All Blacks v Ireland II
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@nzzp said in Ireland II:
@JustAnotherFan said in Ireland II:
@nzzp said in Ireland II:
@rotated said in Ireland II:
All the window dressing aside Ireland have came to play today - they still don't have much on attack unless they catch you on a bad day - but absolutely full credit for actually fronting and giving a good tight test.
Schmidt has Ireland playing the type of rugby Gatland has spent 10 years trying to get Wales to play.
Yeah, 9 points is poor considering they had 20 minutes against 14, at home, with a crowd influencing a ref
It isn't the ref making high tackles taking the head offs the opponents or doing the Aaron Smith offside play at the breakdown. Just curious why you say Peyper is a home town ref. Between him and TMO he gave AB's 14 points for free. He didn't have balls to go to TMO on a forward pass. We all know the try wasn't grounded by Beaudy. Refs must realize that with cams from all angles things get picked up. 2 errors from TMO / Peyper cost Ireland the game. Wait for the press.
Are you trolling? I'll bite once, and that's me
Clearly grounded the ball on the first replay angle (and a head high to boot)
THe second was a line ball - once the ref calls it, you need more than a crowd booing to overturn. Looked fine to me - look at the lines on the ground and the hand action to clarify
You don't need to look at lines on the ground only the action of the passer. There is no way barring incompetence that would be called a clear and obvious forward pass.
We don't all know the ball wasn't grounded. I saw ball touch ground from one angle and doubt from another angle. The first over rules the second.@Crucial said in Ireland II:
@nzzp said in Ireland II:
@JustAnotherFan said in Ireland II:
@nzzp said in Ireland II:
@rotated said in Ireland II:
All the window dressing aside Ireland have came to play today - they still don't have much on attack unless they catch you on a bad day - but absolutely full credit for actually fronting and giving a good tight test.
Schmidt has Ireland playing the type of rugby Gatland has spent 10 years trying to get Wales to play.
Yeah, 9 points is poor considering they had 20 minutes against 14, at home, with a crowd influencing a ref
It isn't the ref making high tackles taking the head offs the opponents or doing the Aaron Smith offside play at the breakdown. Just curious why you say Peyper is a home town ref. Between him and TMO he gave AB's 14 points for free. He didn't have balls to go to TMO on a forward pass. We all know the try wasn't grounded by Beaudy. Refs must realize that with cams from all angles things get picked up. 2 errors from TMO / Peyper cost Ireland the game. Wait for the press.
Are you trolling? I'll bite once, and that's me
Clearly grounded the ball on the first replay angle (and a head high to boot)
THe second was a line ball - once the ref calls it, you need more than a crowd booing to overturn. Looked fine to me - look at the lines on the ground and the hand action to clarify
You don't need to look at lines on the ground only the action of the passer. There is no way barring incompetence that would be called a clear and obvious forward pass.
We don't all know the ball wasn't grounded. I saw ball touch ground from one angle and doubt from another angle. The first over rules the second.Yep, but you need the lines to see where the hand action is. If you run a diagonal, you can't move your hands forward. That pass was fine.
We should be talking about the BB knock on that robbed us of a try. ROBBED.
WE WERE ROBBED. IRB MUST BE HELD TO ACCOUNT! REF MUST NEVER REFEREE AGAIN! HE IS BIASED AGAINST US!
WE WOULD HAVE WON IF WE GET THAT.
ok, rant over
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@No-Quarter said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
Ireland just couldn't quite match the accuracy of Chicago. Broke the All Blacks line enough times, but hands let them down.
All Blacks did enough, but still didn't look as superlative as we're used to seeing. Poor quality of this year's Rugby Championship perhaps giving a bit of an exaggerated perception?
Perhaps, probably more to do with it being the end of a bloody long season. The Wallabies are still unbeaten, be interesting to see how they finish their tour.
Isn't that the excuse you always used to scoff at the NH for using?
