Things that annoy you about rugby...
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Curmudgeonly of me I know and also off at a tangent, but my biggest gripe about rugby is there's too friggin much of it.
Necessary evil I know but first club rugby became largely meaningless, then the NPC, then Super (insert inflated number) and now we play way too many tests.
TBH by the time the EOYT comes around I'm largely over it - not that I miss a game - but its definitely a case of familiarity breeding contempt.
Aussie - yawn Boks - really, again?
France ho-hum.Thankfully the Celtic nations have stepped up to inject some interest
Oh yeah - and bring back the oranges at half time
@dogmeat said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
Curmudgeonly of me I know and also off at a tangent, but my biggest gripe about rugby is there's too friggin much of it.
Necessary evil I know but first club rugby became largely meaningless, then the NPC, then Super (insert inflated number) and now we play way too many tests.
TBH by the time the EOYT comes around I'm largely over it - not that I miss a game - but its definitely a case of familiarity breeding contempt.
Aussie - yawn Boks - really, again?
France ho-hum.Thankfully the Celtic nations have stepped up to inject some interest
Oh yeah - and bring back the oranges at half time
We try our best to keep you happy.
The oranges yiz will have to buy yourselves - we only grow spuds, leeks and haggis.
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@kiwipie said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@taniwharugby said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@majorrage said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
Whatever happened to the halfbacks hands are on the ball, therefore it's out?
I know it's previously been mentioned, but the epic rolls / taps / movements / replacements of the ball this weekend in all games by the scrum halves was bloody shocking.
Quite ridiculous.
This, again
I third that statement. Can see why they now allow the 9 to get hands on and not be rushed but those cheeky 9s are just taking the piss. I reckon once you roll that ball it should be fair game.
Honest question: if the ball is behind the last attackers' foot of a ruck just sitting there I can see nothing in the laws -- or the various 'clarifications' -- which indicates that it is still in the ruck. The ref's interpret the halfback as not being in possession (rolling or no rolling) until the ball is off the ground. So no sacking of halfback. But what is to stop a defending oppo player simply falling on the ball (once the ball is out it seem to me that the offside line ceases to exist)?
@pakman said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@kiwipie said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@taniwharugby said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@majorrage said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
Whatever happened to the halfbacks hands are on the ball, therefore it's out?
I know it's previously been mentioned, but the epic rolls / taps / movements / replacements of the ball this weekend in all games by the scrum halves was bloody shocking.
Quite ridiculous.
This, again
I third that statement. Can see why they now allow the 9 to get hands on and not be rushed but those cheeky 9s are just taking the piss. I reckon once you roll that ball it should be fair game.
Honest question: if the ball is behind the last attackers' foot of a ruck just sitting there I can see nothing in the laws -- or the various 'clarifications' -- which indicates that it is still in the ruck. The ref's interpret the halfback as not being in possession (rolling or no rolling) until the ball is off the ground. So no sacking of halfback. But what is to stop a defending oppo player simply falling on the ball (once the ball is out it seem to me that the offside line ceases to exist)?
You may need to re-read the ruck laws. 16.4(e)
You may not fall on a ball coming out of the ruck.
Pretty sure this is to stop guys launching themselves at the halfback's feet as he reaches to pick it up.
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@pakman said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@kiwipie said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@taniwharugby said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@majorrage said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
Whatever happened to the halfbacks hands are on the ball, therefore it's out?
I know it's previously been mentioned, but the epic rolls / taps / movements / replacements of the ball this weekend in all games by the scrum halves was bloody shocking.
Quite ridiculous.
This, again
I third that statement. Can see why they now allow the 9 to get hands on and not be rushed but those cheeky 9s are just taking the piss. I reckon once you roll that ball it should be fair game.
Honest question: if the ball is behind the last attackers' foot of a ruck just sitting there I can see nothing in the laws -- or the various 'clarifications' -- which indicates that it is still in the ruck. The ref's interpret the halfback as not being in possession (rolling or no rolling) until the ball is off the ground. So no sacking of halfback. But what is to stop a defending oppo player simply falling on the ball (once the ball is out it seem to me that the offside line ceases to exist)?
You may need to re-read the ruck laws. 16.4(e)
You may not fall on a ball coming out of the ruck.
Pretty sure this is to stop guys launching themselves at the halfback's feet as he reaches to pick it up.
@chester-draws said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@pakman said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@kiwipie said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@taniwharugby said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@majorrage said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
Whatever happened to the halfbacks hands are on the ball, therefore it's out?
