All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2

[taniwharugby]

@Donsteppa said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:

Fucking infringing Lions. If Gatland mentions All Black infringements again this week he can have his citizenship stripped.

Yep, SBW was dumb as fuck, Vunipola hitting BB as he did was pretty deliberate as well as dumb, should have resulted in same card.

I really hope we address the off side line, I don't recal Read asking for a warning after repeated infringements, I mean i didn't even know Itoje played for us.

Simple fact is, ref let them away with it, it worked in denying us any continuity or go forward, you ain't gonna stop unless on a warning.

Also interesting to see if anything comes from the swinging arm to Naholo, looked largely accidental, but we are all about protecting the head now.

[booboo]

@Bones oops sorry @Bones that should have read "Can't answer question on consistency ..."

[booboo]

@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:

@Donsteppa said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:

Fucking infringing Lions. If Gatland mentions All Black infringements again this week he can have his citizenship stripped.

Yep, SBW was dumb as fuck, Vunipola hitting BB as he did was pretty deliberate as well as dumb, should have resulted in same card.

I really hope we address the off side line, I don't recal Read asking for a warning after repeated infringements, I mean i didn't even know Itoje played for us.

Simple fact is, ref let them away with it, it worked in denying us any continuity or go forward, you ain't gonna stop unless on a warning.

Also interesting to see if anything comes from the swinging arm to Naholo, looked largely accidental, but we are all about protecting the head now.

Realistcally Dub's was accidental too. Didn't think tgere eas a distinction.

[pakman]

@Crash said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:

@Crucial said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:

I doubt some of the anger will have washed away overnight but I'm going to make the comment anyway.

When the head contact directives came in we all said it was only going to be a matter of time before a test was ruined because of them.

Now SBW should certainly have been more careful knowing the directives and should have realised the dangerous situation he was getting into. He must certainly take the blame.

However, before the directives that would have been a YC. Clumsy accidental contact to the head. A lot of posters are carrying on as if that was a deliberate shoulder charge. It was a tackle assist executed dangerously.

Yep completely agree - tackle assist, poor execution careless and a YC - new protocols introduced have changed our game completely and not always for the better. Amazingly enough, Watson passed his HIA, but Naholo failed his.

Quite similar in essence to TKB YC for Maori. I think it's fair to say that had TKB and SBW been the only tackers it is almost certain they would have used arms. Perhaps a technical issue AB wise men ought to address in training?

[Crucial]

@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:

@Crucial said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:

@Bones said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:

I'm speechless anyone could think SBW was clumsy and that was accidental. You guys watching on a 2 inch screen in old school SD?

So you think he deliberately targeted the head with his shoulder?

I don't believe he did , but I do think he was trying to be aggressive and there wasn't enough thought going into it, it's like the driver going through a red light because he isn't concentrating enough , you have to be a lot smarter than that .

I don't disagree with that. It looked to me like a split second decision to go in and help Naholo out but had incredibly high risk given the angle he was coming in and the lack of chance to get two arms in there. He fucked up for sure but I really don't think he deliberately aimed a shoulder at the head. He aimed a shoulder into the players to make an impact but the risk of contacting head was too high and happened.

[rotated]

I hope Sonny takes the chance, and the AB management give him he opportunity to front media in the debrief this morning NZT.

[taniwharugby]

@booboo I think it was dumb because of the situation with another tackler already involved, sure the shoulder was accidental, but given the situation he only needed to wrap it up, no big hit required, whereas Vunipola needn't have even touched BB at all

[taniwharugby]

Oh and what's the go with this Sinckler cnut? Is he the tour tough guy? Twice last night he had his own players rush to pull him away from a scuffle, and now allegedly an incident in the tunnel involving him and surprise surprise, TJP, which started by Sinckler refusing to walk through the tunnel of players after the game

[Megweya]

@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:

This is a very special side. I can't think of another international side who could have competed against this BIL side with a man down for so long. And almost win it.

It was an immense bloody-minded effort, but the 2nd-half first-20 minute penalty-deluge was what let NZ stay in the game - a coherent national side like England or Ireland would not have allowed that to happen.