South Africa are a mess. Australia were whitewashed at home and mentally broken by England before the RC, and only just squeaked past Scotland (!) last week. Argentina just lost to Wales AND Scotland.
New Zealand are the best in the world, but the overall quality of the rest of the RC teams has been very poor this year.
PH, do you think you can play better than Chicago ?
Not a trick question , just curious ,
I guess most think NZ can play a hell of a lot better , whether that happens or not who knows .
I thought Ireland were as good today as Chicago , not much in it, so much guts and effort again ,
NZ were better though , defensively heaps better , ,linespeed was like a different team altogether , and the lineout was functioning again due to their locks back ,
that was the main difference for me
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@booboo said in Ireland II:
@SynicBast said in Ireland II:
@booboo said in Ireland II:
Good argument for a PT on the deliberate knock on by Trimble
The attempted intercept? I thought that was a good ref's call
I think right call. But I've seen them given in exactly that situation.
Agree but think it was a genuine attempt rather than a deliberate spoiler.
There was a definite deliberate knock on later from an Irish player reaching one handed for a high ball@Crucial said in Ireland II:
@booboo said in Ireland II:
@SynicBast said in Ireland II:
@booboo said in Ireland II:
Good argument for a PT on the deliberate knock on by Trimble
The attempted intercept? I thought that was a good ref's call
I think right call. But I've seen them given in exactly that situation.
Agree but think it was a genuine attempt rather than a deliberate spoiler.
There was a definite deliberate knock on later from an Irish player reaching one handed for a high ballIs that where the commentators were calling for a card because Kearney had been taken without the ball??
Gee they made me laugh. In retrospect.
Mrs boo very upset they would call BZ the All Blacks.
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I honestly expected a more comprehensive display from the Abs after the Chicago loss. Our loosies were well and truly outplayed after Cane left and our forwards in general were shaded by the Irish. I don't think we are that far ahead of the pack as originally thought. Ireland's injuries cost them dearly and were unlucky not too have scored on a couple of occasions. Fekitoa probably played his last game in an All Black jersey imo.
@akan004 said in Ireland II:
I honestly expected a more comprehensive display from the Abs after the Chicago loss. Our loosies were well and truly outplayed after Cane left and our forwards in general were shaded by the Irish. I don't think we are that far ahead of the pack as originally thought. Ireland's injuries cost them dearly and were unlucky not too have scored on a couple of occasions. Fekitoa probably played his last game in an All Black jersey imo.
That's because they had ASavea on the bench and not Todd.
I doubt it will be Fekitoa's last AB jersey, but I hope he won't be playing France, either because Crotty is fit or because Tamanivalu gets another chance.
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How was Smith's card even a penalty? Ball was out, he was onside and came right through the middle with no hands.
Yet Savea gets tackled and Best gets a turnover with help from his players on the ground, Whitelock gets a turnover and it's scrum Ireland. Righto...
@Bones said in Ireland II:
How was Smith's card even a penalty? Ball was out, he was onside and came right through the middle with no hands.
Yet Savea gets tackled and Best gets a turnover with help from his players on the ground, Whitelock gets a turnover and it's scrum Ireland. Righto...
Haven't been grumpy about a redereeing oerformance this year. But by crikey O'Piper was leaning heavily to the Paddies.
Am sure it was down to the Barrett try which he disagreed with.
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That was shit. Shit discipline and and shit hot potato rugby. We suck donkeys balls under the highball. The midfield just didn't work and Feki has to go.
Positives: Played with 14 men for 20 minutes, Ireland played like demons on speed, but we still won comfortably enough.
BB and locks awesome.
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i think it is fair to say that Hansen underestimated the Irish in Chicago and his selections did cost us dearly.
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@Crucial said in Ireland II:
@booboo said in Ireland II:
@SynicBast said in Ireland II:
@booboo said in Ireland II:
Good argument for a PT on the deliberate knock on by Trimble
Agree but think it was a genuine attempt rather than a deliberate spoiler.
