Still talking about Foster
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@sparky said in Still talking about Foster:
@nzzp Although SJK was a level above Ian Foster as a player. He really carved it up for the All Blacks and Auckland on the right wing in the late 80s/early 90s.
totally. Hence my 'legend of the game' comment.
And can break down an animal as well at a pinch
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@sparky said in Still talking about Foster:
@nzzp Although SJK was a level above Ian Foster as a player. He really carved it up for the All Blacks and Auckland on the right wing in the late 80s/early 90s.
…..and they were both much better players than Henry, Hart and Hansen
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@MN5 said in Still talking about Foster:
@sparky said in Still talking about Foster:
@nzzp Although SJK was a level above Ian Foster as a player. He really carved it up for the All Blacks and Auckland on the right wing in the late 80s/early 90s.
…..and they were both much better players than Henry, Hart and Hansen
Great players don't necessarily make great coaches. Scott Hansen seems like he suffers from small man syndrome though, maybe Ryan as well if he couldn't see his way clear to give some players a second chance for the good of the entire team
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@canefan said in Still talking about Foster:
@MN5 said in Still talking about Foster:
@sparky said in Still talking about Foster:
@nzzp Although SJK was a level above Ian Foster as a player. He really carved it up for the All Blacks and Auckland on the right wing in the late 80s/early 90s.
…..and they were both much better players than Henry, Hart and Hansen
Great players don't necessarily make great coaches. Scott Hansen seems like he suffers from small man syndrome though, maybe Ryan as well if he couldn't see his way clear to give some players a second chance for the good of the entire team
Yep, exactly the point I’m making.
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@gt12 said in Still talking about Foster:
Anyone bought it? Apparently he explains that he actually wanted Joseph and Brown on his original team.
Yes. Good read - did a review (below) Comes across as a very straight, very decent, modest bloke who inspired loyalty. Will re-read the part on assistants unless other beat me to it.
https://www.forum.silverfern.rugby/topic/267/tsf-book-club/1008
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@nzzp said in Still talking about Foster:
Got a copy of the Ian Foster autobiography.
It's really interesting. His account of NZR is unsurprising - basically focussed on commercial bling over the success of the game in general.
However, he seems weirdly thin skinned and unwilling to accept issues with the team. Surprised that the 2020 review focussed on the loss to Argentina - and thought his assistants Mooar and Plumtree got overly harsh reviews. He was initially gobsmacked that they wouldn't get contract extensions until late in 2021 -- there are some good points around difficulty in keeping coaches on - but I don't think he should have been reappointed for what it's worth.
Seems a decent dude, humble and a down to earth character, but surprisingly defensive. Some real snark in there about theming campaigns and NZR leaning on him to fire people they saw as difficult.
Halfway through, so will report back in at the end if there is anything else. Decent bloke, but I'd have let him go after 2 years. Then again, I wouldn't sell the family silver to the 'lake either, so i'm clearly not cut out for corporate governance.
Good summary - and agree he should have been moved on. I read him as being more naive than thin-skinned. Doubt Ted would have put up with the shit thrown at him by NZR
@canefan said in Still talking about Foster:
The one thing that stood out for me was the fact that the players back him the way they did when his head appeared to be on the block in SA. When Schmidt and Ryan came on board maybe Fozzie became more like the figurehead that Razor wants to be?
He wanted Schmidt from Day 1 but family issues got in the way, IIRC
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Still talking about Foster:
@gt12 said in Still talking about Foster:
Anyone bought it? Apparently he explains that he actually wanted Joseph and Brown on his original team.
Yes. Good read - did a review (below) Comes across as a very straight, very decent, modest bloke who inspired loyalty. Will re-read the part on assistants unless other beat me to it.
https://www.forum.silverfern.rugby/topic/267/tsf-book-club/1008
I just read that part. He had Joseph and Brown lined up - but in his opinion NZR dragged their feet and they got offered $$$ for overseas gigs - JJ to Japan in particular. So his 'team' morphed to Plumtree adn Mooar.
Thinks the assistants shouldn't be tied to a coach and I agree with him. I do wonder if the Deans thing was an excuse for not picking him over Henry.
He's not a fan of Henry at all. Thought Henry's comments that Rennie would be better (at a private function) were out of line. Rennie didn't even apply.
Edit: of Henry saying what he did - to be clear. I don't think he ventures an opinion on SGH
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Still talking about Foster:
Good summary - and agree he should have been moved on. I read him as being more naive than thin-skinned. Doubt Ted would have put up with the shit thrown at him by NZR
Good call. Naive is probably right.
His view seems to be that NZR restructured themselves so the ABs are just another business unit supporting the marketing department. Took the maanger off the exec (for instance), rebranded 5 teams to be 'all blacks' and then (in my opinion) got surprised the brand got diluted
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@nzzp said in Still talking about Foster:
I just read that part. He had Joseph and Brown lined up - but in his opinion NZR dragged their feet and they got offered $$$ for overseas gig
What a wasted opportunity right there.
