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    @Jet said in All Blacks 2025:

    Nov 29, 2017

    Watch Sam Cane - Defensive Highlights (Wales vs. All Blacks) | Streamable

    Watch Sam Cane - Defensive Highlights (Wales vs. All Blacks) | Streamable

    Watch "Sam Cane - Defensive Highlights (Wales vs. All Blacks)" on Streamable.

    Where has this sort of starch gone?

    Look at Cane in that third video compared to what we get from Ardie in the 7 shirt.

    First one gets looked at by the TMO about 10k times. Far too upright and asking for trouble.

    Third one by Cane is now an illegal seatbelt tackle, so likely gets a penalty and given the area on the pitch a possible YC.

    The second one was a brilliant tackle.

    I get that you want to bring some starch back Jet, but it has to be within the constraints of how today's game is reffed. I'm sure I have seen you call into question the intelligence of some players for getting YCs and RCs. Why would you advocate these types of tackle that run the risk of the team playing 10-20 mins down a player?

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    @stodders said in All Blacks 2025:

    @Jet said in All Blacks 2025:

    Nov 29, 2017

    Watch Sam Cane - Defensive Highlights (Wales vs. All Blacks) | Streamable

    Watch Sam Cane - Defensive Highlights (Wales vs. All Blacks) | Streamable

    Watch "Sam Cane - Defensive Highlights (Wales vs. All Blacks)" on Streamable.

    Where has this sort of starch gone?

    Look at Cane in that third video compared to what we get from Ardie in the 7 shirt.

    First one gets looked at by the TMO about 10k times. Far too upright and asking for trouble.

    Third one by Cane is now an illegal seatbelt tackle, so likely gets a penalty and given the area on the pitch a possible YC.

    The second one was a brilliant tackle.

    I get that you want to bring some starch back Jet, but it has to be within the constraints of how today's game is reffed. I'm sure I have seen you call into question the intelligence of some players for getting YCs and RCs. Why would you advocate these types of tackle that run the risk of the team playing 10-20 mins down a player?

    Not to mention that Cane got sent off in the RWC final for a high shot

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    Any news on Ofa Tu'ungufasi's neck?

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    @stodders said in All Blacks 2025:

    @Jet said in All Blacks 2025:

    Nov 29, 2017

    Watch Sam Cane - Defensive Highlights (Wales vs. All Blacks) | Streamable

    Watch Sam Cane - Defensive Highlights (Wales vs. All Blacks) | Streamable

    Watch "Sam Cane - Defensive Highlights (Wales vs. All Blacks)" on Streamable.

    Where has this sort of starch gone?

    Look at Cane in that third video compared to what we get from Ardie in the 7 shirt.

    First one gets looked at by the TMO about 10k times. Far too upright and asking for trouble.

    Third one by Cane is now an illegal seatbelt tackle, so likely gets a penalty and given the area on the pitch a possible YC.

    The second one was a brilliant tackle.

    I get that you want to bring some starch back Jet, but it has to be within the constraints of how today's game is reffed. I'm sure I have seen you call into question the intelligence of some players for getting YCs and RCs. Why would you advocate these types of tackle that run the risk of the team playing 10-20 mins down a player?

    I take your point but surely there is a middle ground between what we are getting from Ardie and what we got from Cane in that video?

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    Ardies highlight real is all ball in hand.

    We dont have any iconic tackles from him like Read on Vermuelen, Collins on Chabal, Kaino on Bradley Davies etc

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    @Jet said in All Blacks 2025:

    Ardies highlight real is all ball in hand.

    We dont have any iconic tackles from him like Read on Vermuelen, Collins on Chabal, Kaino on Bradley Davies etc

    Given Ardie is a 7, I don't see him in the enforcer role. I think the ABs have tried to change their tackling approach given how many cards they have picked up in the last few years for poor tackling technique. It has led to a more soaking style approach. This isn't necessarily a bad thing if the players are switched on to compete for the ball and jackal. Sometimes they are (see Eden Park), sometimes they aren't (see Cake Tin).

