Ashes 2025/6
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while im digging, had a look at NZ's bowlers record in Oz...
min 250 balls bowled. We havent had the same number of opportunities to tour there of course.
Ignoring obvious part timers, though allowing Coney...Paddles as we know = GOAT
Coney 6 wickets @ 18.00
Wagner 17 wickets @ 22.76
Dayle Hadlee 8 wickets @ 28.75then it gets ugly..
Cairns Snr 15 wickets @ 35.86
Chats 9 wickets @ 37.55
Vettori 36 wickets @ 38.22
Boult 18 wickets @ 38.33
Cairns Jnr 28 wickets @ 39.03
Southee 28 wickets @ 40.00
Coldplay 20 wickets @ 41.00
Doull 11 wickets @ 46.45
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@Virgil said in Ashes 2025/6:
while im digging, had a look at NZ's bowlers record in Oz...
min 250 balls bowled. We havent had the same number of opportunities to tour there of course.
Ignoring obvious part timers, though allowing Coney...Paddles as we know = GOAT
Coney 6 wickets @ 18.00
Wagner 17 wickets @ 22.76
Dayle Hadlee 8 wickets @ 28.75then it gets ugly..
Cairns Snr 15 wickets @ 35.86
Chats 9 wickets @ 37.55
Vettori 36 wickets @ 38.22
Boult 18 wickets @ 38.33
Cairns Jnr 28 wickets @ 39.03
Southee 28 wickets @ 40.00
Coldplay 20 wickets @ 41.00
Doull 11 wickets @ 46.45
Danny Morrison 15 wickets @ 61.40!!DK was SO much better than his stats suggested.
Border always seemed to struggle against him ( although others didn't judging by that record
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as much as i am loath to give more oxygen to yet another fucking historical cricket discussion taking over another fucking thread
if you are going to turn up to australia as a 130km swing bowler you are going to have a shitty time.
And as a touring bowler, you can't get carried away with the pace and bounce. i have seen far too many guys come here and think pace and bounce means you have to bowl short and blast guys out. The good guys who come here work out real quick you let the lift off a length do the work for you. For sure, have a short plan for when guys are set and you need something different, but it should never ever be your main plan.
The gabba is a good batting deck disguised as a bowling deck. you have to work hard and hit your lengths over and over.
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@mariner4life said in Ashes 2025/6:
as much as i am loath to give more oxygen to yet another fucking historical cricket discussion taking over another fucking thread
if you are going to turn up to australia as a 130km swing bowler you are going to have a shitty time.
And as a touring bowler, you can't get carried away with the pace and bounce. i have seen far too many guys come here and think pace and bounce means you have to bowl short and blast guys out. The good guys who come here work out real quick you let the lift off a length do the work for you. For sure, have a short plan for when guys are set and you need something different, but it should never ever be your main plan.
The gabba is a good batting deck disguised as a bowling deck. you have to work hard and hit your lengths over and over.
its all relevant, well not so much the tripe @NTA posted about McCaw
also filling in time until England's next humiliation which is over a week away..im loathe to agree with you but you are right, the pitches and conditions over there mean you have to bowl with patience and the right length. Which is why Hadlee did so well.
Why McGrath had such a great career, bowl around 4th stump on a nagging length and watch the batsmen take the bait. -
@Virgil said in Ashes 2025/6:
@mariner4life said in Ashes 2025/6:
as much as i am loath to give more oxygen to yet another fucking historical cricket discussion taking over another fucking thread
if you are going to turn up to australia as a 130km swing bowler you are going to have a shitty time.
And as a touring bowler, you can't get carried away with the pace and bounce. i have seen far too many guys come here and think pace and bounce means you have to bowl short and blast guys out. The good guys who come here work out real quick you let the lift off a length do the work for you. For sure, have a short plan for when guys are set and you need something different, but it should never ever be your main plan.
The gabba is a good batting deck disguised as a bowling deck. you have to work hard and hit your lengths over and over.
its all relevant, well not so much the tripe @NTA posted about McCaw
also filling in time until England's next humiliation which is over a week away..im loathe to agree with you but you are right, the pitches and conditions over there mean you have to bowl with patience and the right length. Which is why Hadlee did so well.
Why McGrath had such a great career, bowl around 4th stump on a nagging length and watch the batsmen take the bait.He would be THE most consistently accurate bowler I've ever seen, even more so than Paddles.
Seven brilliant batsmen, him, Warne and a couple of others who were more than decent.....it's no wonder they demolished all before them.
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@MN5 said in Ashes 2025/6:
@Virgil said in Ashes 2025/6:
while im digging, had a look at NZ's bowlers record in Oz...
min 250 balls bowled. We havent had the same number of opportunities to tour there of course.
Ignoring obvious part timers, though allowing Coney...Paddles as we know = GOAT
Coney 6 wickets @ 18.00
Wagner 17 wickets @ 22.76
Dayle Hadlee 8 wickets @ 28.75then it gets ugly..
