Boks v Wobblies I
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If your a Boks fan I don't think you should be that disconsolate. On rewatching the game, they had the game on their racquet but were undone by a series of poor tactical decisions and more importantly skill errors.
Plenty of times in the second half they rumbled down the field pretty easily, only to have a relatively soft knock-on kill their attack. And we ran a couple of those errors (or poorly timed passes) back for tries, so doubly hurtful.
I don't think they will win the next game by 50, but they would still be entitled to start as relatively healthy favourites. Especially if they look at 9-10 and maybe tighten the game plan a bit. Libbok reminded me a bit of Quade Cooper circa 2010 - occasional attacking brilliance overshadowed by poor defence and 2-3 complete brain explosions per game.
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@Frank said in Boks v Wobblies I:
I thought Sacha Feinberg-Mngomezulu was their number one flyhalf.
Why wasn't he played last week?Because their supercoach has created astonishing depth.
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@NTA said in Boks v Wobblies I:
Not sure why the Boks decided to play touch footy instead of just bashing us.
Next week is going to be wayyyyy different
It's going to be "back to our DNA " comments all week I'd imagine. You know how they are going to play, but can it be countered?
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Just read they should call Schmidt, "Pavlova", cos you know the Aussies are going to claim him.
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@antipodean said in Boks v Wobblies I:
@Frank said in Boks v Wobblies I:
I thought Sacha Feinberg-Mngomezulu was their number one flyhalf.
Why wasn't he played last week?Because their supercoach has created astonishing depth.
I am wondering if their depth, outside of a few, is anything more than a heap of reasonable Super level players.
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@Frank said in Boks v Wobblies I:
@antipodean said in Boks v Wobblies I:
@Frank said in Boks v Wobblies I:
I thought Sacha Feinberg-Mngomezulu was their number one flyhalf.
Why wasn't he played last week?Because their supercoach has created astonishing depth.
I am wondering if their depth, outside of a few, is anything more than a heap of reasonable Super level players.
Libbok's performance alone looked like a 10 playing dirty thirds. Some good stuff, followed by brain farts and dreadful passes.
That may be his worst ever game - I don't know - but there's no way that was Test standard for a Springbok team. Now in the recent modern era even All Blacks have been given another opportunity to "flush the dunny" but I don't subscribe to that. To enforce standards they should be holding tackle bags until they demonstrate they're worthy of another chance.
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A visual of the commentary of Wright's try
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@KiwiMurph said in Boks v Wobblies I:
@Dodge said in Boks v Wobblies I:
Only watched the highlights but just saw a tweet, did the Boks really do the midfield lineout with 8 mins to go whilst 11 points behind?!
What am I missing here ..... I also only saw the highlights.
A midfield line out?
EDIT. Oh, I see now. Not a lineout, but during general play they do a line out move.
A Rassie special?
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@MajorRage said in Boks v Wobblies I:
@KiwiMurph said in Boks v Wobblies I:
@Dodge said in Boks v Wobblies I:
Only watched the highlights but just saw a tweet, did the Boks really do the midfield lineout with 8 mins to go whilst 11 points behind?!
What am I missing here ..... I also only saw the highlights.
A midfield line out?
EDIT. Oh, I see now. Not a lineout, but during general play they do a line out move.
A Rassie special?
They did it in the earlier tests this year - but it's one thing to do it for shits and giggles when you are playing Italy B and Georgia - it's another when you are down double digits with under 10 minutes left after blowing a 22-0 lead at home
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@Kirwan said in Boks v Wobblies I:
Interesting, might explain out midget loosies. Still think it will bite us in the arse when a team slows the game down. 2003 all over again.
BOK as a ref was especially keen on keeping the game moving at Super level this year (even more extreme than the average) - that wouldn't have hurt the Wallabies on the weekend.
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@antipodean said in Boks v Wobblies I:
I can't remember a worse five-eighth performance. Libbok was dreadful.
I can.
Pat Howard (aged 19 and one year out from being in a team coached by his mum) for the Wallabies against the All Blacks in Carrisbrook in 1993.
With his first touch of the ball, he stepped back into a channel where Michael Jones and Frank Bunce were waiting with very predictable results.
One of the Aussie Props (Ewan McKenzie?) wandered up to him as he was getting up from the floor, "don't do that again, kid."
It didn't get much better.
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@African-Monkey said in Boks v Wobblies I:
@NTA said in Boks v Wobblies I:
@sparky said in Boks v Wobblies I:
Sean Maloney sounding like he's ejaculating.
Big Seanny is an absolute top bloke and an absolute Rugby nuffy.
He's played various levels in Sydney and knows the landscape here very well - the good, bad, and ugly.
He's a champion for the game here and his love of the game is unparalleled.
Yeah don't mind him personally. Gets excited in the commentary box during games, nothing wrong with that.
Oz commentary has improved hugely in the last few years. Really Morgan Turanui and Justin Harrison.
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@sparky 4 things I noticed watching the first half.
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Bunce was a fun defender at 13
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AB lineout wasn’t particularly good. Thank god lifting was legalised
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John Timu had a siege gun boot at 15
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Grant Fox is overrated
. He was diabolically bad in the first 40 mins, aside from his up and unders (which were v good) and of course his place kicking. Tactical kicking was poor, option taking poor. Ability to release his backline? Not so much.
As it goes, the current day ABs would do well to mimic the 93 side in picking a defensively sound, kick chasing, functional backline with the ability to crank up the pressure on their opposites. It would allow the superstars up front to use their talents better
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@sparky said in Boks v Wobblies I:
@antipodean said in Boks v Wobblies I:
I can't remember a worse five-eighth performance. Libbok was dreadful.
I can.
Pat Howard (aged 19 and one year out from being in a team coached by his mum) for the Wallabies against the All Blacks in Carrisbrook in 1993.
With his first touch of the ball, he stepped back into a channel where Michael Jones and Frank Bunce were waiting with very predictable results.
One of the Aussie Props (Ewan McKenzie?) wandered up to him as he was getting up from the floor, "don't do that again, kid."
It didn't get much better.
I was there that day. The terrace gave him heaps all afternoon. Poor bastard couldn't do a thing right
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@stodders said in Boks v Wobblies I:
@sparky Grant Fox is overrated
.Nah, that was Fox in his twilight. He played that game and a Test against Western Samoa before retiring.
In the Test before, he'd kicked brilliantly and been the calm director in a decider test win against the BILs at Eden Park. He hit a cool as you like goal from 50 metres out at Lancaster Park to win Test One.
He was very, very different indeed to the "run and gun" First Fives we've largely had post Carter. And he didn't tackle much.
But his reading of the game, his vision, was very, very special. So was his ability to impose his will on proceedings.
At his best, in 1987-9, and behind the dominant pack we had at the time his passing was outstanding. Some of great miss-out passes for Joe Stanley, Terry Wright or John Kirwan to run on to were poetry.
Most of all, he was a winner. He fucking hated losing. At one stage during the eras of great All Blacks and Auckland dominance in the late eighties he went more than four years without losing.
Apart from Dan Carter, I'd say he's the best All Black First Five I've seen.
