All Blacks 2025
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
Jordan the best at 15? No Etzebeth?
PSdT named out of position, probably half a dozen better fullbacks than Jordan and the same for Furlong.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
Jordan the best at 15? No Etzebeth?
PSdT named out of position, probably half a dozen better fullbacks than Jordan and the same for Furlong.
Agree, Jordan not close to being the best full back in the world. I think for the whole 80mins PSdT does find himself on both sides but I could be wrong.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
Jordan the best at 15? No Etzebeth?
PSdT named out of position, probably half a dozen better fullbacks than Jordan and the same for Furlong.
Jordan at 15 is bizarre. Have the "selectors" been confused by tne Saffa 7 being blindside?
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
Inside Rugby: Chairman Kirk's nuclear option for coaching dilemma
OPINION: David Kirk has acknowledged All Blacks appointment process was flawed.
The Herald has spoken to several high-profile Kiwi coaches based overseas, who say that while they love their country and want teams in black to win on the world stage, they have no interest in coming home because they don’t believe the high-performance system is operating at best-practice levels, and they don’t trust NZR to consistently make good decisions around coaching and management appointments.
Some coaches have said they fear NZR has become dismissive of what it could learn and borrow from other countries and that it has shut itself off entirely from the rest of the world, which is partly why they say the All Blacks’ defensive and attacking patterns are outdated and ineffective.
Thats a grim, deflating read.
We are in trouble folks.
Big trouble. We have Scott Hansen coaching the side with Razor doing the pilates side of things and have to tour the republic for 4 fucken tests next year!
One thing that really annoyed me about the 3 part Razor wankfest run by Jim Kayes was when he was extremely dismissive about getting experience overseas and said something along the lines of 'Why do i need overseas experience? I spent time over there as a player!' He lost me right there. Did he think he'd walk into international rugby thinking the opposition was the same level as the Waratahs and Force or something?
I really think we make too much of saying you need international experience.
Sure test rugby is different but its still rugby. The laws are the same, the quality increases but who shouldnt be shocked at test rugby is different than super rugby
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
Inside Rugby: Chairman Kirk's nuclear option for coaching dilemma
OPINION: David Kirk has acknowledged All Blacks appointment process was flawed.
The Herald has spoken to several high-profile Kiwi coaches based overseas, who say that while they love their country and want teams in black to win on the world stage, they have no interest in coming home because they don’t believe the high-performance system is operating at best-practice levels, and they don’t trust NZR to consistently make good decisions around coaching and management appointments.
Some coaches have said they fear NZR has become dismissive of what it could learn and borrow from other countries and that it has shut itself off entirely from the rest of the world, which is partly why they say the All Blacks’ defensive and attacking patterns are outdated and ineffective.
Thats a grim, deflating read.
We are in trouble folks.
Big trouble. We have Scott Hansen coaching the side with Razor doing the pilates side of things and have to tour the republic for 4 fucken tests next year!
One thing that really annoyed me about the 3 part Razor wankfest run by Jim Kayes was when he was extremely dismissive about getting experience overseas and said something along the lines of 'Why do i need overseas experience? I spent time over there as a player!' He lost me right there. Did he think he'd walk into international rugby thinking the opposition was the same level as the Waratahs and Force or something?
I really think we make too much of saying you need international experience.
Sure test rugby is different but its still rugby. The laws are the same, the quality increases but who shouldnt be shocked at test rugby is different than super rugby
Yeah this is bullshit. Robertson is just a dumb fluffybunny, that's the problem, not experience. Suggesting he didn't know test rugby was different from Super rugby when he's actually played them both is a bit of a joke.
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So what were the positives of 2025?
Who were the players to emerge who look to be long term all Blacks and will play a key part in 2027?
Ita fair to say the aBs stagnated this year and went backwards in a number of areas.
Razor and Ryan will survive but every other coach should be cut loose.
NZR should be committed to getting the best assistant coaches possible and it doest matter what their nationality is.
Defence coach being the biggest priority for me - nz defence systems are lagging behind the rest of the top sides and we need outside help. It cant be too hard to find better quality defensive coaches.
Lots to do to get us back on track
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
I really think we make too much of saying you need international experience.
The current AB head Coach says "Hold my beer"
"Until you have played or coached a test match, you don't know [what is required] until you have done it and so those guys are really valuable," Robertson said."
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
I really think we make too much of saying you need international experience.
The current AB head Coach says "Hold my beer"
"Until you have played or coached a test match, you don't know [what is required] until you have done it and so those guys are really valuable," Robertson said.
"or". He had played. The requirement for him is well over-sold, and the problem players are veterans.
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
So what were the positives of 2025?
I posted this a bit early in the thread:
"Holland's taken to Test Rugby like a duck to the wet stuff.
Jordie Barrett came back from Europe with an extra edge to his game.
Cam Roigard is world class.
Our Hookers are excellent.
DMac did well when he had game time. So did Caleb Clarke between injuries. So did Patrick Tuipolutu.
We have the Bledisloe. (Still).
Eden Park is a Fortress. (Still).
Wallace Sititi after being shaky for much of the year finished well.
In ranking terms, we are 2 in the world even if I think the Springboks, England and France are all comfortably better than us." -
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
"Turned a Corner"?
It was Wales, Scott.
To be fair, he wasn't talking about that game at all, he was talking about the number of players exposed to international rugby and 'turning the corner' in terms of having that number of experienced players.
Which is also largely bullshit, but has nothing to do with Wales.
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@reprobate Robertson's frantically trying to survive a review that rightly is going to be extremely critical. I'm sick of his spin. I want an All Blacks Head Coach who is a Head Coach. He needs to be put on surfing leave. Permanently.
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
So what were the positives of 2025?
I posted this a bit early in the thread:
"Holland's taken to Test Rugby like a duck to the wet stuff.
Jordie Barrett came back from Europe with an extra edge to his game.
Cam Roigard is world class.
Our Hookers are excellent.
DMac did well when he had game time. So did Caleb Clarke between injuries. So did Patrick Tuipolutu.
We have the Bledisloe. (Still).
Eden Park is a Fortress. (Still).
Wallace Sititi after being shaky for much of the year finished well.
In ranking terms, we are 2 in the world even if I think the Springboks, England and France are all comfortably better than us."I don't think the players are the problem - it's a cultural/headspace issue which is.
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate Robertson's frantically trying to survive a review that rightly is going to be extremely critical
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
Who were the players to emerge who look to be long term all Blacks and will play a key part in 2027?
Fabian Holland was the pick of the new caps by some distance.
Of the recent All Blacks Pasilio Tosi, Josh Lord and Peter Lakai took big strides forward. Cam Roigard is clearly world class.