    Notice in your list above you don't mention McCaw 😉

    I don't think dominant tackles is necessarily the issue. The ABs lack real ball carriers. Someone to punch holes and bend the defensive line. All of Read, Collins and Kaino could hit a ball up with venom. Who are the bruising ball carriers in the AB team right now that teams need to commit a couple of tacklers in order to subdue?

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    @stodders said in All Blacks 2025:

    I don't think dominant tackles is necessarily the issue. The ABs lack real ball carriers. Someone to punch holes and bend the defensive line. All of Read, Collins and Kaino could hit a ball up with venom. Who are the bruising ball carriers in the AB team right now that teams need to commit a couple of tacklers in order to subdue?

    Sami? Sititi last year. Clarke if he is selected. His knees are weapons.

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    @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:

    @stodders said in All Blacks 2025:

    I don't think dominant tackles is necessarily the issue. The ABs lack real ball carriers. Someone to punch holes and bend the defensive line. All of Read, Collins and Kaino could hit a ball up with venom. Who are the bruising ball carriers in the AB team right now that teams need to commit a couple of tacklers in order to subdue?

    Sami? Sititi last year. Clarke if he is selected. His knees are weapons.

    Samisoni is one, though he hasn't been as explosive so far this year.

    Sititi uses his footwork more than his brawn to breach the gain line.

    Clarke is a good strike weapon, granted.

    Is that it? Va'ai is lightweight as a carrier, Holland has potential, Patty T is missed, T Williams when on form can carry, as can Tosi. Jordie Barrett shows glimpses of it, but it isn't his strength. Ioane can carry well at 13. That is not enough IMO.

    To compare, Boks have the following ball carriers in their team: Marx, Etzebeth/de Jager/Snyman, Kolisi, PSDT, Wiese, DDA/Esterhuizen, Hooker.

    I know ABs play a different kind of game, but if you allow a team with that many ball carriers possession and momentum, you're going to be battered into submission.

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    @stodders said in All Blacks 2025:

    @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:

    @stodders said in All Blacks 2025:

    I don't think dominant tackles is necessarily the issue. The ABs lack real ball carriers. Someone to punch holes and bend the defensive line. All of Read, Collins and Kaino could hit a ball up with venom. Who are the bruising ball carriers in the AB team right now that teams need to commit a couple of tacklers in order to subdue?

    Sami? Sititi last year. Clarke if he is selected. His knees are weapons.

    Samisoni is one, though he hasn't been as explosive so far this year.

    Sititi uses his footwork more than his brawn to breach the gain line.

    Clarke is a good strike weapon, granted.

    Is that it? Va'ai is lightweight as a carrier, Holland has potential, Patty T is missed, T Williams when on form can carry, as can Tosi. Jordie Barrett shows glimpses of it, but it isn't his strength. Ioane can carry well at 13. That is not enough IMO.

    To compare, Boks have the following ball carriers in their team: Marx, Etzebeth/de Jager/Snyman, Kolisi, PSDT, Wiese, DDA/Esterhuizen, Hooker.

    I know ABs play a different kind of game, but if you allow a team with that many ball carriers possession and momentum, you're going to be battered into submission.

    @stodders said in All Blacks 2025:

    @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:

    @stodders said in All Blacks 2025:

    I don't think dominant tackles is necessarily the issue. The ABs lack real ball carriers. Someone to punch holes and bend the defensive line. All of Read, Collins and Kaino could hit a ball up with venom. Who are the bruising ball carriers in the AB team right now that teams need to commit a couple of tacklers in order to subdue?

    Sami? Sititi last year. Clarke if he is selected. His knees are weapons.

    Samisoni is one, though he hasn't been as explosive so far this year.

    Sititi uses his footwork more than his brawn to breach the gain line.

    Clarke is a good strike weapon, granted.

    Is that it? Va'ai is lightweight as a carrier, Holland has potential, Patty T is missed, T Williams when on form can carry, as can Tosi. Jordie Barrett shows glimpses of it, but it isn't his strength. Ioane can carry well at 13. That is not enough IMO.

