All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.
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The TMO call was a massive point in the match. I don't think the end result would have been different, but the ABs would have been put in a position they've never been in this year - scores tied or even behind in the second half of a match. Who knows how they would react?
All of a sudden some posters here have a newfound zeal for the law book, which is nice to see. But to me just pointing to the laws and saying 'he broke that one' is not enough to justify a decision.
Rugby is about grey areas, and working out which infringements impact the game and which do not. You could blow 3 or 4 penalties at every ruck, with the same 'it's against the law' justification that those on here have used. That doesn't make it good refereeing.
I don't think the TMO call was a good one. I don't think it was an out and out clanger, either. I can see both sides of the argument. On the balance of probablity, Savea isn't getting to Speight, and DHP's actions weren't agregious enough to warrant a penalty. You could mount an equally strong case that the penalty should have gone against Savea, for his initial hindering of DHP.
But you wouldn't, because by and large it wouldn't have impacted the end result. Same, IMO, with what DHP did to Savea.
@barbarian said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
The TMO call was a massive point in the match. I don't think the end result would have been different, but the ABs would have been put in a position they've never been in this year - scores tied or even behind in the second half of a match. Who knows how they would react?
Like their semi-final against South Africa last year? Or their pool game against Argentina? I think we've seen enough from this team that it can stay in the competition and give itself a chance.
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@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Virgil said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Is there a bigger whinging bitch in world rugby right now than Chieka?
I can think of a bigger bitch when it comes to cricket@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Virgil said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:Is there a bigger whinging bitch in world rugby right now than Chieka?
I can think of a bigger bitch when it comes to cricket.
Steve Smith??
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@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Virgil said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Steve Smith??
Closer to home.
Ahh yes, that's right - Michael Clarke isn't away on tour anymore.
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Thoughts on the All Blacks playing without a goal kicker?
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@zed said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Kafer lost his shit last night and said that Owens should never ref an international game ever again. I hope he apologizes. Kafer has always been one of the better coms on Fox but that was disgraceful.
Cheika is just an appalling character. His pathetic tantrums and conspiracy theories belong in soccer not rugby. It's a shame because this team does have potential and actually looked well coached yesterday.
I haven't been much of a fan of Liam Squire, but I have to say that he's given me a bit if a stiffy in the past few weeks.
I'm (we're?) getting a bit tired of Cheika having these dummy spits every time the ref makes a call he doesn't agree with. OK the disallowed try, you'd forgive him for losing the plot, but he does it every time something doesn't go the Wallabies way. He did it throughout the Wallabies/Eng series, very tiresome.
re Owens, great ref, he made a mistake, it didn't cost us the game. It could be argued that perhaps if the try wasn't disallowed then the shape of the game would have changed, but after we leaked 20+ points at the end, I don't really see it.
Why did you think he made a mistake? He referred what he thought was illegal play to the TMO. The TMO reviewed the footage and they found that DHP illegally obstructed Savea - which he did.
What mistake did Owen's make?
zed said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
....re Owens, great ref, he made a mistake, it didn't cost us the game. It could be argued that perhaps if the try wasn't disallowed then the shape of the game would have changed, but after we leaked 20+ points at the end, I don't really see it.
@__Nepia responded__ in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Why did you think he made a mistake? He referred what he thought was illegal play to the TMO. The TMO reviewed the footage and they found that DHP illegally obstructed Savea - which he did.
What mistake did Owen's make?
As knowledgeable sports broadcaster Bruce McAvaney used say I think this next bit is "special":
zed said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
"Not sure of the rules, Savea was never going to make the tackle. If what DHP did is a legitimate offence (shepherding a player in back-play) then the rules need to change."
which is pretty much "Dunno the law but I don't like it therefore Owens made a mistake and, if that doesn't get a guernsey, the law is dodgy and must be changed to something more to my liking"
Scroll up is your friend - you will find the rule is expressed ever so simply and that it doesn't complicate matters by inviting assessment of whether a tackle might have been made, or by mentioning shepherding or by offering a waiver if hurt folk don't like it.
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Thoughts on the All Blacks playing without a goal kicker?
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Thoughts on the All Blacks playing without a goal kicker?
One day it might trip us up
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Thoughts on the All Blacks playing without a goal kicker?
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Thoughts on the All Blacks playing without a goal kicker?
Considering every 10 in the squad is a kicker for their Super teams, whos playing 10? Ben Smith?
