Wallaby EOYT 2016
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Bloody hell, that match had me chewing my fingernails most of the way through. The only time I felt sure about the winner was during the first 20 minutes. Were Aussie that good or were we that bad? Dunno, perhaps a bit of both.
Peyper's performance wasn't that great but also it wasn't as poor as some would suggest. He missed a few knock ons but not too many glaring errors that influenced things. Yellow card was a joke though.
@Catogrande said in Wallaby EOYT 2016:
Bloody hell, that match had me chewing my fingernails most of the way through. The only time I felt sure about the winner was during the first 20 minutes. Were Aussie that good or were we that bad? Dunno, perhaps a bit of both.
Peyper's performance wasn't that great but also it wasn't as poor as some would suggest. He missed a few knock ons but not too many glaring errors that influenced things. Yellow card was a joke though.
I'm surprised that Peyer and the TMO missed all of England neck roll offenses in the first half. England made their own luck which is a mark of a good side.
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Well well. 6N should come down to Ire vs Eng in Dublin, but I rate France a chance to throw a spanner in the works, although Ireland have France at home.
The NH somewhat owned the AIs in the end, not a single signature SH display, bar Australia creaming a truly woeful Wales.
@Billy-Tell said in Wallaby EOYT 2016:
Well well. 6N should come down to Ire vs Eng in Dublin, but I rate France a chance to throw a spanner in the works, although Ireland have France at home.
The NH somewhat owned the AIs in the end, not a single signature SH display, bar Australia creaming a truly woeful Wales.
The SH teams don't look as 'fresh' as in previous years. Moore was asked by the interviewer were they tired and he said "no". He was just trying not to make excuses but the reality is they did look tired.
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@Billy-Tell said in Wallaby EOYT 2016:
Well well. 6N should come down to Ire vs Eng in Dublin, but I rate France a chance to throw a spanner in the works, although Ireland have France at home.
The NH somewhat owned the AIs in the end, not a single signature SH display, bar Australia creaming a truly woeful Wales.
The SH teams don't look as 'fresh' as in previous years. Moore was asked by the interviewer were they tired and he said "no". He was just trying not to make excuses but the reality is they did look tired.
@profitius said in Wallaby EOYT 2016:
@Billy-Tell said in Wallaby EOYT 2016:
Well well. 6N should come down to Ire vs Eng in Dublin, but I rate France a chance to throw a spanner in the works, although Ireland have France at home.
The NH somewhat owned the AIs in the end, not a single signature SH display, bar Australia creaming a truly woeful Wales.
The SH teams don't look as 'fresh' as in previous years. Moore was asked by the interviewer were they tired and he said "no". He was just trying not to make excuses but the reality is they did look tired.
But its the excuse we hear year in year out during the June tours. Its the first think we hear and its already an excuse being used by the Lions. Change the record its got a big scratch and the needle is stuck
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@Billy-Tell said in Wallaby EOYT 2016:
Well well. 6N should come down to Ire vs Eng in Dublin, but I rate France a chance to throw a spanner in the works, although Ireland have France at home.
The NH somewhat owned the AIs in the end, not a single signature SH display, bar Australia creaming a truly woeful Wales.
The SH teams don't look as 'fresh' as in previous years. Moore was asked by the interviewer were they tired and he said "no". He was just trying not to make excuses but the reality is they did look tired.
@profitius said in Wallaby EOYT 2016:
@Billy-Tell said in Wallaby EOYT 2016:
Well well. 6N should come down to Ire vs Eng in Dublin, but I rate France a chance to throw a spanner in the works, although Ireland have France at home.
The NH somewhat owned the AIs in the end, not a single signature SH display, bar Australia creaming a truly woeful Wales.
The SH teams don't look as 'fresh' as in previous years. Moore was asked by the interviewer were they tired and he said "no". He was just trying not to make excuses but the reality is they did look tired.
The teams are tired. I don't like it being used as a excuse. And luckily it isn't.
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Hell of a year to be a pommy rugby supporter, didn't see the game but if reports are anything to go by if England had their shit together in the first 20 it could have been an absolute shocker for Australia.
Krusty has coached his team to 6 wins from 15 games this year, there must be rumours in aussie about him getting the axe soon? -
It has to be said, our record of 18 wins is under genuine threat now, will seem a bit hollow though if they get there without playing the ABs you would think ...... no fault of theirs though.
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It has to be said, our record of 18 wins is under genuine threat now, will seem a bit hollow though if they get there without playing the ABs you would think ...... no fault of theirs though.
