All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.
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I'm thinking NMS may be lucky to get back in.
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@Tregaskis said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@hydro11 There is possibly a recent precedent. Two years ago Cruden transgressed and missed the Arg / SA tour plus the Bledisloe III game in Brisneyland (Barrett started, and Slade came on and kicked the matchwinner). I don't recall Cruden being injured (there was talk he would play for Manawatu during his "suspension" but I don't think it happened) and I believe his next game was the second EOYT game vs England (Carter started the first game in Chicago).
I have no idea what Cruden did but he served about a month for his misdemeanour. Perhaps Aaron Smith will serve the same.
Cruden was late for a flight which is a bit more serious IMO.
@hydro11 said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Tregaskis said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@hydro11 There is possibly a recent precedent. Two years ago Cruden transgressed and missed the Arg / SA tour plus the Bledisloe III game in Brisneyland (Barrett started, and Slade came on and kicked the matchwinner). I don't recall Cruden being injured (there was talk he would play for Manawatu during his "suspension" but I don't think it happened) and I believe his next game was the second EOYT game vs England (Carter started the first game in Chicago).
I have no idea what Cruden did but he served about a month for his misdemeanour. Perhaps Aaron Smith will serve the same.
Cruden was late for a flight which is a bit more serious IMO.
@hydro11 said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Tregaskis said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@hydro11 There is possibly a recent precedent. Two years ago Cruden transgressed and missed the Arg / SA tour plus the Bledisloe III game in Brisneyland (Barrett started, and Slade came on and kicked the matchwinner). I don't recall Cruden being injured (there was talk he would play for Manawatu during his "suspension" but I don't think it happened) and I believe his next game was the second EOYT game vs England (Carter started the first game in Chicago).
I have no idea what Cruden did but he served about a month for his misdemeanour. Perhaps Aaron Smith will serve the same.
Cruden was late for a flight which is a bit more serious IMO.
Err ... WHY was he late for a flight?
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@westcoastie said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
- Give Aaron some 'space' to deal with off-field stuff
Yeah about 3m x 2m of space ought to do it. Make sure its got the necessary bars and signage. Here's one they prepared earlier:
@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@westcoastie said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
- Give Aaron some 'space' to deal with off-field stuff
Yeah about 3m x 2m of space ought to do it. Make sure its got the necessary bars and signage. Here's one they prepared earlier:
I fitted out a toilet like that a few years back and there wasn't fixing for some of the grab rails which meant they had to be raised which wouldn't meet the specs so I told my boss and he replied "if you can't reach those there's something bloody wrong with ya".
Ffs.
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@Hooroo said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@jegga said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Who shifts when NMS is back ? Dagg to the bench?
These are real first world problems aren't they?
HA HA HA H A H AH AH HA H AH HA AHAHHA HA AHHA HA H AH AH HA HA HA HA
I love that we are awesome! I completely forgot he was out!
I had that thought when someone mentioned our lack of depth at wing. Not with NMS and Rieko available underneath Smith, Dagg, Savea and Naholo. How many do we need?
@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Hooroo said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@jegga said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Who shifts when NMS is back ? Dagg to the bench?
These are real first world problems aren't they?
HA HA HA H A H AH AH HA H AH HA AHAHHA HA AHHA HA H AH AH HA HA HA HA
I love that we are awesome! I completely forgot he was out!
I had that thought when someone mentioned our lack of depth at wing. Not with NMS and Rieko available underneath Smith, Dagg, Savea and Naholo. How many do we need?
Nainai had a week or so in the squad too didn'the?
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I'm thinking NMS may be lucky to get back in.
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
I'm thinking NMS may be lucky to get back in.
He should be in the squad but you could be right. If Hansen wants one of Savea/Naholo to start then NMS is in a shoot out with Dagg. NMS should be a more valuable squaddie than Naholo/Savea though.