If Beaudy is your 10 as I assume you're referring to his average kicking, that would be Naholo and Savea on the wings, cause Dagg has shown he can kick, and then Ben at fullback?
If thats the strike-force, then honestly, who gives a rats - coz they've shown they can strike from anywhere and win against Tier 1 sides with minimal possession.
Hasn't cost us a test match so far, did it cost the Canes at all this year?Made this commentary last night - Beauden Barrett has probably only ever been responsible for kicking on Eden Park 4-5 times (a bunch with the Canes, and maybe once previously with the AB's) maybe there are a few nuances on that ground, that he hasn't dealt with yet, Foley missed some even easier kicks than Beaudy, and I thought I recalled the MatchComms suggesting the wind was swirly.
That said, hes an AB, he needs to do better.
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And Barrett has an ear infection?
Still not sold on TJP being our saviour, loving his form but as I said earlier, our close in defence seems to have been better organised with Smith there.
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Thoughts on the All Blacks playing without a goal kicker?
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Thoughts on the All Blacks playing without a goal kicker?
Wondering about this.
Beaudy was pretty ordinary in the first part of the Super season. Came right in the ABs camp, but he seems to be regressing.
I wonder how long the coaches will put up with substandard goal kicking - eventually it will cost us a match, so he needs to sort it - otherwise he'll have to be relegated to super-sub status again.
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Foley and Cruden also struggled but it was actually a very windy evening (Auckland windy, not Wellington windy) so I think conditions were tougher than they appeared
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@canefan Aus were warming up in front of us and Foley missed 3 kicks all of similar difficulty/easiness to the one he missed.
@taniwharugby I was at the 30m in the South stand watching him too. He took an age over his last practice kick and promptly drew it past the left upright.
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@barbarian said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
The TMO call was a massive point in the match. I don't think the end result would have been different, but the ABs would have been put in a position they've never been in this year - scores tied or even behind in the second half of a match. Who knows how they would react?
Like their semi-final against South Africa last year? Or their pool game against Argentina? I think we've seen enough from this team that it can stay in the competition and give itself a chance.
@antipodean Well that's why I used the phrase 'this year'.
I don't doubt they would have coped pretty well, but still it would have been nice to see a team put them under the pump for once.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Thoughts on the All Blacks playing without a goal kicker?
Wondering about this.
Beaudy was pretty ordinary in the first part of the Super season. Came right in the ABs camp, but he seems to be regressing.
I wonder how long the coaches will put up with substandard goal kicking - eventually it will cost us a match, so he needs to sort it - otherwise he'll have to be relegated to super-sub status again.
@Chris-B. said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Thoughts on the All Blacks playing without a goal kicker?
Wondering about this.
Beaudy was pretty ordinary in the first part of the Super season. Came right in the ABs camp, but he seems to be regressing.
I wonder how long the coaches will put up with substandard goal kicking - eventually it will cost us a match, so he needs to sort it - otherwise he'll have to be relegated to super-sub status again.
General performance from Beaudy has me wondering again how effective he can be when his forwards are getting munched. I didn't see him trying to take control at any point. In fact after the game I realised I could barely remember seeing him.
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Sounds like Dean Mumm should have received a red card for a deliberate elbow to the head. If that is true (and it seems to be from the pictures) then that is easily the biggest refereeing mistake of the night. I wonder if that will cause certain people to withdraw certain things they have said.
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Sounds like Dean Mumm should have received a red card for a deliberate elbow to the head. If that is true (and it seems to be from the pictures) then that is easily the biggest refereeing mistake of the night. I wonder if that will cause certain people to withdraw certain things they have said.
@hydro11 said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Sounds like Dean Mumm should have received a red card for a deliberate elbow to the head. If that is true (and it seems to be from the pictures) then that is easily the biggest refereeing mistake of the night. I wonder if that will cause certain people to withdraw certain things they have said.
And the Hooper headbutt. Another red.
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Sounds like Dean Mumm should have received a red card for a deliberate elbow to the head. If that is true (and it seems to be from the pictures) then that is easily the biggest refereeing mistake of the night. I wonder if that will cause certain people to withdraw certain things they have said.
@hydro11 said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Sounds like Dean Mumm should have received a red card for a deliberate elbow to the head. If that is true (and it seems to be from the pictures) then that is easily the biggest refereeing mistake of the night. I wonder if that will cause certain people to withdraw certain things they have said.
Still haven't seen pictures or vision. What time of the game was it? Only YouTube i could find was whole game with no clock on it, so incident either side would help
