All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.
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@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Well, you sing when you're winning I guess.
NTA do you seriously believe that those comments were defensible given the ads that Seven, Fox Sports and the News Corp papers have run while he has been involved with the ARU?
Your national coach at best has the thinnest skin in the world and at worst is a total disgrace and makes Dwyer after the McRae incident look like a scholar.
Kearns and Kafer will be happy though first words out of Hansen's mouth were how Aussie are world beaters.
If Cheika is that upset about one editor calling him a clown imagine how entitled Hansen and Ted would be to sound off over an Aussie editor calling his skip a cheat.
@rotated said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Well, you sing when you're winning I guess.
NTA do you seriously believe that those comments were defensible given the ads that Seven, Fox Sports and the News Corp papers have run while he has been involved with the ARU?
Nup. And I'm pretty sure I never said they were.
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Cruden those kicks were fucking awful. Owen, it doesn't have to be a ritual to give away the first penalty of the game for offside.
Funny how the last couple of games we've lacked organisation around the breakdown on defence and been soft there...and TJP is getting praised for tidying up. Methinks it's possibly got a fair bit to do with lacking Smith's organisation?
Loving the 4 try swing by Aussie player stupidity and then cutting away to the coach acting like a moron. Maybe if the coach tries to act a bit more classy and responsible the players will follow suit? Just a suggestion eh. 2 tries to us from players making dumb decisions to cut in on defence, 1 more from a player standing to the left of midfield scrum, closest to the opposition halfback and winding up to kick off his right, the closest point to the closest player. Then DHP being an idiot when he had absolutely no need to. Yay coach!
@Bones said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Loving the 4 try swing by Aussie player stupidity and then cutting away to the coach acting like a moron. Maybe if the coach tries to act a bit more classy and responsible the players will follow suit? Just a suggestion eh. 2 tries to us from players making dumb decisions to cut in on defence, 1 more from a player standing to the left of midfield scrum, closest to the opposition halfback and winding up to kick off his right, the closest point to the closest player. Then DHP being an idiot when he had absolutely no need to. Yay coach!
I got shot down earlier in the year for suggesting that Cheika's manner, attitude and sloppy look rubs off on the team. I still think it is true. If your coach is constantly looking to blame other things and pulling faces at decisions that gives the players an easy out despite him then claiming responsibility for mistakes. It is mixed message stuff.
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@rotated said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Well, you sing when you're winning I guess.
NTA do you seriously believe that those comments were defensible given the ads that Seven, Fox Sports and the News Corp papers have run while he has been involved with the ARU?
Nup. And I'm pretty sure I never said they were.
@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@rotated said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Well, you sing when you're winning I guess.
NTA do you seriously believe that those comments were defensible given the ads that Seven, Fox Sports and the News Corp papers have run while he has been involved with the ARU?
Nup. And I'm pretty sure I never said they were.
OK then deal with the comments at hand. Cheika is a poor sport, amongst other things he accused the All Blacks themselves of planting the bug story in the press and depicting him as a clown.
He was asked about his comments in regards to a team breaking the Teir 1 winning record and his reaction is to accuse the NZRU of editiorialising both the NZ Herald and SMH.
He has an 8 minute presser and spends 6 minutes doing that.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Loving the 4 try swing by Aussie player stupidity and then cutting away to the coach acting like a moron. Maybe if the coach tries to act a bit more classy and responsible the players will follow suit? Just a suggestion eh. 2 tries to us from players making dumb decisions to cut in on defence, 1 more from a player standing to the left of midfield scrum, closest to the opposition halfback and winding up to kick off his right, the closest point to the closest player. Then DHP being an idiot when he had absolutely no need to. Yay coach!
I got shot down earlier in the year for suggesting that Cheika's manner, attitude and sloppy look rubs off on the team. I still think it is true. If your coach is constantly looking to blame other things and pulling faces at decisions that gives the players an easy out despite him then claiming responsibility for mistakes. It is mixed message stuff.
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
I got shot down earlier in the year for suggesting that Cheika's manner, attitude and sloppy look rubs off on the team. I still think it is true. If your coach is constantly looking to blame other things and pulling faces at decisions that gives the players an easy out despite him then claiming responsibility for mistakes. It is mixed message stuff.