    To compare, Boks have the following ball carriers in their team: Marx, Etzebeth/de Jager/Snyman, Kolisi, PSDT, Wiese, DDA/Esterhuizen, Hooker.

    I know ABs play a different kind of game, but if you allow a team with that many ball carriers possession and momentum, you're going to be battered into submission.

    Because we’re not selecting the larger enforcer type players.

    Going off super rugby page stats, so give it take a kilo or two and a cm or two:
    Height wise: only two of the in the top 10 tallest loose forwards have been selected (Va’ai and Parker, take out Va’ai, it’s one).

    Weight wise: three - Va’ai, Parker, Finau (and Finau is actually on the shorter side

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    @sparky said in All Blacks 2025:

    Why the flying fuck do they persist with Beauden Barrett at First Five?

    His game management is atrocious these days.

    BB was actually quite good in first 60. But we need a closer rather than a joker for the difficult games.

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    @stodders said in All Blacks 2025:

    Maro Itoje

    I'd probably pick him in the ABs.

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    @Jet we also dont have someone like Smith to get in and clear the ball quickly over and over, he was.crucial to that passage.

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    @jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:

    @stodders said in All Blacks 2025:

    @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:

    @stodders said in All Blacks 2025:

    I don't think dominant tackles is necessarily the issue. The ABs lack real ball carriers. Someone to punch holes and bend the defensive line. All of Read, Collins and Kaino could hit a ball up with venom. Who are the bruising ball carriers in the AB team right now that teams need to commit a couple of tacklers in order to subdue?

    Sami? Sititi last year. Clarke if he is selected. His knees are weapons.

    Samisoni is one, though he hasn't been as explosive so far this year.

    Sititi uses his footwork more than his brawn to breach the gain line.

    Clarke is a good strike weapon, granted.

    Is that it? Va'ai is lightweight as a carrier, Holland has potential, Patty T is missed, T Williams when on form can carry, as can Tosi. Jordie Barrett shows glimpses of it, but it isn't his strength. Ioane can carry well at 13. That is not enough IMO.

    To compare, Boks have the following ball carriers in their team: Marx, Etzebeth/de Jager/Snyman, Kolisi, PSDT, Wiese, DDA/Esterhuizen, Hooker.

    I know ABs play a different kind of game, but if you allow a team with that many ball carriers possession and momentum, you're going to be battered into submission.

    @stodders said in All Blacks 2025:

    @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:

    @stodders said in All Blacks 2025:

    I don't think dominant tackles is necessarily the issue. The ABs lack real ball carriers. Someone to punch holes and bend the defensive line. All of Read, Collins and Kaino could hit a ball up with venom. Who are the bruising ball carriers in the AB team right now that teams need to commit a couple of tacklers in order to subdue?

    Sami? Sititi last year. Clarke if he is selected. His knees are weapons.

    Samisoni is one, though he hasn't been as explosive so far this year.

    Sititi uses his footwork more than his brawn to breach the gain line.

    Clarke is a good strike weapon, granted.

    Is that it? Va'ai is lightweight as a carrier, Holland has potential, Patty T is missed, T Williams when on form can carry, as can Tosi. Jordie Barrett shows glimpses of it, but it isn't his strength. Ioane can carry well at 13. That is not enough IMO.

    To compare, Boks have the following ball carriers in their team: Marx, Etzebeth/de Jager/Snyman, Kolisi, PSDT, Wiese, DDA/Esterhuizen, Hooker.

    I know ABs play a different kind of game, but if you allow a team with that many ball carriers possession and momentum, you're going to be battered into submission.

    Because we’re not selecting the larger enforcer type players.

    Going off super rugby page stats, so give it take a kilo or two and a cm or two:
    Height wise: only two of the in the top 10 tallest loose forwards have been selected (Va’ai and Parker, take out Va’ai, it’s one).