@kiwiinmelb said in Wallaby EOYT 2016:
It has to be said, our record of 18 wins is under genuine threat now, will seem a bit hollow though if they get there without playing the ABs you would think ...... no fault of theirs though.
It really doesn't matter if they do get more than 18 wins it doesn't prove anything as it doesn't prove a lot with us. If they do well done to them. But I couldn't give a Fcuk but the media will think its like Zeus has returned and is playing for England.
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@kiwiinmelb said in Wallaby EOYT 2016:
It has to be said, our record of 18 wins is under genuine threat now, will seem a bit hollow though if they get there without playing the ABs you would think ...... no fault of theirs though.
It really doesn't matter if they do get more than 18 wins it doesn't prove anything as it doesn't prove a lot with us. If they do well done to them. But I couldn't give a Fcuk but the media will think its like Zeus has returned and is playing for England.
@Wreck-Diver said in Wallaby EOYT 2016:
@kiwiinmelb said in Wallaby EOYT 2016:
It has to be said, our record of 18 wins is under genuine threat now, will seem a bit hollow though if they get there without playing the ABs you would think ...... no fault of theirs though.
It really doesn't matter if they do get more than 18 wins it doesn't prove anything as it doesn't prove a lot with us. If they do well done to them. But I couldn't give a Fcuk but the media will think its like Zeus has returned and is playing for England.
How does it not prove a lot with us?
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Hell of a year to be a pommy rugby supporter, didn't see the game but if reports are anything to go by if England had their shit together in the first 20 it could have been an absolute shocker for Australia.
Krusty has coached his team to 6 wins from 15 games this year, there must be rumours in aussie about him getting the axe soon?@jegga said in Wallaby EOYT 2016:
Krusty has coached his team to 6 wins from 15 games this year, there must be rumours in aussie about him getting the axe soon?
Who else is there?
Anyway, i hope nobody in the Wallabies camp blames the ref. I'm going back to sleep. Cricket season!
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Hell of a year to be a pommy rugby supporter, didn't see the game but if reports are anything to go by if England had their shit together in the first 20 it could have been an absolute shocker for Australia.
Krusty has coached his team to 6 wins from 15 games this year, there must be rumours in aussie about him getting the axe soon?@jegga And SA had 8 loses - a poor year for both teams.
I haven't seen the game yet but have recorded it. This Grand Slam tour was always going to be demanding, and in hindsight Aust would have been wiser to play Ireland and England at the start. They probably had little choice though.
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Reading commentary: execution killed us. Held up twice over the line. A little knock on from Pocock prevented another try. Another pass created an intercept. Some shit work from Phipps and others trying to inject some pace.
The coach has to wear some of that, and also the fact that the bench didn't see a lot of time this tour.
But the players simply have to do better. The effect of Byrnes has not quite filtered through, clearly.
The depth is probably better right now, but not across all positions.
Really need 2017 to be that turning point to build a couple of good years. Right now, I could give less fucks about rugby.
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Bit of a misread on the events there Nick. The tries held up were more to do with good defence than poor execution. Pococks knock on created an opportunity rather than lose one.
The real killer for you guys was Phipps having a complete brain fart waiting for a call from Peyper that never came. At that point in the game your lot were playing better and England were starting to look like they might get frustrated and crumble. It let them back in, they gathered their heads and built from there.
However you were hard done by with Yardes try. The TMO telling Peyper he never lost contact with the ball while the evidence was the opposite. -
Bit of a misread on the events there Nick. The tries held up were more to do with good defence than poor execution. Pococks knock on created an opportunity rather than lose one.
The real killer for you guys was Phipps having a complete brain fart waiting for a call from Peyper that never came. At that point in the game your lot were playing better and England were starting to look like they might get frustrated and crumble. It let them back in, they gathered their heads and built from there.
However you were hard done by with Yardes try. The TMO telling Peyper he never lost contact with the ball while the evidence was the opposite.@Crucial said in Wallaby EOYT 2016:
Bit of a misread on the events there Nick. The tries held up were more to do with good defence than poor execution. Pococks knock on created an opportunity rather than lose one.
Getting held up is good defensive execution, but getting close enough to be over the line and not being able to score indicates another option was available, or that the subsequent scrum play wasn't good enough.
The point I guess I was trying to make is we got close, but couldn't finish.
