All Blacks 2026
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2026:
Wayne Smith, Clayton McMillan, Robbie Deans and Eddie Jones have publicly distanced themself from any future All Blacks involvement.
Dissapointed. The Fern meltdown would have caused the corn to pop itself.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2026:
Ryan has to go. We have to pick the best players and he was a big part of NOT doing that.
Wasn't Ryan leading the selection of the tight forwards and Razor the loose forwards - which I presume you Blues guys are mostly upset about?
I thought the tight forward selection was pretty much spot on.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2026:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2026:
Ryan has to go. We have to pick the best players and he was a big part of NOT doing that.
Wasn't Ryan leading the selection of the tight forwards and Razor the loose forwards - which I presume you Blues guys are mostly upset about?
I thought the tight forward selection was pretty much spot on.
I'd fire him just for mentioning Frizell coming back, you're likely defending him for the same reason.
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@Chris-B My dream scenario would be Steve Hansen coming back, knocking a few heads together but also showing empathy for the guys in squad and uniting them.
I think he's the one Head Coach just about anyone would want to work with. I think he could be a father figure to younger, talented Assistant Coaches.
But I can't see it happening. He seems pretty content to have moved on from the All Blacks.
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2026:
@Chris-B My dream scenario would be Steve Hansen coming back, knocking a few heads together but also showing empathy for the guys in squad and uniting them.
I think he's the one Head Coach just about anyone would want to work with. I think he could be a father figure to younger, talented Assistant Coaches.
But I can't see it happening. He seems pretty content to have moved on from the All Blacks.
I don't want him back as HC. His last two years weren't great. We stagnated, guys like Luatua were chased away, and it ended with capitulation in Yokohama. Maybe he and GH can help Kirk and Kev pick the next HC and the rest of the team
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@canefan That's not unfair. I think he lost his hunger in the last two years a bit and probably knows it. But before that he was an absolute top international sports coach.
But yeah, I think Jamie Joseph, Vern Cotter and Dave Rennie are still very interested in the All Blacks job. Perhaps one of Scott Hansen or Jason Ryan too. (But I wouldn't welcome either).
Hard to know about John Mitchell, Ronan O'Gara or Jacques Nienaber. They are dark horses but wouldn't be available until after the European season.
I think it will be Joseph, Cotter or Rennie. Maybe with one of those as a Senior Assistant Head Coach too.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2026:
@sparky said in All Blacks 2026:
@Chris-B My dream scenario would be Steve Hansen coming back, knocking a few heads together but also showing empathy for the guys in squad and uniting them.
I think he's the one Head Coach just about anyone would want to work with. I think he could be a father figure to younger, talented Assistant Coaches.
But I can't see it happening. He seems pretty content to have moved on from the All Blacks.
Maybe he and GH can help Kirk and Kev pick the next HC and the rest of the team
Graham Henry and Steve Hansen know how to lead the All Blacks to World Cup victory. You'd hope they be involved somehow in the selection of a new ABs Head Coach.
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@sparky I wouldn't be particularly averse to it (Hansen) - but, I take @His-Bobness' point.
As someone who is a similar age to the current proposed coaches, I don't really know anyone who wasn't significantly sharper a decade earlier when they were 50. And Steve is 66, while Fozzie is a bit younger at 60 and would have liked another go. A bit unlucky not to have walked into the sunset with a RWC.
Razor should have been the transition coach to a new generation, but it's been derailed.
So we're going back to the Boomer coaches! That's flattering, but a little bit fucked up, IMO.
I hope @Tim will at least fix their VHS recorders, or we'll be entirely fucked!
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@His-Bobness said in All Blacks 2026:
Why would Wayne Smith, aged 68, and semi-retired on the Gold Coast want another high pressure rugby gig at this time of his life?
He didn't even want a high pressure gig 20 years ago.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2026:
@sparky said in All Blacks 2026:
Wayne Smith, Clayton McMillan, Robbie Deans and Eddie Jones have publicly distanced themself from any future All Blacks involvement.
Dissapointed. The Fern meltdown would have caused the corn to pop itself.
There's still hope that old Fern favourites Cueball and Scotty Hansen might form a dream coaching team.
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I didn’t mean to sound ageist about Wayne, BTW. I am virtually the same age. I just know at this stage of life there are other things worth doing other than what I did for 40 years. On the other hand, if doing rugby coaching still invigorates him, go Wayne. My gut feeling is new ideas are needed. The toss-it-around-the-backyard like when we were kids ‘this is our DNA’ thing is a very romantic image, but I’m not sure it works at test level in professional rugby in this era, particularly if you can’t catch the ball. Razor clearly was seduced by it as a marketing image, but I really think that was the problem all along with the generational change idea.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2026:
In all honesty, I wouldn't be particularly unhappy for Fozzie to come back as head coach
Why when he is doing so well in Japan? I guess he could pull the ABs back to fourth in the rankings though, so there is that...
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@ARHS said in All Blacks 2026:
I would like to see Rennie and Joseph paired in the role, with Leon as assistant.
Have you noticed Leon's coaching record in Japan?
https://league-one.jp/en/news/135
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@His-Bobness It made sense when our players had better handling skills and were fitter than their opponents. The best international sides have caught up so it doesn't any more.
Also everyone knew that was exactly how we were going to play so they developed counters for it.
So we need something smarter and more cunning.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2026:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2026:
In all honesty, I wouldn't be particularly unhappy for Fozzie to come back as head coach
Why when he is doing so well in Japan? I guess he could pull the ABs back to fourth in the rankings though, so there is that...
The Fern had misgivings about Fozzie; no test level HC experience, uninspiring SR HC record, the perception that he was part of a dying coaching tree that had run its course by the end of 2019. He almost walked away with RWC19, but let's not forget that all of our misgivings played out over most of his tenure and almost got him fired but for his players standing up for him
