All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3
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Well, that was pretty exciting and given that I hate losing far more than I like winning, I'm remarkably sanguine about the result.
I think some of you guys are being pretty harsh on the execution. The Lions defence was extremely good - no weak links - and I think the ABs decided they needed some pieces of magic to score. Maybe a lack of patience at times, but the two tries we scored both had a fair degree of magic to them - especially the second one. Taking pop passes into a close defensive line and getting smashed isn't the best way of retaining the ball - but, it's also a good way of breaking the line. On another night we could have scored four or five tries - we certainly created opportunities - especially in the first half.
I haven't really seen a massive decline in Hansen's coaching - we just came up against a team chock full of talented players and with the depth to match and possibly better the advantage we usually get from the subs bench - particularly once we lost a few players.
On the final penalty, I guess Poite will give a Gallic shrug and say something like "Il n’est pas la bonne décision, mais c’est la belle décision."
Which means, "It is not the right decision, but it is the beautiful decision." At least that's what I typed into Babelfish to get that result!
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It would've been great to have had Luatua out there in the last 30 minutes - speed, power, and an effective offloading game. Could've broken up the Lions' defence, which would've been crucial. He was brilliant at that when he played against the Lions.
Steve Hansen wouldn't select him, even though the Lions series is apparently the ultimate in rugby. Arrogant selections cost him last year too - he's the only NZ coach to have lost to Ireland. That sort of hubris and arrogance hasn't been seen since John Mitchell.
@Tim c'mon mate, you're bordering on trolling.
We know your love for Blues players, but you may have gone overboard on that assessment of Hansen.Hansens loyalty has to be earned, and Luatua did himself zero favours a couple years back turning up unfit as he did
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Winning the 2015 world cup has made people very soft.
We played like garbage in this series. We lost to Ireland last year, and were lucky that Australia and South Africa were so bad.
If you don't get upset about drawing a three match series at home then there's something wrong with you.
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On the final non-penalty.
I watched that in a bar, with poor sound, assuming it was for obstruction. Then giy in urinal after match is talked by about accidental offside? I deferred to him assuming he could hear the audio ....Yeah, well .,.,, rugby huh
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@Tim c'mon mate, you're bordering on trolling.
We know your love for Blues players, but you may have gone overboard on that assessment of Hansen.Hansens loyalty has to be earned, and Luatua did himself zero favours a couple years back turning up unfit as he did
@Gunner He's contracted to the NZRU so play him. Other players are buggering off and Hansen doesn't take the time to criticise them personally in the media.
The non-selection was arrogant, and the team is performing poorly. You use your best players, you don't pretend you're too good for them and lose at home.
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Someone needs to send that Poite dialogue to Cheika and the Scots, a decision like that was missing in the WC quarter final....
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Could be an interesting season with a few more twists and turns yet ,
Havent seen them myself, but all reports are saying the Boks are turning the corner ,and starting to look the real deal
England at twickers later on -
Well, that was pretty exciting and given that I hate losing far more than I like winning, I'm remarkably sanguine about the result.
I think some of you guys are being pretty harsh on the execution. The Lions defence was extremely good - no weak links - and I think the ABs decided they needed some pieces of magic to score. Maybe a lack of patience at times, but the two tries we scored both had a fair degree of magic to them - especially the second one. Taking pop passes into a close defensive line and getting smashed isn't the best way of retaining the ball - but, it's also a good way of breaking the line. On another night we could have scored four or five tries - we certainly created opportunities - especially in the first half.
I haven't really seen a massive decline in Hansen's coaching - we just came up against a team chock full of talented players and with the depth to match and possibly better the advantage we usually get from the subs bench - particularly once we lost a few players.
On the final penalty, I guess Poite will give a Gallic shrug and say something like "Il n’est pas la bonne décision, mais c’est la belle décision."
Which means, "It is not the right decision, but it is the beautiful decision." At least that's what I typed into Babelfish to get that result!
@Chris-B. Agree that the ABs had to try passes under pressure to try and create space. So a few mistakes understandable.
You have to feel we played more rugby this time and deserved victory. That Poite changed his mind under pressure and got a simple decision wrong was disappointing. Sometimes you need luck or balance and we probably ended up on the wrong side of the ledger.
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Could be an interesting season with a few more twists and turns yet ,
Havent seen them myself, but all reports are saying the Boks are turning the corner ,and starting to look the real deal
England at twickers later on@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Could be an interesting season with a few more twists and turns yet ,
Havent seen them myself, but all reports are saying the Boks are turning the corner ,and starting to look the real deal
England at twickers later onEngland isn't until next year.
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Could be an interesting season with a few more twists and turns yet ,
Havent seen them myself, but all reports are saying the Boks are turning the corner ,and starting to look the real deal
England at twickers later onEngland isn't until next year.
@Rapido said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Could be an interesting season with a few more twists and turns yet ,
Havent seen them myself, but all reports are saying the Boks are turning the corner ,and starting to look the real deal
England at twickers later onEngland isn't until next year.
ok
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Could be an interesting season with a few more twists and turns yet ,
Havent seen them myself, but all reports are saying the Boks are turning the corner ,and starting to look the real deal
England at twickers later on@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
England at twickers later on
Fuck England. Fluffybunnies. We'll smoke 'em!
