All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.
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@dingo said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Imagine if we had... oh, I don't know... say someone like Aaron Smith in the match day 23.
Why? So he could have been rag dolled on defense because his forwards were shit?
You don't think he'd have been a handy bench option about now?
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@dingo said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Imagine if we had... oh, I don't know... say someone like Aaron Smith in the match day 23.
Why? So he could have been rag dolled on defense because his forwards were shit?
You don't think he'd have been a handy bench option about now?
My apologies. I thought you meant instead of TJP who I thought had being having a big match on defense just when it needed it..as a replacement, yes,agreed. A Smith running on would be awesome.
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@Donsteppa said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@dingo said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Imagine if we had... oh, I don't know... say someone like Aaron Smith in the match day 23.
Why? So he could have been rag dolled on defense because his forwards were shit?
You don't think he'd have been a handy bench option about now?
My apologies. I thought you meant instead of TJP who I thought had being having a big match on defense just when it needed it..as a replacement, yes,agreed. A Smith running on would be awesome.
@dingo said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@dingo said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Imagine if we had... oh, I don't know... say someone like Aaron Smith in the match day 23.
Why? So he could have been rag dolled on defense because his forwards were shit?
You don't think he'd have been a handy bench option about now?
My apologies. I thought you meant instead of TJP who I thought had being having a big match on defense just when it needed it..as a replacement, yes,agreed. A Smith running on would be awesome.
I was deliberately vague with my matchday 23 wording
Was thinking he'd have been a handy option to run on at the time!
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Well the score blew out, but for the vast majority of that Test I'd say the better team wore canary yellow. With that team, playing like that, they could get a Grand Slam in Nov.
Well, there's my 38-point margin gone. Slackers.
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Well the score blew out, but for the vast majority of that Test I'd say the better team wore canary yellow. With that team, playing like that, they could get a Grand Slam in Nov.
The number of errors on attack gave the ABs every chance to counter, and our transition to defence wasn't good enough.
Fortunately, not a lot of the NH teams we're facing have the same skillset that this AB team has. The number of offloads that just stuck when they needed them to is uncanny, and down (no doubt) to the sheer number of errors we made through passing too early or too slow... man... It is pretty to watch, when I can take my eyepatch off for the replays.
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Also I don't know what the TMO was thinking.
Actually, what burns me more at this point was Nige's reffing of the mauls. It was very harsh to start, and then just plain weird to finish.
ABs had one come to ground, and before they even got it moving, he's calling them "ONCE!" which is weird, because they hadn't even had time to set.
Then at the end, when the game was gone, he let the Wallabies stop at least three times before calling "ONCE!", and then gave us a ruck penalty we probably didn't deserve in the same couple of minutes.
Was Coles MOTM?
Thought we aimed up, and played the way anyone SHOULD play against the ABs: pound them in close. Our deftness out wide was pretty nice, though again a couple of those early/late offloads just don't stick for us because our speed of thought - probably down to fitness - just isn't there.
It was good to at least see our pigs hammering home some good work. But we gave away a couple of tries with sloppy work out wide, and you're going to pay for that anywhere in NZ or against NZ.
Cheika's presser is going to be interesting.
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I enjoyed that.
And then will move on to list the negatives .....
Our defence was as soft as custard it seemed. Around the rucks especially.
Worst ive seen our 2 locks play. BBBR especially ineffective in defence.
Gods knows how that ends up a 27 point margin.
Best I've seen Folau in ages.
Niggly game again, midway first half Whitelock and TJP seemed too distracted by the niggle.
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There was something about 18 and not losing to Oz at Eden Park since 1986 that made that first 60 minutes more excruciating than normal.
After every game I make a resolution not to live post until the end of the game, and each week I'm dumb enough to forget...
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@Donsteppa said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@dingo said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Imagine if we had... oh, I don't know... say someone like Aaron Smith in the match day 23.
Why? So he could have been rag dolled on defense because his forwards were shit?
You don't think he'd have been a handy bench option about now?
My apologies. I thought you meant instead of TJP who I thought had being having a big match on defense just when it needed it..as a replacement, yes,agreed. A Smith running on would be awesome.
@dingo said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@dingo said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Imagine if we had... oh, I don't know... say someone like Aaron Smith in the match day 23.
Why? So he could have been rag dolled on defense because his forwards were shit?
You don't think he'd have been a handy bench option about now?
My apologies. I thought you meant instead of TJP who I thought had being having a big match on defense just when it needed it..as a replacement, yes,agreed. A Smith running on would be awesome.
Eh, TJP's defence was good but I thought his clearance was pretty weak. He ended up throwing quite a few hospital passes that just put the backs under more pressure.
