All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I
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stats are great, until they arent.
"Oh, people can come up with statistics to prove anything, Kent. 14% of people know that"
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Chris mate did you see LF defense stats etc in club rugby in France.. He was worst centre over the season in top 14, by quite a bit. The couple of games I saw him play, he made a few breaks and looked great on attack but abysmal on defense, in that he seemed to not even attempt tackles at time. Reckon JAS would have fun running in his channel
Suaali’i is very poor defensively and could have kittens trying to defend LF.
Procter adds nothing on attack or defence.Yep, but LF is poor on defense and so would be doing same surely. Games I saw him play weren't so much he couldn't tackle, but more he seemed not to attempt them at times. he may of been confused with defsive set up team used or something, and hope they working on it'
Let’s see how Procter handles Suaali’i it maybe carnage.
Maybe it was miss communication between LF and French speaking players around him with Toulon.Saying Proctor has nothing on attack or defence is garbage. We know what he’s capable of because we’ve seen it for so long. The game plan is garbage and it’s completely fucked his confidence. That’s on the coaches in my view.
Maybe let’s give Proctor some ball to play with, you know instead of kicking the ball away at 9/10 or crashing the ball up at 12 in almost every play that we do. I’d like the ABs to play with width, they looked so good when they did that in the first 15 mins or so of the last test.
In the first 15 mins Proctor had three solid touches, one underneath his own sticks to put Carter away when Beauden decided to run it. He’s certainly capable, everyone just needs to do their fking job to a high standard, instead of looking like a bunch of clowns who don’t know what the game plan is.
We give him the ball and gives away points through and intercept.
That’s happened to the best players over the years. He needs more ball with more time but he’ll never get it because we have a cart horse 10 that offers nothing these days. Lester, Ennor etc would all struggle at 13 right now with the way our game plan is setup.
It’s a reflection of the coaches, Proctor has been one of the most consistent players over the last three years and then looks like a completely different player on the test stage. They haven’t exactly helped a young player get accustomed to one of the hardest positions in the game, because the game plan is geared towards our halves and our back three playing aerial ping pong.
We are all losing faith in Razor and his coaching staff and I hope he gets the boot if we lose the Bled. Deserves too IMO. He’s not ruthless enough to make the hard calls on underperforming senior players and his game plan up until now has been a disaster.
Let’s hope for everyone’s sake that we hit top gear on Saturday.
If we win it may just paper over the cracks .
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
stats are great, until they arent.
"Oh, people can come up with statistics to prove anything, Kent. 14% of people know that"
Yeah that's true. The point of showing those stats was not to prove Lam is the best but only to show that your idea of Lam having a bad season wasn't an obvious conclusion. From my own eye test I thought he was close to our best player throughout the season.
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@Chris said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Those stats also show Ennor is the best defensive centre by a long way.I think he's a very good defender but its not really clear that he's the best. Both Ennor and ALB didn't make a lot of tackles over the season.
In terms of completed tackles per 80 minutes Ennor is ranked 18 out of 23.
Well of course that depends on the possession stats how many tackles per 80 min you can make.
And how the opposition uses possession.David Havili was doing all of Ennor's defensive work for him.
Tackles Per 80 Minutes
17.51 David Havili
7.49 Braydon EnnorHas he though ? stats do not tell you that .
It could be the opposition are using the channel Havilli defends in.Sorry that last point wasn't really serious. Just a frivolous misinterpretation of those metrics.
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@Chris said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Chris mate did you see LF defense stats etc in club rugby in France.. He was worst centre over the season in top 14, by quite a bit. The couple of games I saw him play, he made a few breaks and looked great on attack but abysmal on defense, in that he seemed to not even attempt tackles at time. Reckon JAS would have fun running in his channel
Suaali’i is very poor defensively and could have kittens trying to defend LF.
Procter adds nothing on attack or defence.Yep, but LF is poor on defense and so would be doing same surely. Games I saw him play weren't so much he couldn't tackle, but more he seemed not to attempt them at times. he may of been confused with defsive set up team used or something, and hope they working on it'
Let’s see how Procter handles Suaali’i it maybe carnage.
Maybe it was miss communication between LF and French speaking players around him with Toulon.Saying Proctor has nothing on attack or defence is garbage. We know what he’s capable of because we’ve seen it for so long. The game plan is garbage and it’s completely fucked his confidence. That’s on the coaches in my view.
Maybe let’s give Proctor some ball to play with, you know instead of kicking the ball away at 9/10 or crashing the ball up at 12 in almost every play that we do. I’d like the ABs to play with width, they looked so good when they did that in the first 15 mins or so of the last test.
In the first 15 mins Proctor had three solid touches, one underneath his own sticks to put Carter away when Beauden decided to run it. He’s certainly capable, everyone just needs to do their fking job to a high standard, instead of looking like a bunch of clowns who don’t know what the game plan is.
We give him the ball and gives away points through and intercept.
That’s happened to the best players over the years. He needs more ball with more time but he’ll never get it because we have a cart horse 10 that offers nothing these days. Lester, Ennor etc would all struggle at 13 right now with the way our game plan is setup.
It’s a reflection of the coaches, Proctor has been one of the most consistent players over the last three years and then looks like a completely different player on the test stage. They haven’t exactly helped a young player get accustomed to one of the hardest positions in the game, because the game plan is geared towards our halves and our back three playing aerial ping pong.
We are all losing faith in Razor and his coaching staff and I hope he gets the boot if we lose the Bled. Deserves too IMO. He’s not ruthless enough to make the hard calls on underperforming senior players and his game plan up until now has been a disaster.
Let’s hope for everyone’s sake that we hit top gear on Saturday.
If we win it may just paper over the cracks .