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Perenara was poor, again tonight. He's obviously got talent but far too often is found wanting when the pressure is on.
The concern is that we don't really have someone knocking on the door underneath Smith and him. I would've kept Smith for the 80 tonight.
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I am pretty drunk and angry so take this with a grain of salt:
I thought in the last few minutes of the test Poite was pretty terrible.
He made a decision about a penalty for offside, which for some reason he decided not to play advantage for.
He then decided to refer the PK upstairs, which he had basis in law to do so.
He then saw that the PK was correct (even if harsh) but he felt bad about it because it was marginal and felt because it would decide the series he reversed his decision and awarded a scrum instead.
It was a clear penalty. He just bottled it due to a lack of balls.
I think we had plenty of chances to win in the first half, but even so; I'm pretty miffed about it.
Perhaps when I've sobered up I might have a different view.
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Perenara was poor, again tonight. He's obviously got talent but far too often is found wanting when the pressure is on.
The concern is that we don't really have someone knocking on the door underneath Smith and him. I would've kept Smith for the 80 tonight.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Perenara was poor, again tonight. He's obviously got talent but far too often is found wanting when the pressure is on.
The concern is that we don't really have someone knocking on the door underneath Smith and him. I would've kept Smith for the 80 tonight.
I said to the mrs and oldies just after half time, I wouldn't sub any of those backs on (while the camera showed them)... none of them would have offered any impact IMO... No point making changes just coz you can...
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I am pretty drunk and angry so take this with a grain of salt:
I thought in the last few minutes of the test Poite was pretty terrible.
He made a decision about a penalty for offside, which for some reason he decided not to play advantage for.
He then decided to refer the PK upstairs, which he had basis in law to do so.
He then saw that the PK was correct (even if harsh) but he felt bad about it because it was marginal and felt because it would decide the series he reversed his decision and awarded a scrum instead.
It was a clear penalty. He just bottled it due to a lack of balls.
I think we had plenty of chances to win in the first half, but even so; I'm pretty miffed about it.
Perhaps when I've sobered up I might have a different view.
@Damo said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
He then decided to refer the PK upstairs, which he had basis in law to do so.
Actually he didn't. He had the right to refer to the TMO for Read possibly taking out the Lions player in the air, which is what he initially went to the TMO for. However, he had no right to seek clarification on the penalty that was already awarded.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Perenara was poor, again tonight. He's obviously got talent but far too often is found wanting when the pressure is on.
The concern is that we don't really have someone knocking on the door underneath Smith and him. I would've kept Smith for the 80 tonight.
I said to the mrs and oldies just after half time, I wouldn't sub any of those backs on (while the camera showed them)... none of them would have offered any impact IMO... No point making changes just coz you can...
@Gunner I didn't mind the Fekitoa one. He's been a good sub in the past and has provided impact. He didn't look to bad I thought. Bent the line on the couple of runs he got. Good defence as well.
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@Damo said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
He then decided to refer the PK upstairs, which he had basis in law to do so.
Actually he didn't. He had the right to refer to the TMO for Read possibly taking out the Lions player in the air, which is what he initially went to the TMO for. However, he had no right to seek clarification on the penalty that was already awarded.
@akan004 said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Damo said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
He then decided to refer the PK upstairs, which he had basis in law to do so.
Actually he didn't. He had the right to refer to the TMO for Read possibly taking out the Lions player in the air, which is what he initially went to the TMO for. However, he had no right to seek clarification on the penalty that was already awarded.
Sure he had the right to refer about possible foul play. But once he determined there wasn't foul play he had no basis to then change his original decision. And in any case it is clear that his original decision was correct anyway.
I think we are in agreement.
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@akan004 said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Damo said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
He then decided to refer the PK upstairs, which he had basis in law to do so.
Actually he didn't. He had the right to refer to the TMO for Read possibly taking out the Lions player in the air, which is what he initially went to the TMO for. However, he had no right to seek clarification on the penalty that was already awarded.
Sure he had the right to refer about possible foul play. But once he determined there wasn't foul play he had no basis to then change his original decision. And in any case it is clear that his original decision was correct anyway.
I think we are in agreement.
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Well, I needed to go our dinner and then walk home to calm down after that. And I'm still pissed.
What I find galling is the opposite-ness of this test to the previous one.
We have a player binned for a shot to the head (which was arguably fair or a penalty at least, but first contact was made with the ball), they don't have a player binned for a shot to the head and then he gets off at the judiciary (which I don't have a problem with).
We have a last minute penalty which is a correct decision even if harsh, then it is overturned, they get a penalty which is the correct decision even if harsh. I don't know where the lack of advantage played fits into it for them though ... I doubt they were in a position to score.
I'm unsure how a ref can bottle it like that. Add in the fact that two of the last three scrums seem to be refereed completely opposite to each other and I don't think anyone can claim he had an ok night.
Thought Jordie had a good game and he was one I was worried about. Fatty was ok, not as bad as some are making out, but not as good as his fluffer's are claiming - he dropped a sitter.