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I enjoyed that.
And then will move on to list the negatives .....
Our defence was as soft as custard it seemed. Around the rucks especially.
Worst ive seen our 2 locks play. BBBR especially ineffective in defence.
Gods knows how that ends up a 27 point margin.
Best I've seen Folau in ages.
Niggly game again, midway first half Whitelock and TJP seemed too distracted by the niggle.
@Rapido said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Our defence was as soft as custard it seemed. Around the rucks especially.
I think that was down to three things:
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Phipps was passing off the ground a lot. Take out that step-and-a-half, and the line speed defence of the ABs wasn't quite as effective
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Our forwards did a lot more carrying in close. Inside ball from Foley especially was paying dividends.
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Quade and Foley as dual playmakers tends to leave you with 2 guys marshalling 4 runners in the previous games we played. Foley as the lone playmaker is 1 guy marshalling 5 runners. Our lines on attack were a lot better and held up the defence a bit as they had to think about which options they needed to call.
That said, the silly little offloads and some great cover defence by TJP were the difference between us getting clean breaks, and us getting clear. Contrast that to our lack of pace in taking the ball carrier to deck, and the ABs getting offloads away off the deck or as they're going down.
Skill level still a big chasm.
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@Rapido said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Our defence was as soft as custard it seemed. Around the rucks especially.
I think that was down to three things:
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Phipps was passing off the ground a lot. Take out that step-and-a-half, and the line speed defence of the ABs wasn't quite as effective
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Our forwards did a lot more carrying in close. Inside ball from Foley especially was paying dividends.
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Quade and Foley as dual playmakers tends to leave you with 2 guys marshalling 4 runners in the previous games we played. Foley as the lone playmaker is 1 guy marshalling 5 runners. Our lines on attack were a lot better and held up the defence a bit as they had to think about which options they needed to call.
That said, the silly little offloads and some great cover defence by TJP were the difference between us getting clean breaks, and us getting clear. Contrast that to our lack of pace in taking the ball carrier to deck, and the ABs getting offloads away off the deck or as they're going down.
Skill level still a big chasm.
@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Rapido said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Our defence was as soft as custard it seemed. Around the rucks especially.
I think that was down to three things:
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Phipps was passing off the ground a lot. Take out that step-and-a-half, and the line speed defence of the ABs wasn't quite as effective
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Our forwards did a lot more carrying in close. Inside ball from Foley especially was paying dividends.
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Quade and Foley as dual playmakers tends to leave you with 2 guys marshalling 4 runners in the previous games we played. Foley as the lone playmaker is 1 guy marshalling 5 runners. Our lines on attack were a lot better and held up the defence a bit as they had to think about which options they needed to call.
That said, the silly little offloads and some great cover defence by TJP were the difference between us getting clean breaks, and us getting clear. Contrast that to our lack of pace in taking the ball carrier to deck, and the ABs getting offloads away off the deck or as they're going down.
Skill level still a big chasm.
The first two points were how the Argies smacked us around in that first game as well. Nicely spotted, Nick.
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@Rapido said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Our defence was as soft as custard it seemed. Around the rucks especially.
I think that was down to three things:
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Phipps was passing off the ground a lot. Take out that step-and-a-half, and the line speed defence of the ABs wasn't quite as effective
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Our forwards did a lot more carrying in close. Inside ball from Foley especially was paying dividends.
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Quade and Foley as dual playmakers tends to leave you with 2 guys marshalling 4 runners in the previous games we played. Foley as the lone playmaker is 1 guy marshalling 5 runners. Our lines on attack were a lot better and held up the defence a bit as they had to think about which options they needed to call.
That said, the silly little offloads and some great cover defence by TJP were the difference between us getting clean breaks, and us getting clear. Contrast that to our lack of pace in taking the ball carrier to deck, and the ABs getting offloads away off the deck or as they're going down.
Skill level still a big chasm.
@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Rapido said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Our defence was as soft as custard it seemed. Around the rucks especially.
I think that was down to three things:
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Phipps was passing off the ground a lot. Take out that step-and-a-half, and the line speed defence of the ABs wasn't quite as effective
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Our forwards did a lot more carrying in close. Inside ball from Foley especially was paying dividends.
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Quade and Foley as dual playmakers tends to leave you with 2 guys marshalling 4 runners in the previous games we played. Foley as the lone playmaker is 1 guy marshalling 5 runners. Our lines on attack were a lot better and held up the defence a bit as they had to think about which options they needed to call.
That said, the silly little offloads and some great cover defence by TJP were the difference between us getting clean breaks, and us getting clear. Contrast that to our lack of pace in taking the ball carrier to deck, and the ABs getting offloads away off the deck or as they're going down.
