All Blacks 2025
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The whole chummy thing annoys me only from the aspect that the players should be devastated and embarrassed after a loss like that.
But them being good friends with opposition off the field has literally NOTHING to do with our demise.
Ridiculous revisionism here, McCaw and Carter were unanimously called the nicest players on the planet when they were playing.
What's cringe is the social media peacocking you see from the likes of Ardie, not the actual real life friendships.
Ffs if we seriously waste any time on that issue as our go to fix for our current troubles instead of the very real problems we have on the field, we will literally drop out of the top ten.
Our completely backwards and predictable attacking shape/process is 90% of our problem.
That's it, not these guys having dinner together off the field.
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@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2025:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
Anyone seen the latest Facebook post on the ABs page of savea talking about Kolisi? Bit too much love thy neighbour. Vomit inducing
Nothing against ardie but I personally don’t like him saying stuff like , end of the day it’s just a game , after a loss .
Maybe I’m a grumpy old dinosaur but That’s not the attitude our legacy was built on.
Actually, it IS the attitude our legacy was built on.
It's been common practice for AB coaches, captains and players to form close, friendships during series or tours - particularly true of NZ/SA rugby. Sam Cane stayed with a a number of Boks after he hurt his neck. Goes way back to 1928.
Give me that legacy of post-match camaraderie rather than the sort of stuff we saw from Sexton & co. Keep that sort of shit in soccer - it has no place in Rugby
I don’t think anyone is advocating for the other end of the extreme. It isn’t common practice at all. From 2010 to 2015, did we see any of this? No one liked each other from opposing teams. That’s how you build competition. Friendship isn’t bigger than winning. An extreme example of Cane breaking his neck isn’t an example of anything.
The Bok only started this when they started winning. It wasn’t song and dances pre 2019 was it?
Ardie is a caricature of the “modern day leader”. It’s exaggerated, tedious, and lacks the edge to win anything, which is demonstrated in the results.
It's performative and lacking any authenticity. It feels like these guys - players and coaches - often say things because they think that's something that sounds like what needs to be said.
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@junior said in All Blacks 2025:
It's performative and lacking any authenticity. It feels like these guys - players and coaches - often say things because they think that's something that sounds like what needs to be said.
Don't think it lacks authenticity . Kolisi & Savea have regularly posted about their close friendship with each other and their families for years. It's just who they both are.
No excuse for that Caketin performance, mind.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@junior said in All Blacks 2025:
It's performative and lacking any authenticity. It feels like these guys - players and coaches - often say things because they think that's something that sounds like what needs to be said.
Don't think it lacks authenticity . Kolisi & Savea have regularly posted about their close friendship with each other and their families for years. It's just who they both are.
No excuse for that Caketin performance, mind.
You can be mates if you are winning all the time..........
If we arent winning we need to find every 1% we can get.
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@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
I think Ardie is a phenomenal athlete. And his highlight reel is freakish.
But he is not the Allblack captain for me.
He’s a swan diver, superman try scoring celebration, “this is my house”, silly dummy throwing player perfect for the tik tok age.
The chip and chases, the hungus lack of passing, the unnecessary leg drive at times that allows the opposition to get back into line because he wants to fight for a pyrrhic extra yard for brand Ardie.
I seen footage of him in the huddle after the game giving the post loss debrief. He always knows when the cameras are on and where they are.
His rallying cry at the end….?
“Sweet?” And then the players all chant “sweet”.
We carry on like the under 20’s.
They are not serious people.
Not in the way McCaw, Thorn, the Franks brothers, Hayman et al were.
They should be telling the camera man to get the fuck out of the huddle.
And the riot act should be read.
Biggest ever loss.
There should have been fingers getting pointed and lads sheepishly afraid to make eye contact.
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Ardie chip kicked possession away in the 78th minute to give Boks another possession which they turned into 7 more points immediately. Which turned the match from being a 26 point loss to the biggest defeat in history.