I know it's previously been mentioned, but the epic rolls / taps / movements / replacements of the ball this weekend in all games by the scrum halves was bloody shocking.
Quite ridiculous.
This, again
I third that statement. Can see why they now allow the 9 to get hands on and not be rushed but those cheeky 9s are just taking the piss. I reckon once you roll that ball it should be fair game.
Honest question: if the ball is behind the last attackers' foot of a ruck just sitting there I can see nothing in the laws -- or the various 'clarifications' -- which indicates that it is still in the ruck. The ref's interpret the halfback as not being in possession (rolling or no rolling) until the ball is off the ground. So no sacking of halfback. But what is to stop a defending oppo player simply falling on the ball (once the ball is out it seem to me that the offside line ceases to exist)?
You may need to re-read the ruck laws. 16.4(e)
You may not fall on a ball coming out of the ruck.
Pretty sure this is to stop guys launching themselves at the halfback's feet as he reaches to pick it up.
Quite right. Forgot that one. However, I'd argue that once the ball is sitting stationary behind the ruck it is no longer 'coming out' and ought to be fair game.
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In fact there was an example of that in Oz Scotland match. Scottie grabbed it and ref said something like, 'That was OK, ball was out'.
@pakman said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
In fact there was an example of that in Oz Scotland match. Scottie grabbed it and ref said something like, 'That was OK, ball was out'.
the frustrating thing is that sometimes you cop a YC for cynical, when it is a bit of timing. Usually for slow ball, too.
Yes, I'm still pissed about Isaac Ross getting done in SA a few years ago. Not sure why it sticks, but I thought it was pretty harsh. Must have been 2009... and google confirms my biases/privilege/memory:
http://www.rugbydump.com/2009/08/1028/the-isaac-ross-yellow-card-against-the-springboks
that still looks harsh to me
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@mooshld said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@rebound said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
Players being allowed to roll when on the ground, preventing the player on his feet from playing the ball. Should be a penalty like it always used to be. but now you can roll, crawl and whatever you please and its play on. Here I thought rugby is a game played on your feet
Hate this so much along with this "not held" rubbish. If you're tackled and not held you should still have to release the ball before you get to your feet to continue. It would make it so much easier to ref. Its a no brainer.
Or simply ref to the law. If a tackle has been made and your knee hits the ground it shouldn't mean you can get up and have another go. Most of these 'not held' calls are bullshit and you can see a clear moment when tackler is in contact with ball carrier and ball carrier is in contact with the ground off his feet.
@crucial said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@mooshld said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@rebound said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
Players being allowed to roll when on the ground, preventing the player on his feet from playing the ball. Should be a penalty like it always used to be. but now you can roll, crawl and whatever you please and its play on. Here I thought rugby is a game played on your feet
Hate this so much along with this "not held" rubbish. If you're tackled and not held you should still have to release the ball before you get to your feet to continue. It would make it so much easier to ref. Its a no brainer.
Or simply ref to the law. If a tackle has been made and your knee hits the ground it shouldn't mean you can get up and have another go. Most of these 'not held' calls are bullshit and you can see a clear moment when tackler is in contact with ball carrier and ball carrier is in contact with the ground off his feet.
Did and Irishman come up with this ‘not held’ interpretation?
If you hold onto the bugger you’ll get penalised, but if you don’t hold him he’s allowed to play on...
You’re fooked either way!
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@pakman said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
In fact there was an example of that in Oz Scotland match. Scottie grabbed it and ref said something like, 'That was OK, ball was out'.
the frustrating thing is that sometimes you cop a YC for cynical, when it is a bit of timing. Usually for slow ball, too.
Yes, I'm still pissed about Isaac Ross getting done in SA a few years ago. Not sure why it sticks, but I thought it was pretty harsh. Must have been 2009... and google confirms my biases/privilege/memory:
http://www.rugbydump.com/2009/08/1028/the-isaac-ross-yellow-card-against-the-springboks
that still looks harsh to me
@nzzp said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@pakman said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
In fact there was an example of that in Oz Scotland match. Scottie grabbed it and ref said something like, 'That was OK, ball was out'.
the frustrating thing is that sometimes you cop a YC for cynical, when it is a bit of timing. Usually for slow ball, too.