Skill level still a big chasm.
Reckon you would have smacked any other team with that performance Nick. The big guys made heaps of metres (including Moore), Phipps was accurate and Foley had an excellent game (he has to stay at 10. Fuck Cooper off). But your kingdom for a 12!
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That should have been a try to Aussie. Dhp - his line could be a perfect run to the outside of the ball carrier. It's shit, it's a try.
Matt Todd. Shit hot. Arguably best game by an AB 7 this year.
Perenara - good player can't pass.
Cruden always tries to get a bit too clever off the bench. Always a dumb chip kick or two.
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@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Rapido said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Our defence was as soft as custard it seemed. Around the rucks especially.
I think that was down to three things:
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Phipps was passing off the ground a lot. Take out that step-and-a-half, and the line speed defence of the ABs wasn't quite as effective
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Our forwards did a lot more carrying in close. Inside ball from Foley especially was paying dividends.
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Quade and Foley as dual playmakers tends to leave you with 2 guys marshalling 4 runners in the previous games we played. Foley as the lone playmaker is 1 guy marshalling 5 runners. Our lines on attack were a lot better and held up the defence a bit as they had to think about which options they needed to call.
That said, the silly little offloads and some great cover defence by TJP were the difference between us getting clean breaks, and us getting clear. Contrast that to our lack of pace in taking the ball carrier to deck, and the ABs getting offloads away off the deck or as they're going down.
Skill level still a big chasm.
Reckon you would have smacked any other team with that performance Nick. The big guys made heaps of metres (including Moore), Phipps was accurate and Foley had an excellent game (he has to stay at 10. Fuck Cooper off). But your kingdom for a 12!
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
But your kingdom for a 12!
Yeah.... Hodge wasn't as effective as I wanted him to be. He had a clean shot on Savea late in the game as The Bus was catching the ball. Most times you want a bloke Hodge's size and balance to cut him in half. Got bumped.
The three-quarter line had about 20 caps between them before the game. Hope they learned a lot...
@SynicBast said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
The first two points were how the Argies smacked us around in that first game as well. Nicely spotted, Nick.
Having watched Phipps both win and lose games for the Tahs in the last few years, it has been an interesting pattern. The problem is its real fucking chicken-and-egg stuff
When he's passing off the ground, the forwards roll through, so he keeps doing it. When they're not going forward, he steps and prevents them rolling through. So he keeps doing it...
If I was coaching him, the first thing I'd have him do is tie 20kg weights to his ankles and make him do ruck drill for twenty minutes.
:thinking:
Make that twenty minutes each side.
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DHP changed his line, obstructed a defender who by that stage only had the ankle tap as a valid option.
Complete dunce. He needs to find a corner to sit in.
Dhp should drop by the refs changing room and apologise that his stupidity is going to deflect some ill informed bile their way in the afterwash.
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Todd was a genuine nuisance, but I thought he was fortunate a couple of times, with his elbows on the ground or his weight on another player in the ruck-thing. Mainly though, he got himself into position to be a nuisance, so he gets the credit for that, and getting the penalties.
Both sides were a bit inaccurate on their own ball at ruck time. We just didn't do enough.
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Read choosing to kick the ball out at the end is one of the strangest decisions I have seen from this AB team.
@akan004 said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Read choosing to kick the ball out at the end is one of the strangest decisions I have seen from this AB team.
I hesitate to say it, but I thought it was a bit weak. Not what I have come to expect from this AB side since 2013
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Read choosing to kick the ball out at the end is one of the strangest decisions I have seen from this AB team.
@akan004 said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Read choosing to kick the ball out at the end is one of the strangest decisions I have seen from this AB team.
Game won. Record achieved. Tour coming up. Why bother?
Also I thought Nige had his arm up for our scrum? What happened after that? The family got home at that point.
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Todd was a genuine nuisance, but I thought he was fortunate a couple of times, with his elbows on the ground or his weight on another player in the ruck-thing. Mainly though, he got himself into position to be a nuisance, so he gets the credit for that, and getting the penalties.
Both sides were a bit inaccurate on their own ball at ruck time. We just didn't do enough.
@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Todd was a genuine nuisance, but I thought he was fortunate a couple of times, with his elbows on the ground or his weight on another player in the ruck-thing. Mainly though, he got himself into position to be a nuisance, so he gets the credit for that, and getting the penalties.
Both sides were a bit inaccurate on their own ball at ruck time. We just didn't do enough.
I was about to quote this post but replace "Todd" with "Pocock in every game he ever played" but then I thought, fuck it, don't bother.