And yet, that is probably the best we've played all year.
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@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@rotated said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Well, you sing when you're winning I guess.
NTA do you seriously believe that those comments were defensible given the ads that Seven, Fox Sports and the News Corp papers have run while he has been involved with the ARU?
Nup. And I'm pretty sure I never said they were.
OK then deal with the comments at hand. Cheika is a poor sport, amongst other things he accused the All Blacks themselves of planting the bug story in the press and depicting him as a clown.
He was asked about his comments in regards to a team breaking the Teir 1 winning record and his reaction is to accuse the NZRU of editiorialising both the NZ Herald and SMH.
He has an 8 minute presser and spends 6 minutes doing that.
@rotated 6 of the 8 minutes? Really? I wasn't writing down a blow by blow.
He spent some of the time saying how fantastically the ABs were performing, and how the Wallabies had to own their own mistakes, as them talked about the no-try incident. Seems that he'd have trouble squeezing all that info two minutes, while letting Moore speak as well
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Funny sort of test match with it being a pretty good contest, but the outcome being so one sided where it counts - on the scoreboard. Winning by 20+ against another Tier 1 nation is to be celebrated and I will never tire of them even when we don't play outstanding footy throughout the test match.
Impressed with our defence as the Wallabies did vary the attack (which was pretty good in patches) and we showed tonight that this unit can scramble well.
What about Sam Whitelock playing the last 15 or so on one leg. We had already exhausted all subs so he hobbled through it.
I had the sound on mute, but did Retallick go off right at the end for a concussion test?
It was great to see Cruden back out there running around, but what was up with his kicking? He was taking the mickey surely, because they were appallingly bad.
Anyway there really isn't that much to complain about, other than first world rugby problems, when your team wins a Bledisloe test by 27. Well done ABs
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@Crucial said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
I got shot down earlier in the year for suggesting that Cheika's manner, attitude and sloppy look rubs off on the team. I still think it is true. If your coach is constantly looking to blame other things and pulling faces at decisions that gives the players an easy out despite him then claiming responsibility for mistakes. It is mixed message stuff.
And yet, that is probably the best we've played all year.
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@NTA maybe it is an act designed to shield his players; I'm not convinced. But your boys did play well. Defence was mostly solid, they hampered our creativity by tightening up space and they made some good progress with long periods of ball in hand
@canefan said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@NTA maybe it is an act designed to shield his players; I'm not convinced
Well, the Kiwi journalists were lapping it up, based on what they were asking during the AB presser.
So the talk on this side of the ditch will be about the no-try. And the positives, maybe.
Over your way I'm sure the NZH or stuff already have something up about DUSRISPICT!!! Followed by half a dozen pages of ejaculations regarding world records etc and whether it will stop at 25 (to take out those pesky Cypriots once and for all), or get to triple figures.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
I got shot down earlier in the year for suggesting that Cheika's manner, attitude and sloppy look rubs off on the team. I still think it is true. If your coach is constantly looking to blame other things and pulling faces at decisions that gives the players an easy out despite him then claiming responsibility for mistakes. It is mixed message stuff.
And yet, that is probably the best we've played all year.
@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
I got shot down earlier in the year for suggesting that Cheika's manner, attitude and sloppy look rubs off on the team. I still think it is true. If your coach is constantly looking to blame other things and pulling faces at decisions that gives the players an easy out despite him then claiming responsibility for mistakes. It is mixed message stuff.
And yet, that is probably the best we've played all year.
I'm not sure if that was a sarcastic comment or not.
As has been stated many times by the AB coaches when asked about their recipe for success, they talk about the little mental things, the way players react in the moment etc.
That non-try had a bigger effect on the Wobs than it needed to because afterwards many of them acted just like the example their coach sets. Too busy wanting to blame anyone other than themselves.Now look for example at how Read dealt with being penalised for a bit of push and shove even though he was on the wrong end of the ref trying to stamp it out and it was the opposition instigating the majority of off the ball stuff. He just shut up, sucked it up, apologised to the team and told them what they were now going to do.
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Funny sort of test match with it being a pretty good contest, but the outcome being so one sided where it counts - on the scoreboard. Winning by 20+ against another Tier 1 nation is to be celebrated and I will never tire of them even when we don't play outstanding footy throughout the test match.