Cairns Snr 15 wickets @ 35.86
Chats 9 wickets @ 37.55
Vettori 36 wickets @ 38.22
Boult 18 wickets @ 38.33
Cairns Jnr 28 wickets @ 39.03
Southee 28 wickets @ 40.00
Coldplay 20 wickets @ 41.00
Doull 11 wickets @ 46.45
Danny Morrison 15 wickets @ 61.40!!DK was SO much better than his stats suggested.
His stats should be adjusted.
Another deal making Frenchie in here?
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@mariner4life said in Ashes 2025/6:
as much as i am loath to give more oxygen to yet another fucking historical cricket discussion taking over another fucking thread
if you are going to turn up to australia as a 130km swing bowler you are going to have a shitty time.
And as a touring bowler, you can't get carried away with the pace and bounce. i have seen far too many guys come here and think pace and bounce means you have to bowl short and blast guys out. The good guys who come here work out real quick you let the lift off a length do the work for you. For sure, have a short plan for when guys are set and you need something different, but it should never ever be your main plan.
The gabba is a good batting deck disguised as a bowling deck. you have to work hard and hit your lengths over and over.
We should leave Zac Foulkes at home next summer to ensure we're not tempted to play him.
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@NTA said in Ashes 2025/6:
Hazlewood ruled out for the series. Achilles.. He might be lucky to get back into Test cricket tbh.
So next game we've only got Cummins, Starc, Boland, and Lyon
We know what it’s like when you have a great set bowling attack and they slowly break apart, we went through that with Boult, Southee and Wagner
Re Hazelwood it’s not like you need him. Shit you haven’t needed Cummins and Lyon’s
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@Virgil said in Ashes 2025/6:
@Dodge said in Ashes 2025/6:
getting battered in the Ashes in Australia is unlike any other sporting experience, it just lasts so long and its so impossible to avoid. The sinking feeling of knowing you're going to have to stay off twitter, the BBC website, whatsapp because of all the bloody Aussies you've known in London over the years.
Watching us throw wickets away and place 'clever fields' after a couple of overs is depressing. Joe Root deserves so much better from those around him. I still think this team can win a test or two in this series but i don't think i can bring myself to watch...
its always amusing to me how every 4 years theres an expectation your team will win. Like the previous 15-20 years didnt happen.
On paper the English looked more than capable but you've not won a test in OZ since 2010/11.
Australia are fucking tough to beat at home no matter their situation, they seem to find another level when its the Ashes too.I think you're confusing expecting we will win with believing its possible. I don't know anyone who expected we would, plenty who believed we had a chance, however small.
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The rhetoric from England is so interesting. It's why cricket is great, you need to have a diploma in psychology to truly appreciate it at times. And the drama is so drawn out, it's slow playing over a month and a half.
So McCullum said that if anything they overtrained. Despite not listening to 'the noise', it's clear that's exactly what they did by scheduling more training sessions. Then they lose again, so McCullum basically says 'see, that's why my way is the right way, back in your fucking box we're going to Noosa'.
Stokes says Australia is not a place for weak men. Implying he himself is not weak, rather his teammates. He showed fight in the second innings, and by fight we in this case mean blocking balls on the stumps, waiting for the bad ball, absorbing pressure. But as others have pointed out, isn't he the architect (with McCullum) of Bazball? He can't seriously point the finger at his teammates for playing a style he himself has created and championed.
This is not just cricket, this is a personal crusade by McCullum and Stokes. In Baz's case it's an attempt to recast himself and his playing career as 'well he was right all along, it was the rest of us who just couldn't see'. And with Stokes it was about 'saving' cricket in England.
Now in some ways it's been wildly successful. We've gotten this far after all. But the crash seems like it's coming. This 2-0 is very different to the 2-0 in the last Ashes (where we scraped home from an epic 8th wicket partnership in the first test, and Stokes almost batted them to victory in the second).
But I think they will be telling themselves that winning 3-2 will actually be their greatest success, to pick yourself off the canvas and stick it up the chorus of naysayers. It's your back against the wall, telling yourself it's exactly where you want to be. I just wonder if this time they are facing a firing squad.
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@barbarian said in Ashes 2025/6:
In Baz's case it's an attempt to recast himself and his playing career as 'well he was right all along, it was the rest of us who just couldn't see'
his greatest individual moment in tests was scored at the most un-bazball strike rate of 54. remember that Brendan?
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They're even copping it on holiday
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@mariner4life said in Ashes 2025/6:
@barbarian said in Ashes 2025/6:
In Baz's case it's an attempt to recast himself and his playing career as 'well he was right all along, it was the rest of us who just couldn't see'
his greatest individual moment in tests was scored at the most un-bazball strike rate of 54. remember that Brendan?
His greatest individual moment in ODIs:
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@NTA said in Ashes 2025/6:
@MN5 said in Ashes 2025/6:
Then again, in 1999 Air New Zealand did paint a plane with the Otago/All Black front row so maybe we're almost as bad sometimes.
How quickly you all forget 1991 through to 2011...
How can you forget stuff that didn't happen?
