Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown & Dublin Duel
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IMO the single biggest mistake was not trusting Barrett to start. He was fine when he came on! Playing 2 non-jumping locks when Ireland have Toner is just poor.
Also BB was not flash under pressure, and Smith I think might have for the moment slipped behind Perenara.
Moody had a mare, and ALB would have much better on the bench.
Also one flying polynesian on the wings, not 2.
A humbling defeat, Ireland were really superb for much of the match, simple game-plan executed to perfection.
Dublin should be a cracker!
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@Crash said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
Christ and now the BBC and Sky are whooping it up
Don't tune in to any non NZ tv station or surf any other website apart from this one till we hopefully redeem ourselves in Dublin. It feels like we have just been knocked out of a world cup.
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IMO the single biggest mistake was not trusting Barrett to start. He was fine when he came on! Playing 2 non-jumping locks when Ireland have Toner is just poor.
Also BB was not flash under pressure, and Smith I think might have for the moment slipped behind Perenara.
Moody had a mare, and ALB would have much better on the bench.
Also one flying polynesian on the wings, not 2.
A humbling defeat, Ireland were really superb for much of the match, simple game-plan executed to perfection.
Dublin should be a cracker!
@Billy-Tell said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
IMO the single biggest mistake was not trusting Barrett to start. He was fine when he came on! Playing 2 non-jumping locks when Ireland have Toner is just poor.
Also BB was not flash under pressure, and Smith I think might have for the moment slipped behind Perenara.
Moody had a mare, and ALB would have much better on the bench.
Also one flying polynesian on the wings, not 2.
A humbling defeat, Ireland were really superb for much of the match, simple game-plan executed to perfection.
Dublin should be a cracker!
We did only have one.
(I assume that Naholo is Melanesian Fijian and not Rotuman).And we've been getting by with the combo of Dagg and Savea this year.
Nitpicking to soften the blow.
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The BBC, Sky, Telegraph, Guardian can all go fuck themselves if they think they're going to dine out on that victory.
Irish Times, Irish Independent, RTE, 42.ie go knock yourselves out.
I'm pissed that I didn't make the 1-5 margin though.
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@Kirwan said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
Classy from Hansen again, take notes on how to handle a disappointing loss Chieka.
This.
Don't whinge about ifs, buts, maybes and the ref. Take it on the chin, congratulate the opposition, move on and watch the tapes.
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Fuck. Glad it wasn't a loss to Australia but every loss sucks.
Not many positives to take out of that game. Shit discipline, shit handling, poor defence, shit lineout and no spark on attack for most of the game.
The loss of our three top locks really hurt us. Playing loose forwards there was a mistake especially next to a non aerial lock in Pat T. The other thing playing Kaino at 4 did was it meant we didn't have Kaino at 6. While Squire wasn't too bad he isn't Kaino.
Read and Cane were pretty quiet by their standards. But Ardie had a few good carries when he came on.
Moody...Fuck. Hope he isn't turning into a card magnet. Not what we need.
Backs were all pretty meh. Savea pretty much took the worst possible option for that 5m scrum late in the game. Kicking it or trying to run it out may have ended with a similar result but running into the in goal was only ever going to result in a 5m scrum. Naholo not much better, although he did make that nice break for our first try. Centres didn't offer a hell of a lot and A Smith was pretty rubbish by his standards (agree, I blame those scum bags from the airport)
Barrets goal kicking was ropey again. Turning into a real concern now. Problem is that Cruden isn't that great either.
Hopefully they get Barrett some intensive kicking coaching over the off season. If Dagg could really focus on kicking it would make him a pretty valuable player and might see him hold off NMS when he returns.The new injuries are going to throw a bit of a spanner in the works. Crotty and Moala looking to be gone.
I guess Fekitoa-ALB is now the first choice with Ioane probably getting a shot too. I guess they will also bring in Tamanivalu and maybe Buckman too.Lets hope that puts a rocket up them and they demolish Italy, Ireland at home and France.
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Fuck. Glad it wasn't a loss to Australia but every loss sucks.
Not many positives to take out of that game. Shit discipline, shit handling, poor defence, shit lineout and no spark on attack for most of the game.
The loss of our three top locks really hurt us. Playing loose forwards there was a mistake especially next to a non aerial lock in Pat T. The other thing playing Kaino at 4 did was it meant we didn't have Kaino at 6. While Squire wasn't too bad he isn't Kaino.
Read and Cane were pretty quiet by their standards. But Ardie had a few good carries when he came on.
Moody...Fuck. Hope he isn't turning into a card magnet. Not what we need.
Backs were all pretty meh. Savea pretty much took the worst possible option for that 5m scrum late in the game. Kicking it or trying to run it out may have ended with a similar result but running into the in goal was only ever going to result in a 5m scrum. Naholo not much better, although he did make that nice break for our first try. Centres didn't offer a hell of a lot and A Smith was pretty rubbish by his standards (agree, I blame those scum bags from the airport)
Barrets goal kicking was ropey again. Turning into a real concern now. Problem is that Cruden isn't that great either.
Hopefully they get Barrett some intensive kicking coaching over the off season. If Dagg could really focus on kicking it would make him a pretty valuable player and might see him hold off NMS when he returns.The new injuries are going to throw a bit of a spanner in the works. Crotty and Moala looking to be gone.
I guess Fekitoa-ALB is now the first choice with Ioane probably getting a shot too. I guess they will also bring in Tamanivalu and maybe Buckman too.Lets hope that puts a rocket up them and they demolish Italy, Ireland at home and France.
@pukunui said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
The loss of our three top locks really hurt us. Playing loose forwards there was a mistake especially next to a non aerial lock in Pat T. The other thing playing Kaino at 4 did was it meant we didn't have Kaino at 6. While Squire wasn't too bad he isn't Kaino.
I really rate Hansen's use of subs, but am still confused why they pulled Kaino off instead of Squire when bringing on Barrett
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If there is one benefit from this, TSF is going to be a damn sight more interesting for the next few weeks - I'm not going to any other websites except for the Irish Independent and the 42.ie for a while.
And for people's mental health, don't read comments sections for christsake, it's getting ugly already
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Guys, c'mon. We just won 18 in a row and we're World Champs, and two in a row at that. It's been an unbelievable run post WC but we've done everything this year we needed to do so anyone who knocks that is a bottom feeder. Personally I've been in la la land this year with the results so far, so this result is actually kind of welcome as in my opinion, it's the first time we've met a team worthy of testing us and it's definitely exposed a load of things we can work on. I'm not sure we would have beaten Ireland with a full strength team either. But post WC and after all those team losses, I have to say I'm still stoked even if we've lost our 111 year unbeaten record today.