Impressed with our defence as the Wallabies did vary the attack (which was pretty good in patches) and we showed tonight that this unit can scramble well.
What about Sam Whitelock playing the last 15 or so on one leg. We had already exhausted all subs so he hobbled through it.
I had the sound on mute, but did Retallick go off right at the end for a concussion test?
It was great to see Cruden back out there running around, but what was up with his kicking? He was taking the mickey surely, because they were appallingly bad.
Anyway there really isn't that much to complain about, other than first world rugby problems, when your team wins a Bledisloe test by 27. Well done ABs
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Also I'm not sure the criticism of Read kicking the ball out at the end is fair. We had a few guys a little battered and bruised in the closing stages of that match.
Also what was up with a phase close to the end of the match where Ardie was standing at second receiver and he didn't even try to catch the pass from Cruden and just stood there? He then made this half hearted attempt with his hands. Again I wasn't listening to commentary, but it was weird and play did go on.
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@ACT-Crusader I think Brodie had a concussion test. The trainer pointed to his head
@canefan said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@ACT-Crusader I think Brodie had a concussion test. The trainer pointed to his head
Cheers. I must have missed that part. I only caught him walking off with the trainer.
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@canefan said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@ACT-Crusader I think Brodie had a concussion test. The trainer pointed to his head
Cheers. I must have missed that part. I only caught him walking off with the trainer.
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Also I'm not sure the criticism of Read kicking the ball out at the end is fair. We had a few guys a little battered and bruised in the closing stages of that match.
Also what was up with a phase close to the end of the match where Ardie was standing at second receiver and he didn't even try to catch the pass from Cruden and just stood there? He then made this half hearted attempt with his hands. Again I wasn't listening to commentary, but it was weird and play did go on.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Also what was up with a phase close to the end of the match where Ardie was standing at second receiver and he didn't even try to catch the pass from Cruden and just stood there? He then made this half hearted attempt with his hands. Again I wasn't listening to commentary, but it was weird and play did go on.
Ardie was still thinking about his awesome turnover just before. Just didn't look to be concentrating.
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@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
I got shot down earlier in the year for suggesting that Cheika's manner, attitude and sloppy look rubs off on the team. I still think it is true. If your coach is constantly looking to blame other things and pulling faces at decisions that gives the players an easy out despite him then claiming responsibility for mistakes. It is mixed message stuff.
And yet, that is probably the best we've played all year.
I'm not sure if that was a sarcastic comment or not.
As has been stated many times by the AB coaches when asked about their recipe for success, they talk about the little mental things, the way players react in the moment etc.
That non-try had a bigger effect on the Wobs than it needed to because afterwards many of them acted just like the example their coach sets. Too busy wanting to blame anyone other than themselves.Now look for example at how Read dealt with being penalised for a bit of push and shove even though he was on the wrong end of the ref trying to stamp it out and it was the opposition instigating the majority of off the ball stuff. He just shut up, sucked it up, apologised to the team and told them what they were now going to do.
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
I'm not sure if that was a sarcastic comment or not.
It wasn't.
That non-try had a bigger effect on the Wobs than it needed to because afterwards many of them acted just like the example their coach sets. Too busy wanting to blame anyone other than themselves.
Bullshit, Crucial.
We defended the period afterwards probably better than we did for large stretches of that game.
Try was disallowed in the 47th minute, when we were controlling the game - score was 15-10 after we kicked a penalty just after halftime.
We continued control of possession and territory for the next 8 minutes until a breakaway try from deep inside your own territory to Savea (22-10). Then it was another ten minutes before you got in range to take a shot at goal to take it to 25-10.
That was the 65 minute mark. Tries at 69 and 73 minutes sealed it.
Don't revise history based on completely unrelated events.
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The no try: I watched this game with an American mate whose been getting into the game lately, he's a big (US) Football fan and when that idiot Oz winger took Savea out he actually said that he thought that was one of the rules of rugby, that you couldn't block.
FFS, maybe it was harsh on the Aussies but the fact is he interfered with a defender without the ball. It doesn't matter that the defender was behind the player (the cry baby Oz commentators* seem to think you can take anyone out behind the player) you still can't interfere with them. I don't know why anyone would try and claim it's ok to do that to a defender. It was stupid play by Hallet-Petty, Cheika should man up and lay the blame on his player who did a stupid thing.