    Weight wise: three - Va’ai, Parker, Finau (and Finau is actually on the shorter side

    can you list the 10 tallest
    finau is 1.97 so wouldnt call him on shorter side.
    im all for picking bigger loose forwards

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    @ploughboy said in All Blacks 2025:

    @jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:

    @stodders said in All Blacks 2025:

    @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:

    @stodders said in All Blacks 2025:

    I don't think dominant tackles is necessarily the issue. The ABs lack real ball carriers. Someone to punch holes and bend the defensive line. All of Read, Collins and Kaino could hit a ball up with venom. Who are the bruising ball carriers in the AB team right now that teams need to commit a couple of tacklers in order to subdue?

    Sami? Sititi last year. Clarke if he is selected. His knees are weapons.

    Samisoni is one, though he hasn't been as explosive so far this year.

    Sititi uses his footwork more than his brawn to breach the gain line.

    Clarke is a good strike weapon, granted.

    Is that it? Va'ai is lightweight as a carrier, Holland has potential, Patty T is missed, T Williams when on form can carry, as can Tosi. Jordie Barrett shows glimpses of it, but it isn't his strength. Ioane can carry well at 13. That is not enough IMO.

    To compare, Boks have the following ball carriers in their team: Marx, Etzebeth/de Jager/Snyman, Kolisi, PSDT, Wiese, DDA/Esterhuizen, Hooker.

    I know ABs play a different kind of game, but if you allow a team with that many ball carriers possession and momentum, you're going to be battered into submission.

    @stodders said in All Blacks 2025:

    @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:

    @stodders said in All Blacks 2025:

    I don't think dominant tackles is necessarily the issue. The ABs lack real ball carriers. Someone to punch holes and bend the defensive line. All of Read, Collins and Kaino could hit a ball up with venom. Who are the bruising ball carriers in the AB team right now that teams need to commit a couple of tacklers in order to subdue?

    Sami? Sititi last year. Clarke if he is selected. His knees are weapons.

    Samisoni is one, though he hasn't been as explosive so far this year.

    Sititi uses his footwork more than his brawn to breach the gain line.

    Clarke is a good strike weapon, granted.

    Is that it? Va'ai is lightweight as a carrier, Holland has potential, Patty T is missed, T Williams when on form can carry, as can Tosi. Jordie Barrett shows glimpses of it, but it isn't his strength. Ioane can carry well at 13. That is not enough IMO.

    To compare, Boks have the following ball carriers in their team: Marx, Etzebeth/de Jager/Snyman, Kolisi, PSDT, Wiese, DDA/Esterhuizen, Hooker.

    I know ABs play a different kind of game, but if you allow a team with that many ball carriers possession and momentum, you're going to be battered into submission.

    Because we’re not selecting the larger enforcer type players.

    Going off super rugby page stats, so give it take a kilo or two and a cm or two:
    Height wise: only two of the in the top 10 tallest loose forwards have been selected (Va’ai and Parker, take out Va’ai, it’s one).

    Weight wise: three - Va’ai, Parker, Finau (and Finau is actually on the shorter side

    can you list the 10 tallest
    finau is 1.97 so wouldnt call him on shorter side.
    im all for picking bigger loose forwards

    @ploughboy said in All Blacks 2025:

    @jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:

    @stodders said in All Blacks 2025:

    @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:

    @stodders said in All Blacks 2025:

    I don't think dominant tackles is necessarily the issue. The ABs lack real ball carriers. Someone to punch holes and bend the defensive line. All of Read, Collins and Kaino could hit a ball up with venom. Who are the bruising ball carriers in the AB team right now that teams need to commit a couple of tacklers in order to subdue?

    Sami? Sititi last year. Clarke if he is selected. His knees are weapons.

    Samisoni is one, though he hasn't been as explosive so far this year.

    Sititi uses his footwork more than his brawn to breach the gain line.

    Clarke is a good strike weapon, granted.

    Is that it? Va'ai is lightweight as a carrier, Holland has potential, Patty T is missed, T Williams when on form can carry, as can Tosi. Jordie Barrett shows glimpses of it, but it isn't his strength. Ioane can carry well at 13. That is not enough IMO.

