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reprobate

@Kirwan Yeah like dropping franks.

Winger

and it likely cost NZ another RWC. Its essential that NZ selects a head coach that is seen as being a fair selector where any players gets a fair go regardless of team. And stacking the team with 9 Crusaders starters does not achieve this. Henry did it (being seen as fair). As did Smith.

Kirwan

@reprobate 5 to 1 in our examples, and still persisted with Franks for two years when he was rubbish.

rotated

@Kirwan said in Hansen:

@reprobate 5 to 1 in our examples, and still persisted with Franks for two years when he was rubbish.

Crotty broken with no game time yet taken over in-form Laumape.

Kirwan

@Winger said in Hansen:

@Kirwan

and it likely cost NZ another RWC. Its essential that NZ selects a head coach that is seen as being a fair selector where any players gets a fair go regardless of team. And stacking the team with 9 Crusaders starters does not achieve this.

Unlikely to change much with the new CEO being an ex-Crusader.

gt12

I assume that he'll explain that this week we lost because of the shit coaching of Fozzie, Stormy, and Crono. If they were amazing last week, I assume it's due to them - in no small part (especially the fucking weak defense Stormy) - that we lost this week. I assume that will be mentioned at the presser.

antipodean

Imagine if our loose forwards were Luatua and Cane.

Godder

Bridge is too slow to be an international wing. Reece was fine, Beaunga isn't that bad. Cane should have started but we mostly lost that in the forwards, not the backs.

reprobate

@Kirwan said in Hansen:

@reprobate 5 to 1 in our examples, and still persisted with Franks for two years when he was rubbish.

Really? sbw was rubbish. Nepo was rubbish, ardie was rubbish, Brodie was outplayed, persisted with despite injury, TJ brought on early was rubbish, ALB did bugger all, jordie was crap. Where's the bias in that?

Kirwan

@Godder said in Hansen:

Bridge is too slow to be an international wing. Reece was fine, Beaunga isn't that bad. Cane should have started but we mostly lost that in the forwards, not the backs.

They made huge metres targeting where we were hiding Richie. Put us under huge pressure. Then he disappeared in the second half and BB tried to play two positions.

sparky

@antipodean said in Hansen:

Imagine if our loose forwards were Luatua and Cane.

Imagine a trio of Luatua, Cane and Vito with Ardie off the bench.

I think Ma'a Nonu would have done better than SBW off the bench too.

PecoTrain

@Winger said in Hansen:

Agree. Limited coach who only won game because of the quality of NZ players.

But his decision to stack the team with a number of very limited Crusaders players (including Barrett who is not a 6) was really his main downfall

So he's a limited coach because he had great players AND a poor coach because he picked such limited Canterbury players? Surely he must have been a brilliant coach to get limited Crusaders players to support the brilliant players sufficiently to win a few games here and there.

And if we are flat track bullies, world rugby must have been dire over the last four years.

Focussing on it as a provincial issue ignores players that were tried and either found wanting or who were injured. While it might make you feel better blaming another part of the country, it ignores any real issues that need to be addressed.

Godder

@Kirwan said in Hansen:

@Godder said in Hansen:

Bridge is too slow to be an international wing. Reece was fine, Beaunga isn't that bad. Cane should have started but we mostly lost that in the forwards, not the backs.

They made huge metres targeting where we were hiding Richie. Put us under huge pressure. Then he disappeared in the second half and BB tried to play two positions.

True, but I was meaning more as a squad tactic than the the SF specifically. Agree that in the SF, Richie needed to be pulled early or trade places with BB on defence (similar to what they used to do with Mehrtens).

reprobate

@Kirwan said in Hansen:

@Godder said in Hansen:

Bridge is too slow to be an international wing. Reece was fine, Beaunga isn't that bad. Cane should have started but we mostly lost that in the forwards, not the backs.

They made huge metres targeting where we were hiding Richie. Put us under huge pressure. Then he disappeared in the second half and BB tried to play two positions.

This is such ignorant bullshit. The 2 playmakers pattern has not Mounga and Barrett playing behind the line as dual fullbacks, they're not hiding Richie. It was exactly the same when jordie played 10. We're they hiding him too?

@Kirwan said in Hansen:

@Godder said in Hansen:

Bridge is too slow to be an international wing. Reece was fine, Beaunga isn't that bad. Cane should have started but we mostly lost that in the forwards, not the backs.

They made huge metres targeting where we were hiding Richie. Put us under huge pressure. Then he disappeared in the second half and BB tried to play two positions.

Chris

@Kirwan said in Hansen:

@shark said in Hansen:

A garbage post. Fucking garbage.

But time for a full coaching clean out now. Bring in Razor and give him full reign to choose his staff. McLeod may survive but I doubt Razor will want the baggage.

I think it’s time to step away from Crusader country.

We will, Foster will be the Coach same as Henry was reinstated The powers that be will drag out the Old you have to lose to know how to win Bullshit.

Chris

@SammyC said in Hansen:

Wait till the arrogant fucks at NZRU appoint foster as the next coach. We are in big trouble then

Yep it will be a done deal Foster will be appointed then we will need 12 years to fix that Fuck up

Bovidae

The new AB coach should be completely removed from the current setup and super rugby to have fresh eyes and no provincial loyalties.

rotated

@Chris said in Hansen:

We will, Foster will be the Coach same as Henry was reinstated The powers that be will drag out the Old you have to lose to know how to win Bullshit.

I'm not so sure. Two key differences...

From Paris 2004 to Cardiff 2007 the team was impeccable and had two tinny single digit losses in the republic (Rustenburg FFS) and our traditional loss in Australia in a RWC year. There was a pretty good argument that Cardiff was an aberration.
Ted was reappointed with Smith and Hansen on board and went up against Deans who could only find Pat Lam willing to work with him. Better coaches than Deans with better assistants than Lam will be apply for this job.

Chris

@rotated said in Hansen:

@Chris said in Hansen:

We will, Foster will be the Coach same as Henry was reinstated The powers that be will drag out the Old you have to lose to know how to win Bullshit.

I'm not so sure. Two key differences...

From Paris 2004 to Cardiff 2007 the team was impeccable and had two tinny single digit losses in the republic (Rustenburg FFS) and our traditional loss in Australia in a RWC year. There was a pretty good argument that Cardiff was an aberration.

Ted was reappointed with Smith and Hansen on board and went up against Deans who could only find Pat Lam willing to work with him. Better coaches than Deans with better assistants than Lam will be apply for this job.

Well lets see I am picking a Foster/Brown scenario

rotated

@Chris said in Hansen:

Well lets see I am picking a Foster/Brown scenario

A big tell will be how the NZRU structure the process. I've heard Brown rumoured for both a Foster and Robertson coaching tilt.

Hopefully there is clarity soon enough for Rennie to have a go too.

The Silver Fern

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