Its another game I won't see due to the shitty timeslot
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Good match. Australia came out like a house on fire, similar to the first Test in June, and England looked to be hanging on by their fingernails. Australia couldn't keep up the intensity though, and also like in that first Test England's forwards managed to get on top and built the pressure.
Some very strange refereeing calls both ways - I thought Yarde's try was a knock-on and DHP should never have been sin-binned, but also Pocock clearly dived on Farrell when he had dropped to collect a loose ball in the lead-up to the first Australian try.
I thought Nathan Hughes was excellent for England - he had big shoes to fill and while he doesn't have quite Billy V's relentless go forward, he kept carrying well after Timani had vanished from sight, and his extra acceleration and threat of the offload adds a different dimension.
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Pretty disappointing way to end the season.
We started strongly, but needed to make it count more than we did. Should have been 20-blot, but we couldn't convert our chances and let England back in.
In the end, England were just too good. Hung tough in the first stanza, then kicked away. Their forwards were too physical, their backs too composed. They waited for our errors and then feasted on them.
Peyper was poor, but it didn't effect the end result. I thought he was only watching one team at the breakdown, and the Poms got all the 50/50s - the call before Youngs try was a case in point. But that's rugby, and we had plenty of chances to take him out of the game but didn't take them.
What to make of that season? Fuck I don't know. We played 7 games against the best two sides in the World, and were well dusted in all fucking 7. Still can't quite believe that, after the form we showed at the RWC.
Rugby's a funny game sometimes, hey.
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Reading commentary: execution killed us. Held up twice over the line. A little knock on from Pocock prevented another try. Another pass created an intercept. Some shit work from Phipps and others trying to inject some pace.
The coach has to wear some of that, and also the fact that the bench didn't see a lot of time this tour.
But the players simply have to do better. The effect of Byrnes has not quite filtered through, clearly.
The depth is probably better right now, but not across all positions.
Really need 2017 to be that turning point to build a couple of good years. Right now, I could give less fucks about rugby.
@NTA Timani was huge in the first half, NTA. Quieter in the second as England had all the ball. But it makes you wonder how Cheika selected Mumm last week when you have this great ball runner to pick from. The lineout appeared to be fine as well with him there. He should at the very least be selected on the bench to bring on some impact later in the game. Cheika's selections at times this year have been questionable.
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It has to be said, our record of 18 wins is under genuine threat now, will seem a bit hollow though if they get there without playing the ABs you would think ...... no fault of theirs though.
@kiwiinmelb records are made to be broken.
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@NTA Timani was huge in the first half, NTA. Quieter in the second as England had all the ball. But it makes you wonder how Cheika selected Mumm last week when you have this great ball runner to pick from. The lineout appeared to be fine as well with him there. He should at the very least be selected on the bench to bring on some impact later in the game. Cheika's selections at times this year have been questionable.
@akan004 said in Wallaby EOYT 2016:
@NTA Timani was huge in the first half, NTA. Quieter in the second as England had all the ball. But it makes you wonder how Cheika selected Mumm last week when you have this great ball runner to pick from. The lineout appeared to be fine as well with him there. He should at the very least be selected on the bench to bring on some impact later in the game. Cheika's selection at times this year have been questionable.
Yeah I think we need to see a proper #8, even if you're going to have the Pooper on the flanks. That won't be a concern next year with Pocock on sabbatical. Hopefully Timani continues at 8, and guys like Holloway and McCalman get a good season in.
Most of the games I watched, we needed to get more out of the tight five. Wales was an exception, but then Wales were shit and we cantered that one home.
Some of the selections have looked like horses for courses, and then shit in hindsight. We lost to Ireland by 3, despite the lopsided penalty count and Mumm's brainfart. But if we'd won, does Mumm's good work to make up for that error get tossed away?
The real question you have to ask: in two games against the ABs, the Irish gave away 8 penalties. So why pick a Wallaby lineup with two opensides, that is likely to get penalised at the breakdown? Didn't help that Ireland had stacks of possession, which was a factor in how many you give away.
Dunno. People have perception of players and tend to stick with them. Some people look at Genia's work this year in contrast to Phipps, and forget every fucking awful box kick he put up. Swings and roundabouts.
The thing is, we need to stop losing on the swings. If that makes any sense.
Ultimately, losses like Ireland, and this one, are better for the team over the longer term. The cracks can't be papered over - our discipline and execution just aren't good enough.
And that needs to change at the provincial level and schools level. Skills just aren't valued when incumbency is pretty much assured. The kids who are in the school first XV have few rivals to put pressure on them. The base isn't broad enough.