Yes, I'm still pissed about Isaac Ross getting done in SA a few years ago. Not sure why it sticks, but I thought it was pretty harsh. Must have been 2009... and google confirms my biases/privilege/memory:
http://www.rugbydump.com/2009/08/1028/the-isaac-ross-yellow-card-against-the-springboks
that still looks harsh to me
Agree. So'oialo was calling to Ross that ball was out. I don't think it was even penalty, but certainly not YC. Strong Bok pack that day.
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Things that annoy you about rugby?
The death of rucking...and therefore a lack of this..
https://www.facebook.com/oldnpcrugby/videos/1667718543260714/
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How far refs (and TMOs) will go to not call something a knock-on in a try scoring movement. It's like you need to knock it 20m forwards with 3 hands wearing oversized comedy gloves for then to actually make a call.
Also. I hate the "went straight down" rule (if it is a rule?).
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Things that annoy you about rugby?
The death of rucking...and therefore a lack of this..
https://www.facebook.com/oldnpcrugby/videos/1667718543260714/
Great clip. Not to many people keen to lie around the back of those rucks. Man I miss rugby in the old days. At school in the sheds after a game we wore the stripes from rucking like a badge of fucking honor! If you didn't get tagged you probably didn't play.
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How far refs (and TMOs) will go to not call something a knock-on in a try scoring movement. It's like you need to knock it 20m forwards with 3 hands wearing oversized comedy gloves for then to actually make a call.
Also. I hate the "went straight down" rule (if it is a rule?).
@rapido said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
How far refs (and TMOs) will go to not call something a knock-on in a try scoring movement. It's like you need to knock it 20m forwards with 3 hands wearing oversized comedy gloves for then to actually make a call.
Also. I hate the "went straight down" rule (if it is a rule?).
Not a rule, just an explanation to the arm flappers.
I always think knock ons should be clear and obvious unlike the league interpretation where any loss of control is deemed a knock on.
In Union the ball must travel toward the opposition try line for it to be a KO. Leaving the ball behind you is not a KO
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Just watching Cheetahs v Munster. I know most halfbacks do it, but I don't recall any doing it quite to the degree Murray does.. Why is he allowed to roll the ball half a metre out of the breakdown and still have it protected? Ref's calling "use it" as though the ball is available from the breakdown, when in reality it's a long way out and should be free for all.
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Just watching Cheetahs v Munster. I know most halfbacks do it, but I don't recall any doing it quite to the degree Murray does.. Why is he allowed to roll the ball half a metre out of the breakdown and still have it protected? Ref's calling "use it" as though the ball is available from the breakdown, when in reality it's a long way out and should be free for all.
@bones said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
Just watching Cheetahs v Munster. I know most halfbacks do it, but I don't recall any doing it quite to the degree Murray does.. Why is he allowed to roll the ball half a metre out of the breakdown and still have it protected? Ref's calling "use it" as though the ball is available from the breakdown, when in reality it's a long way out and should be free for all.
I think we discussed this when the Lions were here.
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@bones said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
Just watching Cheetahs v Munster. I know most halfbacks do it, but I don't recall any doing it quite to the degree Murray does.. Why is he allowed to roll the ball half a metre out of the breakdown and still have it protected? Ref's calling "use it" as though the ball is available from the breakdown, when in reality it's a long way out and should be free for all.
I think we discussed this when the Lions were here.
@nepia a little bit...
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Things that annoy you about rugby?
The death of rucking...and therefore a lack of this..
https://www.facebook.com/oldnpcrugby/videos/1667718543260714/
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@bones said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
Just watching Cheetahs v Munster. I know most halfbacks do it, but I don't recall any doing it quite to the degree Murray does.. Why is he allowed to roll the ball half a metre out of the breakdown and still have it protected? Ref's calling "use it" as though the ball is available from the breakdown, when in reality it's a long way out and should be free for all.
I think we discussed this when the Lions were here.
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Late to party but I wish 15s was ref'd like the 7s, with all the ball chucking and pretending that you thought the penalty went your way etc. 7s refs smash down on that, the game is faster and that is better to watch, more respectful and also good for Kiwi teams
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@bones was a number of occasions in the Blues game, when the ball was clearly out, even by todays standards, Ruru had hands on, roll it back a foot then kick/pass...that area is a joke at present.
@taniwharugby see I didn't notice it that much, it was just watching Murray do it last night I thought he was going to get smoked the first time I saw him do it as it was so far out of the breakdown, like a metre. Then the ref says it's still in. It was like Murray was making a parody of it at first. Nothing in the blues game came close that I saw.