    To compare, Boks have the following ball carriers in their team: Marx, Etzebeth/de Jager/Snyman, Kolisi, PSDT, Wiese, DDA/Esterhuizen, Hooker.

    I know ABs play a different kind of game, but if you allow a team with that many ball carriers possession and momentum, you're going to be battered into submission.

    @stodders said in All Blacks 2025:

    @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:

    @stodders said in All Blacks 2025:

    I don't think dominant tackles is necessarily the issue. The ABs lack real ball carriers. Someone to punch holes and bend the defensive line. All of Read, Collins and Kaino could hit a ball up with venom. Who are the bruising ball carriers in the AB team right now that teams need to commit a couple of tacklers in order to subdue?

    Sami? Sititi last year. Clarke if he is selected. His knees are weapons.

    Samisoni is one, though he hasn't been as explosive so far this year.

    Sititi uses his footwork more than his brawn to breach the gain line.

    Clarke is a good strike weapon, granted.

    Is that it? Va'ai is lightweight as a carrier, Holland has potential, Patty T is missed, T Williams when on form can carry, as can Tosi. Jordie Barrett shows glimpses of it, but it isn't his strength. Ioane can carry well at 13. That is not enough IMO.

    To compare, Boks have the following ball carriers in their team: Marx, Etzebeth/de Jager/Snyman, Kolisi, PSDT, Wiese, DDA/Esterhuizen, Hooker.

    I know ABs play a different kind of game, but if you allow a team with that many ball carriers possession and momentum, you're going to be battered into submission.

    Because we’re not selecting the larger enforcer type players.

    Going off super rugby page stats, so give it take a kilo or two and a cm or two:
    Height wise: only two of the in the top 10 tallest loose forwards have been selected (Va’ai and Parker, take out Va’ai, it’s one).

    Weight wise: three - Va’ai, Parker, Finau (and Finau is actually on the shorter side

    can you list the 10 tallest
    finau is 1.97 so wouldnt call him on shorter side.
    im all for picking bigger loose forwards

    Says Finau is 193cm on the ABs page.
    Top 10 tallest:
    Va’ai: 198
    Parker:197
    Delaney: 197
    Haig: 197
    Ah Khoi: 196
    Saufua: 196
    Saifolio: 195
    Howden: 195
    Wrampling: 194
    Grace: 194

    Top 10 heaviest (weights to be taken with a grain of salt imo):
    Saifoloi: 120
    Va’ai: 118
    Parker: 117
    Ah Kuoi: 116
    Saufua: 116
    Finau: 115
    Haig: 114
    Delaney: 114
    Wrampling: 114
    Dalton: 113
    Sititi: 113

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    @jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:

    @ploughboy said in All Blacks 2025:

    @jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:

    @stodders said in All Blacks 2025:

    @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:

    @stodders said in All Blacks 2025:

    I don't think dominant tackles is necessarily the issue. The ABs lack real ball carriers. Someone to punch holes and bend the defensive line. All of Read, Collins and Kaino could hit a ball up with venom. Who are the bruising ball carriers in the AB team right now that teams need to commit a couple of tacklers in order to subdue?

    Sami? Sititi last year. Clarke if he is selected. His knees are weapons.

    Samisoni is one, though he hasn't been as explosive so far this year.

    Sititi uses his footwork more than his brawn to breach the gain line.

    Clarke is a good strike weapon, granted.

    Is that it? Va'ai is lightweight as a carrier, Holland has potential, Patty T is missed, T Williams when on form can carry, as can Tosi. Jordie Barrett shows glimpses of it, but it isn't his strength. Ioane can carry well at 13. That is not enough IMO.

    To compare, Boks have the following ball carriers in their team: Marx, Etzebeth/de Jager/Snyman, Kolisi, PSDT, Wiese, DDA/Esterhuizen, Hooker.

    I know ABs play a different kind of game, but if you allow a team with that many ball carriers possession and momentum, you're going to be battered into submission.