There was a definite deliberate knock on later from an Irish player reaching one handed for a high ballYeah Rob kearney, serial whinger as well - he doesn't understand that if he is trying to control a ball he is eligible to be tackled
@SynicBast said in Ireland II:
@Crucial said in Ireland II:
@booboo said in Ireland II:
@SynicBast said in Ireland II:
@booboo said in Ireland II:
Good argument for a PT on the deliberate knock on by Trimble
Agree but think it was a genuine attempt rather than a deliberate spoiler.
There was a definite deliberate knock on later from an Irish player reaching one handed for a high ballYeah Rob kearney, serial whinger as well - he doesn't understand that if he is trying to control a ball he is eligible to be tackled
What he said
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Fekitoa reflex action but off to the bin.
A Smith needs to be pulled ASAP.
@No-Quarter said in Ireland II:
Fekitoa reflex action but off to the bin.
A Smith needs to be pulled ASAP.
My first reaction was there was nothing in it. But YC justified in this case.
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They even mentioned Peyper being influenced by the crowd in the after match discussion on tele. I think it was obvious that he was. The booing was awful and I really hope the Aussies do the Irish over (never thought that I would say that). Terrible crowd, more embarrassing than booing Qwade (even though he deserves it).
Hanson just said "all you want the ref to do is be consistent. That's all I have to say about that."
Says it all really.
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How great is it to have two locks that tackle, compete at the ruck, take lineout ball, and just do their job.
How poor was Aaron Smith? Most notable is that his kicking has gone to the dogs.
Even before Cane went off our loosies were struggling a bit at the breakdown. In attack I thought Squire and Read were very good.
Barrett looked freshened with the week off. Showed a clean set of heels a few times.
Like our back three today. Didn't do everything perfect, but a better overall performance.
Whether it's the NZ commentators or the Irish ones I had on to start the game - mute is still the best option
Well done ABs
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I honestly expected a more comprehensive display from the Abs after the Chicago loss. Our loosies were well and truly outplayed after Cane left and our forwards in general were shaded by the Irish. I don't think we are that far ahead of the pack as originally thought. Ireland's injuries cost them dearly and were unlucky not too have scored on a couple of occasions. Fekitoa probably played his last game in an All Black jersey imo.
I am just not impressed with Fekitoa's accuracy in general, just way below AB standard. The thought of having Fekitoa, Savea, Naholo and Moala on the field at the same time is shocking but that's what we had in Chicago, I am starting to wonder if we can have more than one power back on the field at one time.
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Bish bash bosh from Ireland, but they're not getting anywhere. Can't see them doing that all half - they'll run out of puff.
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@Stargazer said in Ireland II:
BB by far the best AB on the field. Read having a much better 2nd half thus far.
2nd best.
You obviously didn't watch Brodie
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@Stargazer said in Ireland II:
BB by far the best AB on the field. Read having a much better 2nd half thus far.
2nd best.
You obviously didn't watch Brodie
@booboo said in Ireland II:
@Stargazer said in Ireland II:
BB by far the best AB on the field. Read having a much better 2nd half thus far.
2nd best.
You obviously didn't watch Brodie
Brodie was a manbeast around the fringes - he made some absolutely monstrous cover hits that stuffed the Irish angled runners in their tracks and did it without going high like Fuckknuckle fekitoa
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@DMX It didn't help, but losing our two world class locks and getting cleaned up in the lineouts was the major reason IMO.
Losing our locks was a huge factor in Chicago but clearly Barrett jr would have put up more resistance than Kaino or PT in the second row, the mix in the backs was completely wrong, and Crockett should have been on the bench, A. Smith was not ready to come back though admittedly this was a harder call.
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@Stargazer said in Ireland II:
BB by far the best AB on the field. Read having a much better 2nd half thus far.
2nd best.
You obviously didn't watch Brodie
