Springboks v All Blacks 2
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Every single player except BB contributed positively. I reckon nearly everyone made errors but who cares? They didn't let them get them down
Even BB contributed by getting carded and somehow galvanising the side.
Baby black front row huge. Locks big games. Shannon fucking Frizzell put in a shift. A Savea with key moments, S Cane a fucking warrior.
A Smith ran the ball which surprised the fuck out of the Boks. Mo'unga played a great passing game. Havili with some nice touches and a couple of good kicks. Ioane had a whale of a game at centre. Clarke is very difficult to handle. Jordan dealt with his kicks and took thr chance that led to the win. JBs best game for fucking ages, his game in the air was a massive change to last week.
Bench forwards all contributed. Tupaea played fucking flanker. Just a good team win.
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Every single player except BB contributed positively. I reckon nearly everyone made errors but who cares? They didn't let them get them down
I'd add that every single player seemed to step up and do something individual to change the momentum when it mattered - Jordan taking a high ball under huge pressure, Clarkes try-saving tackle, Sam & Scooter's lineout steals. You can go on.
Loads of mistakes and plenty to work on, but that was a team win.
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@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
That's a good win, and anyone not giving the coach and thr captain credit for it have given up all semblance of objectivity
Absolutely not. Although I have never been bagging Cane anyway, so I don't have to stop.
Your position appears to be that our season has been so far, by game: 1) excellent, 2) dire, 3) even more dire, 4) even direr yet, 5) excellent no worries at all, anywhere, we're good to go.
I'm not buying that any of our problems have been fixed, except by accident (BB being sore) and the injection of a good forwards coach (forced onto the head coach).
We're still playing two open-side flankers, a centre at wing, a terrible reserve hooker and an unreliable 2nd five. We still struggle with exit plays, drop the ball a lot, kick the ball poorly in general play and leak very soft tries.
Foster does this. His teams look excellent with the wind behind their sails and when things go well. Then suddenly, at the first sign of stormy weather, the boat goes down.
@Chester-Draws said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Foster does this. His teams look excellent with the wind behind their sails and when things go well. Then suddenly, at the first sign of stormy weather, the boat goes down.
If fronting up to the Boks at Ellis Park, having lost 5 Tests out of 6, being hammered the previous week and almost all of NZ calling for your head(s) on a plate isn't stormy weather, then I'd like to know what the fuck is. It wasn't error-free & it might not continue but last night's win was a huge test of character and they made the grade big-time.
Foster, his coaching staff, Cane and the whole team deserve huge credit for that win.
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@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
That's a good win, and anyone not giving the coach and thr captain credit for it have given up all semblance of objectivity
Absolutely not. Although I have never been bagging Cane anyway, so I don't have to stop.
Your position appears to be that our season has been so far, by game: 1) excellent, 2) dire, 3) even more dire, 4) even direr yet, 5) excellent no worries at all, anywhere, we're good to go.
I'm not buying that any of our problems have been fixed, except by accident (BB being sore) and the injection of a good forwards coach (forced onto the head coach).
We're still playing two open-side flankers, a centre at wing, a terrible reserve hooker and an unreliable 2nd five. We still struggle with exit plays, drop the ball a lot, kick the ball poorly in general play and leak very soft tries.
Foster does this. His teams look excellent with the wind behind their sails and when things go well. Then suddenly, at the first sign of stormy weather, the boat goes down.
@Chester-Draws said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I'm not buying that any of our problems have been fixed, except by accident (BB being sore) and the injection of a good forwards coach (forced onto the head coach).
I agree, there's loads more to work on.
And I don't buy the idea that Ryan has made instant, lasting improvements either - we have to wait and see f they are (hopefully) sustained.
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@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Every single player except BB contributed positively. I reckon nearly everyone made errors but who cares? They didn't let them get them down
I'd add that every single player seemed to step up and do something individual to change the momentum when it mattered - Jordan taking a high ball under huge pressure, Clarkes try-saving tackle, Sam & Scooter's lineout steals. You can go on.
Loads of mistakes and plenty to work on, but that was a team win.
@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Clarkes try-saving tackle
Was that the one where he did a regulation tackle on the guy he should be marking? Because he also did a try creating non tackle before it.
I've been really disappointed with Clarke. Missing that tackle on Am, not long before that he was running around getting knocked over at the slightest hint of a tackle. He's kinda shaping up as the Frizzell of the backs for me...
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@Chester-Draws said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I'm not buying that any of our problems have been fixed, except by accident (BB being sore) and the injection of a good forwards coach (forced onto the head coach).
I agree, there's loads more to work on.
And I don't buy the idea that Ryan has made instant, lasting improvements either - we have to wait and see f they are (hopefully) sustained.
@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Chester-Draws said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I'm not buying that any of our problems have been fixed, except by accident (BB being sore) and the injection of a good forwards coach (forced onto the head coach).
I agree, there's loads more to work on.
