Springboks vs All Blacks I
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@pakman Size-wise - but, I think they'll pick Blackadder and I agree with that.
I think EB is currently a better player.
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@pakman said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Chris-B said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@pakman Size-wise - but, I think they'll pick Blackadder and I agree with that.
I think EB is currently a better player.
EB is busier, but against Boks big bodies are required, so for me EB plays 7 or not at all.
I'm less in the EB plays 7 camp.
I think he's a better 6 and I'd pick Sam and Dalton at 7 ahead of him.
For now, I'd pick him at 6 - but, I'd like to pick a taller 6 - either a grown Finau or Frizell.
I think Ethan is a superb bench loosie - but, his motor also lends itself to playing 80 minutes at 6 although he's a bit small.
@Chris-B said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@pakman said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Chris-B said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@pakman Size-wise - but, I think they'll pick Blackadder and I agree with that.
I think EB is currently a better player.
EB is busier, but against Boks big bodies are required, so for me EB plays 7 or not at all.
I'm less in the EB plays 7 camp.
I think Ethan is a superb bench loosie - but, his motor also lends itself to playing 80 minutes at 6 although he's a bit small.
I see him as an excellent bench prospect. But his engine is his greatest strength and, as you note, lends itself to entire 80.
With RD playing 80 that doesn’t really work.
If Hoskins was playing 60, EB playing 80 would open up scope for a big impact loosie on bench.
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@Chris-B said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@pakman said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Chris-B said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@pakman Size-wise - but, I think they'll pick Blackadder and I agree with that.
I think EB is currently a better player.
EB is busier, but against Boks big bodies are required, so for me EB plays 7 or not at all.
I'm less in the EB plays 7 camp.
I think Ethan is a superb bench loosie - but, his motor also lends itself to playing 80 minutes at 6 although he's a bit small.
I see him as an excellent bench prospect. But his engine is his greatest strength and, as you note, lends itself to entire 80.
With RD playing 80 that doesn’t really work.
If Hoskins was playing 60, EB playing 80 would open up scope for a big impact loosie on bench.
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@Chris-B
It wouldn’t surprise me if they went with Finau on a horses for courses basis
@DaGrubster said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Chris-B
It wouldn’t surprise me if they went with Finau on a horses for courses basis
That was clearly Plan A - vs England.
It didn't work that well, so I'd be surprised if they go back to it for SA 1 - but, I think it's eventually the way of the future - though, maybe Frizell comes back first.
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The first two years of Razor's tenure will be hard. Fortunately, young guns are lurking : Holland, Haig, Stodart, Delany, Lakai. I see them as potential All Blacks as they are playing in positions where the cupboard is currently rather bare. I have great expectations for Johnny Lee for the 7 jersey but not before 2026, IMO.
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@DaGrubster said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Chris-B
It wouldn’t surprise me if they went with Finau on a horses for courses basis
That was clearly Plan A - vs England.
It didn't work that well, so I'd be surprised if they go back to it for SA 1 - but, I think it's eventually the way of the future - though, maybe Frizell comes back first.
@Chris-B
It’s surprising how quickly they discarded plan A, unless Blackadder was the original plan A but was injured during England series.
Plan B didn’t go very well in Wellington.
I suspect you could be right about Frizzell though.
Finau hasn’t had support in the ABs so far - played well on debut then dropped for the RWC squad - which want unexpected tbh
2 tests against a strong England side, played ok in a tough series. Not seen since.
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@pakman said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Chris-B said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@pakman Size-wise - but, I think they'll pick Blackadder and I agree with that.
I think EB is currently a better player.
EB is busier, but against Boks big bodies are required, so for me EB plays 7 or not at all.
I'm less in the EB plays 7 camp.
I think he's a better 6 and I'd pick Sam and Dalton at 7 ahead of him.
For now, I'd pick him at 6 - but, I'd like to pick a taller 6 - either a grown Finau or Frizell.
I think Ethan is a superb bench loosie - but, his motor also lends itself to playing 80 minutes at 6 although he's a bit small.
@Chris-B
I agree, I think he is a very good option on the bench as he is able to play 2 if not all back row positions.
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@Chris-B
It’s surprising how quickly they discarded plan A, unless Blackadder was the original plan A but was injured during England series.
Plan B didn’t go very well in Wellington.
I suspect you could be right about Frizzell though.
Finau hasn’t had support in the ABs so far - played well on debut then dropped for the RWC squad - which want unexpected tbh
2 tests against a strong England side, played ok in a tough series. Not seen since.
@DaGrubster nah all good, guys with a handful of caps should be able to get up to speed immediately. If you don't match your SR form after 2 games, you're out.
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@Chester-Draws said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@MiketheSnow said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Based on actual recent performances then SA should go 2-0
I must be imagining that they lost to Ireland then. At home.
They will be a challenge, for sure, but their current record isn't actually that much better than ours.