    @stodders said in All Blacks 2025:

    @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:

    @stodders said in All Blacks 2025:

    I don't think dominant tackles is necessarily the issue. The ABs lack real ball carriers. Someone to punch holes and bend the defensive line. All of Read, Collins and Kaino could hit a ball up with venom. Who are the bruising ball carriers in the AB team right now that teams need to commit a couple of tacklers in order to subdue?

    Sami? Sititi last year. Clarke if he is selected. His knees are weapons.

    Samisoni is one, though he hasn't been as explosive so far this year.

    Sititi uses his footwork more than his brawn to breach the gain line.

    Clarke is a good strike weapon, granted.

    Is that it? Va'ai is lightweight as a carrier, Holland has potential, Patty T is missed, T Williams when on form can carry, as can Tosi. Jordie Barrett shows glimpses of it, but it isn't his strength. Ioane can carry well at 13. That is not enough IMO.

    To compare, Boks have the following ball carriers in their team: Marx, Etzebeth/de Jager/Snyman, Kolisi, PSDT, Wiese, DDA/Esterhuizen, Hooker.

    I know ABs play a different kind of game, but if you allow a team with that many ball carriers possession and momentum, you're going to be battered into submission.

    Because we’re not selecting the larger enforcer type players.

    Going off super rugby page stats, so give it take a kilo or two and a cm or two:
    Height wise: only two of the in the top 10 tallest loose forwards have been selected (Va’ai and Parker, take out Va’ai, it’s one).

    Weight wise: three - Va’ai, Parker, Finau (and Finau is actually on the shorter side

    can you list the 10 tallest
    finau is 1.97 so wouldnt call him on shorter side.
    im all for picking bigger loose forwards

    @ploughboy said in All Blacks 2025:

    @jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:

    @stodders said in All Blacks 2025:

    @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:

    @stodders said in All Blacks 2025:

    I don't think dominant tackles is necessarily the issue. The ABs lack real ball carriers. Someone to punch holes and bend the defensive line. All of Read, Collins and Kaino could hit a ball up with venom. Who are the bruising ball carriers in the AB team right now that teams need to commit a couple of tacklers in order to subdue?

    Sami? Sititi last year. Clarke if he is selected. His knees are weapons.

    Samisoni is one, though he hasn't been as explosive so far this year.

    Sititi uses his footwork more than his brawn to breach the gain line.

    Clarke is a good strike weapon, granted.

    Is that it? Va'ai is lightweight as a carrier, Holland has potential, Patty T is missed, T Williams when on form can carry, as can Tosi. Jordie Barrett shows glimpses of it, but it isn't his strength. Ioane can carry well at 13. That is not enough IMO.

    To compare, Boks have the following ball carriers in their team: Marx, Etzebeth/de Jager/Snyman, Kolisi, PSDT, Wiese, DDA/Esterhuizen, Hooker.

    I know ABs play a different kind of game, but if you allow a team with that many ball carriers possession and momentum, you're going to be battered into submission.

    @stodders said in All Blacks 2025:

    @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:

    @stodders said in All Blacks 2025:

    I don't think dominant tackles is necessarily the issue. The ABs lack real ball carriers. Someone to punch holes and bend the defensive line. All of Read, Collins and Kaino could hit a ball up with venom. Who are the bruising ball carriers in the AB team right now that teams need to commit a couple of tacklers in order to subdue?

    Sami? Sititi last year. Clarke if he is selected. His knees are weapons.

    Samisoni is one, though he hasn't been as explosive so far this year.

    Sititi uses his footwork more than his brawn to breach the gain line.

    Clarke is a good strike weapon, granted.

    Is that it? Va'ai is lightweight as a carrier, Holland has potential, Patty T is missed, T Williams when on form can carry, as can Tosi. Jordie Barrett shows glimpses of it, but it isn't his strength. Ioane can carry well at 13. That is not enough IMO.

    To compare, Boks have the following ball carriers in their team: Marx, Etzebeth/de Jager/Snyman, Kolisi, PSDT, Wiese, DDA/Esterhuizen, Hooker.

