinion on his defensive attributes. I'll watch Love more closely next year and if he's much the same no one should be in any doubt I'll call a spade a spade.
I think you're overegging it. Dagg was no better as a defender and he had a 66 test career due to his aerial dominance, booming boot, playmaker ability and running game. Stevenson has similar strengths.
Dagg played when the ABs at win percentage in the high 80s and early 90s. He was also an important part of an RWC winning campaign. Obviously his turnstile defense didn't prevent the ABs from winning.
@brodean said in All Blacks v France:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France:
@Bones said in All Blacks v France:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v France:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v France:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v France:
Increasingly noticeable for me how 10 and 15 aren't prepared in Super rugby in certain areas for the international level, such as kicking.
How was Beaudens super form? Even if he were learning those skills at international level he has enough caps to have nailed them.
McKenzie kicks often and long for the Chiefs, with Stevenson doing the same.Why are you mentioning Stevenson? Merhtens looks like Collins compared to Stevenson. In an era of "both sides of the ball" he's absent half the time.
Because it was a reply to a post about super rugby 10s and 15s kicking.
Why are you talking about both sides of the ball when kicking it means having it?Because that's the stated criteria for selection. So anyone with a booming boot who is a turnstile isn't likely to get a call up.
So going off those stats, does that mean Love is excluded?
If we believe them. I've seen enough of Stevenson to form an opinion on his defensive attributes. I'll watch Love more closely next year and if he's much the same no one should be in any doubt I'll call a spade a spade.
I think you're overegging it. Dagg was no better as a defender
Fucking nonsense.
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@SBW1 said in All Blacks v France:
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/all-blacks-player-ratings-vs-france-autumn-nations-series-2/
What a complete load of shit those ratings are who is the idiot who know's nothing about rugby, player performance or just general common sense wrote that dribble.
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@brodean said in All Blacks v France:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France:
@Bones said in All Blacks v France:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v France:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v France:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v France:
Increasingly noticeable for me how 10 and 15 aren't prepared in Super rugby in certain areas for the international level, such as kicking.
How was Beaudens super form? Even if he were learning those skills at international level he has enough caps to have nailed them.
McKenzie kicks often and long for the Chiefs, with Stevenson doing the same.Why are you mentioning Stevenson? Merhtens looks like Collins compared to Stevenson. In an era of "both sides of the ball" he's absent half the time.
Because it was a reply to a post about super rugby 10s and 15s kicking.
Why are you talking about both sides of the ball when kicking it means having it?Because that's the stated criteria for selection. So anyone with a booming boot who is a turnstile isn't likely to get a call up.
So going off those stats, does that mean Love is excluded?
If we believe them. I've seen enough of Stevenson to form an opinion on his defensive attributes. I'll watch Love more closely next year and if he's much the same no one should be in any doubt I'll call a spade a spade.
I think you're overegging it. Dagg was no better as a defender
Fucking nonsense.
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France:
@brodean said in All Blacks v France:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France:
@Bones said in All Blacks v France:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v France:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v France:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v France:
Increasingly noticeable for me how 10 and 15 aren't prepared in Super rugby in certain areas for the international level, such as kicking.
How was Beaudens super form? Even if he were learning those skills at international level he has enough caps to have nailed them.
McKenzie kicks often and long for the Chiefs, with Stevenson doing the same.Why are you mentioning Stevenson? Merhtens looks like Collins compared to Stevenson. In an era of "both sides of the ball" he's absent half the time.
Because it was a reply to a post about super rugby 10s and 15s kicking.
Why are you talking about both sides of the ball when kicking it means having it?Because that's the stated criteria for selection. So anyone with a booming boot who is a turnstile isn't likely to get a call up.
So going off those stats, does that mean Love is excluded?
If we believe them. I've seen enough of Stevenson to form an opinion on his defensive attributes. I'll watch Love more closely next year and if he's much the same no one should be in any doubt I'll call a spade a spade.
I think you're overegging it. Dagg was no better as a defender
Fucking nonsense.
"Daggs defence questioned"
An actual headline when Dagg was playing
https://www.scribd.com/document/218948188/Dagg-s-defence-questioned-The-Star-April-2-2014
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@kpkanz said in All Blacks v France:
We win that game with Dmac starting, would have been up by 30 first half when we had the momentum. Fukn dumb selections cost us the game.
And then we take off Roigard 50th min for some dumb reason.
The way that first half played out I agree, the way DMac plays we would have made a lot more of our possession
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France:
@kpkanz said in All Blacks v France:
We win that game with Dmac starting, would have been up by 30 first half when we had the momentum. Fukn dumb selections cost us the game.
And then we take off Roigard 50th min for some dumb reason.
The way that first half played out I agree, the way DMac plays we would have made a lot more of our possession
What was evident today is that our game plan and ability to score points when on top depends heavily on the quickness of DMac's pass.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France:
@kpkanz said in All Blacks v France:
We win that game with Dmac starting, would have been up by 30 first half when we had the momentum. Fukn dumb selections cost us the game.