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@sparky said in Still talking about Foster:
@nzzp Although SJK was a level above Ian Foster as a player. He really carved it up for the All Blacks and Auckland on the right wing in the late 80s/early 90s.
Goodness me. I'll have to track down some highlights. Sounds like he was quite the player.
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@Smudge said in Still talking about Foster:
@sparky said in Still talking about Foster:
@nzzp Although SJK was a level above Ian Foster as a player. He really carved it up for the All Blacks and Auckland on the right wing in the late 80s/early 90s.
Goodness me. I'll have to track down some highlights. Sounds like he was quite the player.
pretty sure i remember i guy with that name playing for the Wahs back in the day, possibly the same guy?
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@nzzp said in Still talking about Foster:
Good call. Naive is probably right.
Update: I think a mix of thin skinned and naive.
His talking about the games in 2021 were something like (not a direct quote) we smashed Tonga 102-0, then beat Fiji by 57 and 60- but still some people weren't happy.
I remember those Fiji games. They were coached by Vern and Ryan - and their forward pack scored a try or two against us up the guts. They looked sharp. People were right to critique the performances.
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@nzzp said in Still talking about Foster:
@sparky said in Still talking about Foster:
@nzzp Foster really decent bloke, middle of road professional Rugby coach.
comparator: Sir John Kirwan.
Top bloke, legend of the game, knighted for many reasons, and not a top level coach at all.
and yet paid TV analyst. Or, TV rugby personality? Same thing these days I guess...
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@nzzp said in Still talking about Foster:
@nzzp said in Still talking about Foster:
Good call. Naive is probably right.
Update: I think a mix of thin skinned and naive.
His talking about the games in 2021 were something like (not a direct quote) we smashed Tonga 102-0, then beat Fiji by 57 and 60- but still some people weren't happy.
I remember those Fiji games. They were coached by Vern and Ryan - and their forward pack scored a try or two against us up the guts. They looked sharp. People were right to critique the performances.
He never looked entirely comfortable in the way that GH and Shag looked. Both of those guys wouldn't take a lot of shit. Maybe deep down he knew he didn't have the street cred of his predecessors
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@nzzp said in Still talking about Foster:
@nzzp said in Still talking about Foster:
Good call. Naive is probably right.
Update: I think a mix of thin skinned and naive.
His talking about the games in 2021 were something like (not a direct quote) we smashed Tonga 102-0, then beat Fiji by 57 and 60- but still some people weren't happy.
I remember those Fiji games. They were coached by Vern and Ryan - and their forward pack scored a try or two against us up the guts. They looked sharp. People were right to critique the performances.
that just tells me hes out of sync with the fans....i think game against the PI nations are important....but most dont want to see huge blow outs...and it definitely doesnt offset loosing to argentina or ireland at home etc
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@Kiwiwomble said in Still talking about Foster:
that just tells me hes out of sync with the fans....i think game against the PI nations are important....but most dont want to see huge blow outs...and it definitely doesnt offset loosing to argentina or ireland at home etc
He selected Jordie Barrett on the wing, several times I think. Unforgiveable.
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@nostrildamus said in Still talking about Foster:
@Kiwiwomble said in Still talking about Foster:
that just tells me hes out of sync with the fans....i think game against the PI nations are important....but most dont want to see huge blow outs...and it definitely doesnt offset loosing to argentina or ireland at home etc
He selected Jordie Barrett on the wing, several times I think. Unforgiveable.
that once again comes down to his idea of all he needed to do was get the 15 best players on the pitch, regardless of position...the overall rating on "EA Rugby" is all that mattered
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@nostrildamus said in Still talking about Foster:
@Kiwiwomble said in Still talking about Foster:
that just tells me hes out of sync with the fans....i think game against the PI nations are important....but most dont want to see huge blow outs...and it definitely doesnt offset loosing to argentina or ireland at home etc
He selected Jordie Barrett on the wing, several times I think. Unforgiveable.
He only selected him at 12 once Havili got injured. Like Razor injury was Fozzie's best selector
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@canefan said in Still talking about Foster:
@nostrildamus said in Still talking about Foster:
@Kiwiwomble said in Still talking about Foster:
that just tells me hes out of sync with the fans....i think game against the PI nations are important....but most dont want to see huge blow outs...and it definitely doesnt offset loosing to argentina or ireland at home etc
He selected Jordie Barrett on the wing, several times I think. Unforgiveable.
He only selected him at 12 once Havili got injured. Like Razor injury was Fozzie's best selector
IIRC, Jordie at 12 was discussed before Havili was unavailable (maybe the reason he played 12 for the Canes?). He wanted to play 12 but was excellent at 15 so there was reluctance and much conservatism in the mix too.