Then minutes later he gives an inspirational speech in the huddle.
it just all feels very performative.
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@nonpartizan said in All Blacks 2025:
Ardie chip kicked possession away in the 78th minute to give Boks another possession which they turned into 7 more points immediately. Which turned the match from being a 26 point loss to the biggest defeat in history.
Then minutes later he gives an inspirational speech in the huddle.
it just all feels very performative.
Add in that over the head offload in the dying minutes of the 23 RWC. Wasn’t v sweet
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@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
@nonpartizan said in All Blacks 2025:
Ardie chip kicked possession away in the 78th minute to give Boks another possession which they turned into 7 more points immediately. Which turned the match from being a 26 point loss to the biggest defeat in history.
Then minutes later he gives an inspirational speech in the huddle.
it just all feels very performative.
Add in that over the head offload in the dying minutes of the 23 RWC. Wasn’t v sweet
That play annoys me to this day. If he had held on to the ball the Boks were toast. What annoys me even more is how little criticism he's received for it. Everyone blames Mounga and Barrett for their missed kicks, but Ardie literally threw the RWC away with that pass..
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@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
He's gotta be the hero, thats why god gave him deez mad skillz.
Being mates off the field is fine. Parading it on social media after a record flogging is not.Thats the social media generation, like it or not. But when they step inside the lines it should be no quarter asked or given
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New here...all the way from Worcester South Africa.
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The problem with the All Blacks:
- There are good coaches in NZ but their egos get in the way to the demise of NZ Rugby.
- Wake up you cannot run a professional game with amateur rules.
- Pick on form period
- It begins at the top..
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@Young-Hamiltons said in All Blacks 2025:
The problem with the All Blacks:
- There are good coaches in NZ but their egos get in the way to the demise of NZ Rugby.
- Wake up you cannot run a professional game with amateur rules.
- Pick on form period
- It begins at the top..
Ouiii coming in here talking sense
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A backline of:
9 Grant Williams
10 Manie Libbok
11 Kurt Leigh Arendse
12 Damian Willemse
13 Canan Moodie
14 Cheslin Kolby
15 Warwick Galant
Would run rings around any backline and interesting part they probably grew up watching the All Blacks. And there are more of them running around all over South Africa...and I support the All Blacks. -
My profile pic is the home of Young Hamiltons...where the Mighty All Blacks played in 1996
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@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
He's gotta be the hero, thats why god gave him deez mad skillz.
Being mates off the field is fine. Parading it on social media after a record flogging is not.That’s like a day or two after the flogging , allblacks put up a feel good post on Insta about the Barrett brothers have now apparently played 300 games between them .
Like we give a fuck at the moment .
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
He's gotta be the hero, thats why god gave him deez mad skillz.
Being mates off the field is fine. Parading it on social media after a record flogging is not.That’s like a day or two after the flogging , allblacks put up a feel good post on Insta about the Barrett brothers have now apparently played 300 games between them .
Like we give a fuck at the moment .
Especially when about a hundred of them aren’t really deserved
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@junior said in All Blacks 2025:
It's performative and lacking any authenticity. It feels like these guys - players and coaches - often say things because they think that's something that sounds like what needs to be said.
Don't think it lacks authenticity . Kolisi & Savea have regularly posted about their close friendship with each other and their families for years. It's just who they both are.
No excuse for that Caketin performance, mind.
I am sure their friendship is authentic - but that is not what I was talking about.
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Some good insights from Eddie Jones and Ewan McKenzie on where we are going wrong.
Interesting analysis from people who dont have skin in the NZ game.
"Barrett seems loathe to take the ball as a first receiver".
"the ball out the back in phase play is going to static players".
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@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
the ball out the back in phase play is going to static players
This is the absolute worst part of any of our attacking play. Ball is constantly distributed to deep players standing still, even when it goes 2 or 3 out. What what why? Where are the players in motion? It's about the worst way to beat most defences and especially the rush.