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@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@westcoastie said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
- Give Aaron some 'space' to deal with off-field stuff
Yeah about 3m x 2m of space ought to do it. Make sure its got the necessary bars and signage. Here's one they prepared earlier:
I fitted out a toilet like that a few years back and there wasn't fixing for some of the grab rails which meant they had to be raised which wouldn't meet the specs so I told my boss and he replied "if you can't reach those there's something bloody wrong with ya".
Ffs.
@jegga said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@westcoastie said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
- Give Aaron some 'space' to deal with off-field stuff
Yeah about 3m x 2m of space ought to do it. Make sure its got the necessary bars and signage. Here's one they prepared earlier:
I fitted out a toilet like that a few years back and there wasn't fixing for some of the grab rails which meant they had to be raised which wouldn't meet the specs so I told my boss and he replied "if you can't reach those there's something bloody wrong with ya".
Ffs.
Smith is not a tall man. I suspect he bent her over the toilet rather than use grab rails.
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@jegga said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@westcoastie said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
- Give Aaron some 'space' to deal with off-field stuff
Yeah about 3m x 2m of space ought to do it. Make sure its got the necessary bars and signage. Here's one they prepared earlier:
I fitted out a toilet like that a few years back and there wasn't fixing for some of the grab rails which meant they had to be raised which wouldn't meet the specs so I told my boss and he replied "if you can't reach those there's something bloody wrong with ya".
Ffs.
Smith is not a tall man. I suspect he bent her over the toilet rather than use grab rails.
@Tregaskis said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@jegga said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@westcoastie said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
- Give Aaron some 'space' to deal with off-field stuff
Yeah about 3m x 2m of space ought to do it. Make sure its got the necessary bars and signage. Here's one they prepared earlier:
I fitted out a toilet like that a few years back and there wasn't fixing for some of the grab rails which meant they had to be raised which wouldn't meet the specs so I told my boss and he replied "if you can't reach those there's something bloody wrong with ya".
Ffs.
Smith is not a tall man. I suspect he bent her over the toilet rather than use grab rails.
You have obviously given it some thought.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
I'm thinking NMS may be lucky to get back in.
He should be in the squad but you could be right. If Hansen wants one of Savea/Naholo to start then NMS is in a shoot out with Dagg. NMS should be a more valuable squaddie than Naholo/Savea though.
@hydro11 said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
I'm thinking NMS may be lucky to get back in.
He should be in the squad but you could be right. If Hansen wants one of Savea/Naholo to start then NMS is in a shoot out with Dagg. NMS should be a more valuable squaddie than Naholo/Savea though.
Dagg has been a revelation on the wing, and he has attributes to his game that NMS does not. Will be very interesting to see where he fits in, as you say he should at least be in the squad.
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@hydro11 said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
I'm thinking NMS may be lucky to get back in.
He should be in the squad but you could be right. If Hansen wants one of Savea/Naholo to start then NMS is in a shoot out with Dagg. NMS should be a more valuable squaddie than Naholo/Savea though.
Dagg has been a revelation on the wing, and he has attributes to his game that NMS does not. Will be very interesting to see where he fits in, as you say he should at least be in the squad.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@hydro11 said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
I'm thinking NMS may be lucky to get back in.
He should be in the squad but you could be right. If Hansen wants one of Savea/Naholo to start then NMS is in a shoot out with Dagg. NMS should be a more valuable squaddie than Naholo/Savea though.
Dagg has been a revelation on the wing, and he has attributes to his game that NMS does not. Will be very interesting to see where he fits in, as you say he should at least be in the squad.
NMS was sensational last year but he did have one glaring weakness , I recently watched a replay of the Boks WC semi,
And they were bombing the ball NMS way , and Habana was taking the ball over the top of him almost at will
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What did Sopoaga wrong to get dropped ? He was excellent against the Boks when he came in and kicked goals like a machine. But maybe Hansen could select Cruden to bring him back into the mix so he would not be tempted to head north ...