No no no, you’ve got it completely wrong. They are the Boks. They have 150kg front rowers that are immovable but fleet footed. Their locks are 7 foot tall, have 40 inch verticals meaning they never lose a lineout. And check out their loose forwards, there’s only 3 of them but you’d swear they had about 12 hard shoulders between them.
Flyhalf and fullback that kick 60 metres on the fly, wingers that just toy with their opposition with their pace. A midfield that are the size of loose forwards but run sub 11 second hundreds.
What hope do the little ol ABs have? Even the loyals have given up with comments after every test match this year like - “nothing that would trouble the Boks”, “they wouldn’t be scared”, “where’s aura?”, “they will trounce us”.
Just hand them the silverware now and we can all have a good nights rest on Sunday morning week.
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@Chester-Draws said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@MiketheSnow said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Based on actual recent performances then SA should go 2-0
I must be imagining that they lost to Ireland then. At home.
They will be a challenge, for sure, but their current record isn't actually that much better than ours.
No no no, you’ve got it completely wrong. They are the Boks. They have 150kg front rowers that are immovable but fleet footed. Their locks are 7 foot tall, have 40 inch verticals meaning they never lose a lineout. And check out their loose forwards, there’s only 3 of them but you’d swear they had about 12 hard shoulders between them.
Flyhalf and fullback that kick 60 metres on the fly, wingers that just toy with their opposition with their pace. A midfield that are the size of loose forwards but run sub 11 second hundreds.
What hope do the little ol ABs have? Even the loyals have given up with comments after every test match this year like - “nothing that would trouble the Boks”, “they wouldn’t be scared”, “where’s aura?”, “they will trounce us”.
Just hand them the silverware now and we can all have a good nights rest on Sunday morning week.
For me the boks biggest strength is their depth , a bit like us during the Henry Hansen era .
But it doesn’t necessarily mean their best side is unbeatable though, Ireland don’t have their depth but it’s a 50-50 game when they play .
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@No-Quarter said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
I think SA are vastly overrated and we are every chance of winning both
I reckon we are a real chance only if Razor does the right thing and selects:
Williams, Taylor, Newell, Scooter, Darry, Blackadder, Token, Token, Hotham, Token, Reece, Havili, Token, Jordan, Jordie
I’m back
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@No-Quarter said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
I think SA are vastly overrated and we are every chance of winning both
I reckon we are a real chance only if Razor does the right thing and selects:
Williams, Taylor, Newell, Scooter, Darry, Blackadder, Token, Token, Hotham, Token, Reece, Havili, Token, Jordan, Jordie
I’m back
Ofa Tu'ungafasi, Token, Token, Patrick Tuipulotu (c), Sam Darry, Akira Ioane, Dalton Papali'i, Hoskins Sotutu, Token, Harry Plummer, Caleb Clarke, AJ Lam, Rieko Ioane, Mark Tele'a, Stephen Perofeta
sounds better and I've got some great names for the bench!
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@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@No-Quarter said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
I think SA are vastly overrated and we are every chance of winning both
I reckon we are a real chance only if Razor does the right thing and selects:
Williams, Taylor, Newell, Scooter, Darry, Blackadder, Token, Token, Hotham, Token, Reece, Havili, Token, Jordan, Jordie
I’m back
Ofa Tu'ungafasi, Token, Token, Patrick Tuipulotu (c), Sam Darry, Akira Ioane, Dalton Papali'i, Hoskins Sotutu, Token, Harry Plummer, Caleb Clarke, AJ Lam, Rieko Ioane, Mark Tele'a, Stephen Perofeta
sounds better and I've got some great names for the bench!
@nostrildamus said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Ofa Tu'ungafasi, Token, Token, Patrick Tuipulotu (c), Sam Darry, Akira Ioane, Dalton Papali'i, Hoskins Sotutu, Token, Harry Plummer, Caleb Clarke, AJ Lam, Rieko Ioane, Mark Tele'a, Stephen Perofeta
sounds better and I've got some great names for the bench!
You might need a few more tokens because Tuipulotu, Perofeta are injured, Plummer won’t travel, Lam is not an AB, and Ioane and Sotutu never heard of them and neither has Razor.
Looking extremely light on, which is probably for the best.
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@nostrildamus said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Ofa Tu'ungafasi, Token, Token, Patrick Tuipulotu (c), Sam Darry, Akira Ioane, Dalton Papali'i, Hoskins Sotutu, Token, Harry Plummer, Caleb Clarke, AJ Lam, Rieko Ioane, Mark Tele'a, Stephen Perofeta
sounds better and I've got some great names for the bench!
You might need a few more tokens because Tuipulotu, Perofeta are injured, Plummer won’t travel, Lam is not an AB, and Ioane and Sotutu never heard of them and neither has Razor.
Looking extremely light on, which is probably for the best.
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Perofeta are injured, Plummer won’t travel,
It's one or the other. Pick one.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Perofeta are injured, Plummer won’t travel,
It's one or the other. Pick one.
@KiwiMurph said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks vs All Blacks I:
Perofeta are injured, Plummer won’t travel,
It's one or the other. Pick one.
David Havili