And then we take off Roigard 50th min for some dumb reason.
The way that first half played out I agree, the way DMac plays we would have made a lot more of our possession
What was evident today is that our game plan and ability to score points when on top depends heavily on the quickness of DMac's pass.
@junior said in All Blacks v France:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France:
@kpkanz said in All Blacks v France:
We win that game with Dmac starting, would have been up by 30 first half when we had the momentum. Fukn dumb selections cost us the game.
And then we take off Roigard 50th min for some dumb reason.
The way that first half played out I agree, the way DMac plays we would have made a lot more of our possession
What was evident today is that our game plan and ability to score points when on top depends heavily on the quickness of DMac's pass.
We built our lead on the back of continuity and a direct, forward orientated game plan. In the third quarter we moved away from that plan and tried to play wider without doing the hard work, and that allowed the French back in
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@brodean said in All Blacks v France:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v France:
Weird that I'm not as upset as I should be with this loss.
Rightly or wrongly we just don't have the same expectations for the ABs
There's a difference to the way we lost compared to the last regime.
Look at the stats. We completely dominated, even some of the french in the forums are saying the same thing.
We should have finished this game in the first half (would have with Dmac).
21-3 would have been a fair reflection.
Let's not compare to the previous 4 years where against the big teams we were a genuine DISTANT second each time and looked like we needed them to capitulate for us to have a chance.
We lost both our last two French games before this by 14.
Today we were up 14-3 and comfortable and just blew it.
@kpkanz said in All Blacks v France:
Today we were up 14-3 and comfortable and just blew it.
Agreed. We fell apart in the later stages of the game. Quelle surprise.
It doesn't matter that we lost differently to the last 4 years, completely dominated or were comfortably up 14-3 at half-time. We still lost when we should have won.
It's the same poor game management and inability to remain cool and reassert control under pressure we've seen for the last 6-7 years. Today was pretty much a repeat of Bled 1 this year, Twickenham in '22 and much of Lions 2017.
I really thought a corner had been turned last week but we regressed - again. Maybe it's time to ditch the older players/make a fresh start with a new management group inc. the likes of Vaa'i, Sititi etc.
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Ethan DeGroot probably glad he missed that meeting today. He'd have been blowing out his arse in that game of bull rush.
@Jet said in All Blacks v France:
Ethan DeGroot probably glad he missed that meeting today. He'd have been blowing out his arse in that game of bull rush.
I think he has some serious work to do to regain his starting spot
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@LagerLout said in All Blacks v France:
We are miles off being a good team, personnel wise and strategy wise. We were bloody slow to the ruck in the second half. Our wingers are bollock slow. The only places we look dangerous are in in the starting front and back rows, the rest of it we are struggling. Feels like a bleak WC cycle to me. We had so much talent and where is it now.
I have pretty much the completely opposite view. NZ lost to one of the top four teams in the world at their fortress (and it is a fortress, the loudest and most partisan atmosphere you'll get at any ground around the world).
NZ have a great front row with Samisoni Taukei'aho still to return, some very good young loose forwards, two very promising halfbacks in Roigard and Ratima.
There are a few issues across the line-up but Razor will probably push the boat out a little more next year. There's a few pieces of deadweight that probably need to be moved on but already Cane and Perenara will be gone next year, Reece has probably played his last game in black, and there are a few more players who will be under a lot of pressure. It bodes well for the future, even if they didn't always get the biscuits this year.
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks v France:
@LagerLout said in All Blacks v France:
We are miles off being a good team, personnel wise and strategy wise. We were bloody slow to the ruck in the second half. Our wingers are bollock slow. The only places we look dangerous are in in the starting front and back rows, the rest of it we are struggling. Feels like a bleak WC cycle to me. We had so much talent and where is it now.
I have pretty much the completely opposite view. NZ lost to one of the top four teams in the world at their fortress (and it is a fortress, the loudest and most partisan atmosphere you'll get at any ground around the world).
NZ have a great front row with Samisoni Taukei'aho still to return, some very good young loose forwards, two very promising halfbacks in Roigard and Ratima.
There are a few issues across the line-up but Razor will probably push the boat out a little more next year. There's a few pieces of deadweight that probably need to be moved on but already Cane and Perenara will be gone next year, Reece has probably played his last game in black, and there are a few more players who will be under a lot of pressure. It bodes well for the future, even if they didn't always get the biscuits this year.
Bolded bit - agree with this a lot but I am not sure that we are playing to this area of strength. We are still trying to play the game like we have the world's best midfield and back 3, and a relatively weak but mobile pack, which we clearly do not.
If Razor has half a brain, over the next 3 years, we will become much more a 10 man rugby team, that scores tries off mauls, close in running and chaos ball counter attacks.