@cgrant said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
What did Sopoaga wrong to get dropped ? He was excellent against the Boks when he came in and kicked goals like a machine. But maybe Hansen could select Cruden to bring him back into the mix so he would not be tempted to head north ...
Hansen insists players can't lose ground while injured and usually gives them the chance to regain their place.
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@cgrant said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
What did Sopoaga wrong to get dropped ? He was excellent against the Boks when he came in and kicked goals like a machine. But maybe Hansen could select Cruden to bring him back into the mix so he would not be tempted to head north ...
Hansen insists players can't lose ground while injured and usually gives them the chance to regain their place.
@Milk said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@cgrant said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
What did Sopoaga wrong to get dropped ? He was excellent against the Boks when he came in and kicked goals like a machine. But maybe Hansen could select Cruden to bring him back into the mix so he would not be tempted to head north ...
Hansen insists players can't lose ground while injured and usually gives them the chance to regain their place.
Cruden has clearly lost ground...
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That philosophy is a pretty firm line. Mostly because the incumbent rarely gets dropped outright, and injuries occur
regularly. The last one i can remember is Cory Jane being injured in 2013 and being usurped forever by some crappy utility called Ben Smith. Maybe Crockett being the top loose head for a game last year at RWC when woody finished up injured, before being injured himselfand losing out to moody. -
I'm going to add a slight voice of caution in all the excitement around BB this year. Yes, he has taken his chances, has improved in many aspects and is in a great run of form. All you can ask of really and he fully deserves his place.
Where my concern lies is that we haven't seen him under pressure, haven't seen how he controls a game when not on the front foot.
Our opposition has been so poor this year so far that Wales probably gave us our toughest moments. We held our own waiting for them to wither and then cut loose when going forward. What happens on that day where a team holds out for 80 minutes? Is BB the man to guide us into position?
I'm fairly sure that the overall team can and will overcome anything currently being thrown at them and I'm not advocating dumping Barrett at all.
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I'm going to add a slight voice of caution in all the excitement around BB this year. Yes, he has taken his chances, has improved in many aspects and is in a great run of form. All you can ask of really and he fully deserves his place.
Where my concern lies is that we haven't seen him under pressure, haven't seen how he controls a game when not on the front foot.
Our opposition has been so poor this year so far that Wales probably gave us our toughest moments. We held our own waiting for them to wither and then cut loose when going forward. What happens on that day where a team holds out for 80 minutes? Is BB the man to guide us into position?
I'm fairly sure that the overall team can and will overcome anything currently being thrown at them and I'm not advocating dumping Barrett at all.
I just have reservations that he may not be the complete answer.You've got to give Beaudy the benefit of the doubt when it comes to playing under pressure. He has played some seriously high pressure games at fullback coming off the bench and came through with flying colours.
That game at Ellis Park two years ago where he single handedly gave up the lead then took it back a minute later told me all I needed to know about his mental fortitude under pressure.
Five eighth is different sure. We also haven't seen how he deals with shitty service from halfback and hopefully we won't need to.
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You've got to give Beaudy the benefit of the doubt when it comes to playing under pressure. He has played some seriously high pressure games at fullback coming off the bench and came through with flying colours.
That game at Ellis Park two years ago where he single handedly gave up the lead then took it back a minute later told me all I needed to know about his mental fortitude under pressure.
Five eighth is different sure. We also haven't seen how he deals with shitty service from halfback and hopefully we won't need to.
@rotated said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
You've got to give Beaudy the benefit of the doubt when it comes to playing under pressure. He has played some seriously high pressure games at fullback coming off the bench and came through with flying colours.
That game at Ellis Park two years ago where he single handedly gave up the lead then took it back a minute later told me all I needed to know about his mental fortitude under pressure.
Five eighth is different sure. We also haven't seen how he deals with shitty service from halfback and hopefully we won't need to.
More the wonder of how he can control a pressured game from 10. We have seen him have to deal with shitty service (from TJP) but it was still going forward.