    I know ABs play a different kind of game, but if you allow a team with that many ball carriers possession and momentum, you're going to be battered into submission.

    Because we’re not selecting the larger enforcer type players.

    Going off super rugby page stats, so give it take a kilo or two and a cm or two:
    Height wise: only two of the in the top 10 tallest loose forwards have been selected (Va’ai and Parker, take out Va’ai, it’s one).

    Weight wise: three - Va’ai, Parker, Finau (and Finau is actually on the shorter side

    can you list the 10 tallest
    finau is 1.97 so wouldnt call him on shorter side.
    im all for picking bigger loose forwards

    Says Finau is 193cm on the ABs page.
    Top 10 tallest:
    Va’ai: 198
    Parker:197
    Delaney: 197
    Haig: 197
    Ah Khoi: 196
    Saufua: 196
    Saifolio: 195
    Howden: 195
    Wrampling: 194
    Grace: 194

    Top 10 heaviest (weights to be taken with a grain of salt imo):
    Saifoloi: 120
    Va’ai: 118
    Parker: 117
    Ah Kuoi: 116
    Saufua: 116
    Finau: 115
    Haig: 114
    Delaney: 114
    Wrampling: 114
    Dalton: 113
    > Sititi: 113

    Don’t forget he was 93kg last year supposedly

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    @pakman this has to be a joke right?

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    @jimmyb Finau is 118 kg. He said so in a post-match interview during SR.

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    Razor will be super stoked our saviour is returning from injury.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360826208/all-blacks-top-halfback-cam-rogard-make-comeback-injury-npc

    Full list of ABs playing NPC this week:

    Taranaki: Josh Lord

    Counties Manukau: Cam Roigard

    Auckland: Caleb Clarke, Rieko Ioane

    Wellington: Peter Lakai, Kyle Preston, Ruben Love

    Ta$man: Leicester Fainga'anuku

    Waikato: Samipeni Finau, Luke Jacobson, Anton Lienert-Brown

    Otago: George Bower

    Bay of Plenty: Pasilio Tosi

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    Here is the full list. Norris should be playing too, unless he is the reason Bower was called in.

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    #6222

    Cory Jane Criticizes All Blacks’ High-Ball Technique After Springboks Defeat

    Former All Blacks star Cory Jane has voiced concern over New Zealand’s high-ball performance, describing the team’s aerial technique as “sloppy” following their recent loss to the Springboks.

    Jane, a 2011 World Cup winner and one of rugby’s most reliable high-ball specialists during his 55-Test career, now coaches defense and aerial contests at the Hurricanes. He explained that while the game has evolved with more contestable kicks due to law changes, the core fundamentals of catching remain unchanged.

    “The way I always try to train our boys here is to get nice and square, get your knee in front to protect you, but also to get separation from the chaser. If you let them into your airspace, it’s a genuine 50/50,” Jane told Sport Nation.

    He highlighted that many current players jump off one leg, leaving them vulnerable to onrushing chasers. Against South Africa, he noted Damian McKenzie and others were jumping with the wrong knee forward, which compromised their protection.

    “I just think for all the glove work, or bubble as they used to call it, protecting the catcher, the technique’s got sloppy. We need to get back to having better technique in the air, to catch more than we drop,” Jane said.

    Jane emphasized that confidence is crucial in aerial battles, recalling how the All Blacks of his era built a reputation that unsettled opponents. But he warned that without sharper skills, today’s team risks losing those contests.

    He also pointed out the tactical shift in defensive setups, where playmakers are increasingly exposed under the high ball. In the Springboks clash, Beauden and Jordie Barrett swapped positions in the backfield to manage pressure, with Jordie often taking the deeper role.

    “There are ways you can get around it, but the reality is the majority of 10s have to catch high balls these days,” Jane concluded.

    #AllBlacks #Springboks #CoryJane #RugbyUnion #RugbyAnalysis #URC

    https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1MV8eiKU97
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