And I don't buy the idea that Ryan has made instant, lasting improvements either - we have to wait and see f they are (hopefully) sustained.
Just a coincidence that his arrival has seen a marked improvement in several aspects of forward play
.In fairness, the AB forwards had shown the ability to go up the guts in a couple of games (French Nov test being the best example), but this was a step up on anything I've seen from ABs since the Irish QF in RWC 2019.
If anything, it looks like Ryan has simplified what he wants the AB forwards to do. Reducing the complexity reduces the over thinking, which frees the players to express themselves.
It looked like the players played with a bit of freedom finally. The pack played like one too. Cohesive and following the plan. It has been a while since they have done that.
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@Chester-Draws said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I'm not buying that any of our problems have been fixed, except by accident (BB being sore) and the injection of a good forwards coach (forced onto the head coach).
I agree, there's loads more to work on.
And I don't buy the idea that Ryan has made instant, lasting improvements either - we have to wait and see f they are (hopefully) sustained.
@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Chester-Draws said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I'm not buying that any of our problems have been fixed, except by accident (BB being sore) and the injection of a good forwards coach (forced onto the head coach).
I agree, there's loads more to work on.
And I don't buy the idea that Ryan has made instant, lasting improvements either - we have to wait and see f they are (hopefully) sustained.
Telling quote from Ardie Savea:
“It’s a start, mate. The boys are stoked to get the dub (win), but in the back of my mind it’s only a start. Hopefully we can build on this, and take confidence. Jason [Ryan] has done an amazing job directing our forward pack where it needs to be.”
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Clarkes try-saving tackle
Was that the one where he did a regulation tackle on the guy he should be marking? Because he also did a try creating non tackle before it.
I've been really disappointed with Clarke. Missing that tackle on Am, not long before that he was running around getting knocked over at the slightest hint of a tackle. He's kinda shaping up as the Frizzell of the backs for me...
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Clarkes try-saving tackle
Was that the one where he did a regulation tackle on the guy he should be marking? Because he also did a try creating non tackle before it.
I've been really disappointed with Clarke. Missing that tackle on Am, not long before that he was running around getting knocked over at the slightest hint of a tackle. He's kinda shaping up as the Frizzell of the backs for me...
Yeah he very clearly got his hands on him and then just slid off very innocuously.
….but he did bust De Allende and Kolisi and burst up field pretty effectively.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Chester-Draws said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I'm not buying that any of our problems have been fixed, except by accident (BB being sore) and the injection of a good forwards coach (forced onto the head coach).
I agree, there's loads more to work on.
And I don't buy the idea that Ryan has made instant, lasting improvements either - we have to wait and see f they are (hopefully) sustained.
Telling quote from Ardie Savea:
“It’s a start, mate. The boys are stoked to get the dub (win), but in the back of my mind it’s only a start. Hopefully we can build on this, and take confidence. Jason [Ryan] has done an amazing job directing our forward pack where it needs to be.”
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Chester-Draws said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I'm not buying that any of our problems have been fixed, except by accident (BB being sore) and the injection of a good forwards coach (forced onto the head coach).
I agree, there's loads more to work on.
And I don't buy the idea that Ryan has made instant, lasting improvements either - we have to wait and see f they are (hopefully) sustained.
Just a coincidence that his arrival has seen a marked improvement in several aspects of forward play
.In fairness, the AB forwards had shown the ability to go up the guts in a couple of games (French Nov test being the best example), but this was a step up on anything I've seen from ABs since the Irish QF in RWC 2019.
If anything, it looks like Ryan has simplified what he wants the AB forwards to do. Reducing the complexity reduces the over thinking, which frees the players to express themselves.
It looked like the players played with a bit of freedom finally. The pack played like one too. Cohesive and following the plan. It has been a while since they have done that.
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Chester-Draws said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I'm not buying that any of our problems have been fixed, except by accident (BB being sore) and the injection of a good forwards coach (forced onto the head coach).
I agree, there's loads more to work on.
And I don't buy the idea that Ryan has made instant, lasting improvements either - we have to wait and see f they are (hopefully) sustained.
Just a coincidence that his arrival has seen a marked improvement in several aspects of forward play
.Way too early to tell IMHO and as @nostrildamus and others have rightly pointed out, you can't expect instant improvement from a replacement coach. Would love to see it continue, though, against Argentina. They are a different proposition and that would be great to see.
In fairness, the AB forwards had shown the ability to go up the guts in a couple of games (French Nov test being the best example), but this was a step up on anything I've seen from ABs since the Irish QF in RWC 2019.
But they did it at the right time last night, weren't playing catch-up and managed the flow of the game really well. But it was only one game....
If anything, it looks like Ryan has simplified what he wants the AB forwards to do. Reducing the complexity reduces the over thinking, which frees the players to express themselves.
.Maybe, it would be a sensible approach and a quick win..
It looked like the players played with a bit of freedom finally. The pack played like one too. Cohesive and following the plan. It has been a while since they have done that.