Yeah but at least it will be a start. The Wallabies have won some very big games this year so beating them shouldn’t be sniffed at. If we can win this week and then in Perth it will be a big confidence booster for those players and coaches under pressure. If we lose both then I’d expect jobs to be in the firing line (including Proctor).
Let’s hope we’ve learnt something from the second test against the Boks, if we come out and play exactly the same style of rugby and lose, that will be a massive disappointment.
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@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Those stats also show Ennor is the best defensive centre by a long way.I think he's a very good defender but its not really clear that he's the best. Both Ennor and ALB didn't make a lot of tackles over the season.
In terms of completed tackles per 80 minutes Ennor is ranked 18 out of 23.
Well of course that depends on the possession stats how many tackles per 80 min you can make.
And how the opposition uses possession.David Havili was doing all of Ennor's defensive work for him.
Tackles Per 80 Minutes
17.51 David Havili
7.49 Braydon EnnorArguing the relative defensive merits of two guys who are rightfully about a million miles away from the AB squad.......
5.05pm on Saturday can't come fast enough !
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@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Those stats also show Ennor is the best defensive centre by a long way.I think he's a very good defender but its not really clear that he's the best. Both Ennor and ALB didn't make a lot of tackles over the season.
In terms of completed tackles per 80 minutes Ennor is ranked 18 out of 23.
alb spent a lot of season injured but as your stats say he tacked at 93%
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Missed tackles and the bottom line is pretty telling.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Mils.
Fucking.
Scored.Look
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Those stats also show Ennor is the best defensive centre by a long way.I think he's a very good defender but its not really clear that he's the best. Both Ennor and ALB didn't make a lot of tackles over the season.
In terms of completed tackles per 80 minutes Ennor is ranked 18 out of 23.
Well of course that depends on the possession stats how many tackles per 80 min you can make.
And how the opposition uses possession.David Havili was doing all of Ennor's defensive work for him.
Tackles Per 80 Minutes
17.51 David Havili
7.49 Braydon EnnorArguing the relative defensive merits of two guys who are rightfully about a million miles away from the AB squad.......
5.05pm on Saturday can't come fast enough !
Then it will all start up again as some players will prove once again they should not be there.
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@taniwharugby metres made well lack thereof suggests to me in time we should bring a certain landers & Auckland winger into the team
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@ploughboy That’s the same with Braydon Ennor who only played 8 games.
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@allblackfan2 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Lukhan Salakaia-Loto has been given the job of Eden Park enforcer after being named to make his first start for the Wallabies this year against the All Blacks on Saturday.
The call-up for the big Queensland lock came as Wallabies coach Joe Schmidt also turned to a new starting partnership in the halves for the opening Bledisloe Cup clash, with Tate McDermott and James O’Connor trusted to run the show for Australia at the intimidating Auckland venue.
From the Sydney Morning Herald just now
LSL vs Vaa'i - the battle of silly penalties can commence at last.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Missed tackles and the bottom line is pretty telling.
I hate stats
But those aren't pretty reading
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Missed tackles and the bottom line is pretty telling.
Well at least we're leading in 2 of those categories......
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Grooter I love a conspiracy. Just seems all a little too convenient.
He wasn’t moving freely in that last 10 minutes of the Boks match, was even mentioned during the game. I don’t think it’s just a shoulder either.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Grooter I love a conspiracy. Just seems all a little too convenient.
He wasn’t moving freely in that last 10 minutes of the Boks match, was even mentioned during the game. I don’t think it’s just a shoulder either.
I think it was last year in Super he came off early without any obvious ‘incident’ and it looked like his lower back was an issue.
Hard to get right, although surgery is sometimes an answer.
A shadow of the player he was in 2023 when one of two best locks in world rugby.
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@Chris said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
For me Quinn Tupaea is also lucky. He showed a lot of promise during Super Rugby but he was disappointing in this RC especially in the last game.
He was one of the players walking in the last 15 minutes.
That first five minutes was exhausting!
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@Chris mate did you see LF defense stats etc in club rugby in France.. He was worst centre over the season in top 14, by quite a bit. The couple of games I saw him play, he made a few breaks and looked great on attack but abysmal on defense, in that he seemed to not even attempt tackles at time. Reckon JAS would have fun running in his channel
Suaali’i is very poor defensively and could have kittens trying to defend LF.
Procter adds nothing on attack or defence.Yep, but LF is poor on defense and so would be doing same surely. Games I saw him play weren't so much he couldn't tackle, but more he seemed not to attempt them at times. he may of been confused with defsive set up team used or something, and hope they working on it'
Let’s see how Procter handles Suaali’i it maybe carnage.
Maybe it was miss communication between LF and French speaking players around him with Toulon.Saying Proctor has nothing on attack or defence is garbage. We know what he’s capable of because we’ve seen it for so long. The game plan is bullshit and it’s completely fucked his confidence, because he’s been asked to do what he wasn’t picked for i.e spending most of his game being a dummy runner, cleaning rucks, and chasing kicks. All energy swooning shit.
Maybe let’s give Proctor some ball to play with, you know instead of kicking the ball away at 9/10 or crashing the ball up at 12 in almost every play that we do. I’d like the ABs to play with width, they looked so good when they did that in the first 15 mins or so of the last test.
In the first 15 mins Proctor had three solid touches, one underneath his own sticks to put Carter away when Beauden decided to run it. He’s certainly capable, everyone just needs to do their fking job to a high standard, instead of looking like a bunch of clowns who don’t know what the game plan is.
I think Billy is probably skating on thin ice.
One thing you can't say is that the coaches haven't backed him. He's been given a decent run as the pre-eminent centre. And while you can try to point to defects in the players around him - Billy's made plenty of his own errors - Kolbe's intercept the latest.
It's time for him to deliver a compelling performance.
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absolutely zero respect for the gain line