*Kafer - you used to be the best analyst going around, now you've just turned it to a facsimilie of the crybaby whinger Kearns.
Savea - What to do with Fatty? Do we start him so he can spend 50-60 minutes bumbling around like a keystone cop and then go beast mode for 20-30 minutes? Or do we just chuck him on at 60 minutes and hope the bumbling isn't compulsory? That's the most schizophrenic game of rugby by a player I've seen.
Kaino - As Mokey noted, why take him off? He was in full beast mode on defence and was turning over the ball in tackles regularly. (Not saying Squire didn't go well).
Todd - That was a better game than I've ever thought I'd see him play. Lacks Cane's consistent stinging defence but put in a couple of good hits in the second half and had an all round strong game.
Not a classic win, but hey the ABs ran in 6 tries. That's a bonus point win while only in third gear.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
I'm not sure if that was a sarcastic comment or not.
It wasn't.
That non-try had a bigger effect on the Wobs than it needed to because afterwards many of them acted just like the example their coach sets. Too busy wanting to blame anyone other than themselves.
Bullshit, Crucial.
We defended the period afterwards probably better than we did for large stretches of that game.
Try was disallowed in the 47th minute, when we were controlling the game - score was 15-10 after we kicked a penalty just after halftime.
We continued control of possession and territory for the next 8 minutes until a breakaway try from deep inside your own territory to Savea (22-10). Then it was another ten minutes before you got in range to take a shot at goal to take it to 25-10.
That was the 65 minute mark. Tries at 69 and 73 minutes sealed it.
Don't revise history based on completely unrelated events.
@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
I'm not sure if that was a sarcastic comment or not.
It wasn't.
That non-try had a bigger effect on the Wobs than it needed to because afterwards many of them acted just like the example their coach sets. Too busy wanting to blame anyone other than themselves.
Bullshit, Crucial.
We defended the period afterwards probably better than we did for large stretches of that game.
Try was disallowed in the 47th minute, when we were controlling the game - score was 15-10 after we kicked a penalty just after halftime.
We continued control of possession and territory for the next 8 minutes until a breakaway try from deep inside your own territory to Savea (22-10). Then it was another ten minutes before you got in range to take a shot at goal to take it to 25-10.
Don't revise history based on completely unrelated events.
I'm not talking about the minutes directly afterward, I'm talking about the effect when the game was taken away from them. They looked to almost give up. I think it may have been just after that penalty the restart was kicked to our 22 and not a single yellow chaser was to be seen anywhere near it.
You can't tell me the Wallabies have their players anywhere near as mentally prepared as the ABs. If they did then Cheika is undermining their mental skills training. I just don't think they even go there though, not when you look at the surly whinging captain and the coach with his ridiculous OTT expressions during the game.Look, defend Cheika all you like, the real history is written already. Worse than Dingo Deans.
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That should have been a try to Aussie. Dhp - his line could be a perfect run to the outside of the ball carrier. It's shit, it's a try.
Matt Todd. Shit hot. Arguably best game by an AB 7 this year.
Perenara - good player can't pass.
Cruden always tries to get a bit too clever off the bench. Always a dumb chip kick or two.
Crotty very good again.@reprobate said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
.Cruden always tries to get a bit too clever off the bench. Always a dumb chip kick or two.
The chip kicks weren't dumb, just poorly executed. Chip kicks get a lot of grief because they stand out like dogs balls when not on the money. They may not be a high percentage play but then neither are the no look out the back passes that create space when caught and shifted fast to make tries.
IIRC that first kick of Crudens was into masses of space but took an unlucky bounce. It could well have had the Wallabies throwing into a defensive line out.
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Thought the Wallabies played a game which might have got them home another night. Playing big 12 and 8 and running Folau in close caused the ABs problems and Folau in particular exposed some defensive frailties in Crotty. Further, playing a fairly small 12 and 13 and not being able to challenge the gain line with power definitely reduces the space out wide, which means shovelling the ball out there is much less effective. Wallabies ought to kick on well in Europe. Plenty of work ons for AB (and Irish!) coaches.