.. sending off. In real time I thought it was a yellow. On reflection red was the correct call.

Real-time, the main side-view camera meant it was hard to see.
All other angles made it so clear that it is hard to believe a few people query it.

Doing something so dumb is normally only seen from an over-eager novice
or someone on 70 minutes whose brain is oxygen-starved after 5 minutes of non-stop play.

SBW deserves the full criticism for this specific action.
It seems like some people are using it to unload a back-log of criticism.

Wellington police need to be informed that Itoje has appropriated McCaw's Cloak of Invisibility.

Itoje: educated at Harrow - maybe in some of the dark arts of Hogwarts-McCawesome-ball-expelliarmus?

But hopefully Gatland realises that he got out of jail with this result.

Too true.

[kiwiinmelb]

as a youngster in league leading with the shoulder was his trademark tackle , it was legal then and no one did it better, apparently he did it through his rep juniors.
I still get the impression with him its almost his instinctive technique , and he has to conitually fight that urge .
He fucked up for sure , and deserves the criticism

[taniwharugby]

@Megweya haha, although I think McCaw was a bit more subtle in his actions, Itoje could been wearing a black jersey and would have been offside as much as McCaw

[Wreck Diver]

@taniwharugby the guys a prize bell end and yes he does think he's a real tough guy

[SammyC]

@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:

Oh and what's the go with this Sinckler cnut? Is he the tour tough guy? Twice last night he had his own players rush to pull him away from a scuffle, and now allegedly an incident in the tunnel involving him and surprise surprise, TJP, which started by Sinckler refusing to walk through the tunnel of players after the game

Perenara should suck it up and stop acting like a crying bitch

We lost and need to be humble about it

Seen plenty of yahooing and pats on the head from him when the Hurricanes win or get a call their way.

[Bones]

Oh and I'm interested to hear from the Savea knockers regarding Ioane. You know, the ones that always have a go at him for sticking out in the wing and/or not getting involved enough, because apparently if you're a winger it's really easy to make play go your way.

[taniwharugby]

@SammyC yep, his arm flapping and all round behaviour reminds me of Peter Stringer who I thought was a cnut!

[Donsteppa]

@Bones said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:

Oh and I'm interested to hear from the Savea knockers regarding Ioane. You know, the ones that always have a go at him for sticking out in the wing and/or not getting involved enough, because apparently if you're a winger it's really easy to make play go your way.

Sure. Workrate when the play does go his way would be nice.

We might well get to see him attempt it in the third test.

[scruffy-lookin]

@Billy-Tell it wasn't necessarily foul play but it was a pin-point swinging arm to the temple. It's hard to judge intent but it certainly warranted further investigation.

[Billy Tell]

@scruffy-lookin said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:

@Billy-Tell it wasn't necessarily foul play but it was a pin-point swinging arm to the temple. It's hard to judge intent but it certainly warranted further investigation.

There's a citing process. If you guys are all correct, then we will see more than SBW in front of the judiciary. If we don't, then maybe time to reconsider your stance?

If we're talking about the ref, Farrell was taken late, and the penalty in the first half for Vunipola apparently not supporting his body weight was an incredibly harsh call.

And I don't think Sinckler jumped into the tackle, he jumped to catch the ball, and Faumuina had pre-anticipated his tackle. It was a harsh enough penalty, but if the shoe had been on the other foot, I would have taken it.

I think Ayoub was trying to suggest red card to Garces for the Vunipola challenge, but the way they communicate is so oblique always require deciphering, especially the Frenchies for whom English is not their first language.

[Crucial]

@scruffy-lookin said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:

@Billy-Tell it wasn't necessarily foul play but it was a pin-point swinging arm to the temple. It's hard to judge intent but it certainly warranted further investigation.

Intent doesn't come into it (to start with). You are expected to take care that your actions don't contact the head in a dangerous manner.
Swinging an arm in as an arriving tackle assist is lack of care.
IIRC the contact was on the jaw like a KO in fighting.

[kiwiinmelb]

Nothing like a loss to bring some life into the forum ,

I get the impression its going to be a long week