And it seemed to me that across the team, the players relaxed a bit more and stopped trying too hard. Heck, they actually looked to be enjoying themselves out there at times last night
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Like others on here I thought Frizell had a pretty good game, perhaps his best in black. He has put in some bloody big shifts against the Saders so I can see why they keep going back to him. Hopefully he can build on this effort.
I hate to say it because I really want the guy to succeed, but it was noticeable when Akira came on and took the ball flat footed a couple of times.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Chester-Draws said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I'm not buying that any of our problems have been fixed, except by accident (BB being sore) and the injection of a good forwards coach (forced onto the head coach).
I agree, there's loads more to work on.
And I don't buy the idea that Ryan has made instant, lasting improvements either - we have to wait and see f they are (hopefully) sustained.
Telling quote from Ardie Savea:
“It’s a start, mate. The boys are stoked to get the dub (win), but in the back of my mind it’s only a start. Hopefully we can build on this, and take confidence. Jason [Ryan] has done an amazing job directing our forward pack where it needs to be.”
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Chester-Draws said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I'm not buying that any of our problems have been fixed, except by accident (BB being sore) and the injection of a good forwards coach (forced onto the head coach).
I agree, there's loads more to work on.
And I don't buy the idea that Ryan has made instant, lasting improvements either - we have to wait and see f they are (hopefully) sustained.
Telling quote from Ardie Savea:
“It’s a start, mate. The boys are stoked to get the dub (win), but in the back of my mind it’s only a start. Hopefully we can build on this, and take confidence. Jason [Ryan] has done an amazing job directing our forward pack where it needs to be.”
And let's hope he continues the improvement. Don't want to sound negative, but I've been too jaded by one great game followed by 3-4 shit games.
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@Chester-Draws said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I'm not buying that any of our problems have been fixed, except by accident (BB being sore) and the injection of a good forwards coach (forced onto the head coach).
I agree, there's loads more to work on.
And I don't buy the idea that Ryan has made instant, lasting improvements either - we have to wait and see f they are (hopefully) sustained.
@Victor-Meldrew You have to admit Vic that the new forward organisation has been a dramatic turnaround.
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@Victor-Meldrew You have to admit Vic that the new forward organisation has been a dramatic turnaround.
NZRs fault and it could make further improvements@BerniesCorner said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Victor-Meldrew You have to admit Vic that the new forward organisation has been a dramatic turnaround.
NZRs fault and it could make further improvementsAmazing what a new coach with a fresh mindset and new eyes can achieve.
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Well just managed to watch the match. First observation is the obvious impact they Jason Ryan has had with the forwards, the traditional weapon of the SA rolling Maul pretty much negated. Great to see the next generation of young front rowers playing well and matching it with the best. Ardie definitely playing better without the burden of captaincy. Much better in the backs but still seem to be lacking some fluency and communication
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Jeez I chuckled when Savea got ragdolled by the SA lock as he went for the try.
ST got the yips a few times throwing into the lineout and over threw it. First time I have noticed him doing this at AB level.
@Crazy-Horse said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Jeez I chuckled when Savea got ragdolled by the SA lock as he went for the try.
ST got the yips a few times throwing into the lineout and over threw it. First time I have noticed him doing this at AB level.
Yeah that was absolutely ruthless from Etzebeth. He is a fucken monster. More than decent effort to do that to a powerhouse like Savea it has to be said.
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Well just managed to watch the match. First observation is the obvious impact they Jason Ryan has had with the forwards, the traditional weapon of the SA rolling Maul pretty much negated. Great to see the next generation of young front rowers playing well and matching it with the best. Ardie definitely playing better without the burden of captaincy. Much better in the backs but still seem to be lacking some fluency and communication
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@Victor-Meldrew You have to admit Vic that the new forward organisation has been a dramatic turnaround.
NZRs fault and it could make further improvements@BerniesCorner said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Victor-Meldrew You have to admit Vic that the new forward organisation has been a dramatic turnaround.
NZRs fault and it could make further improvementsOh I 100% agree they were better (as they were across the park). I don't want to sound like a Jeremiah, but we've been stung before with this team & I just want to manage my expectations
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Well just managed to watch the match. First observation is the obvious impact they Jason Ryan has had with the forwards, the traditional weapon of the SA rolling Maul pretty much negated. Great to see the next generation of young front rowers playing well and matching it with the best. Ardie definitely playing better without the burden of captaincy. Much better in the backs but still seem to be lacking some fluency and communication
@Nevorian said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Great to see the next generation of young front rowers playing well and matching it with the best.
Long may it continue. Credit to Foster & the selectors for bringing on new talent.
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@Nevorian said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Ardie definitely playing better without the burden of captaincy.
Huh? Cane is the captain.
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Nevorian said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Ardie definitely playing better without the burden of captaincy.
Huh? Cane is the captain.
Yeah but fair call. Being captain would be a burden and Ardie doesn’t have it.
