All Blacks v Ireland II
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That was an excellent test - I was pretty worried until we scored the third try. Ireland were dominating for most of the middle 60 minutes of that match and only some great defending kept them out.
Was surprised and quite relieved they took the three points just before halftime - I would have packed another scrum, looked at least for another penalty and another man in the bin.
Lots of stupid penalties given away by the ABs, especially in the second half - every time we had a chance to build some momentum and clear the line someone would do something stupid and back under the pump we'd go.
Fekitoa's tackle was an absolute shocker - different day, different ref and he could have got a red for that.
Thought the Irish played really well - nullified a lot of our strengths. Their lineout was well drilled, loosies had the better of ours, they grabbed most of the 50-50 high balls.
Our scrum seemed to have a slight edge and we took our handful of chances better.
Been a very valuable series, bearing in mind the Lions next year. They've sent us home with plenty to think about.
@Chris-B. said in Ireland II:
Been a very valuable series, bearing in mind the Lions next year. They've sent us home with plenty to think about.
Plenty for Gatland and co to think about to. Unless the 6N goes spectacularly wrong you are going to have both Irish and English pundits, players and administrators believing they should make up the core of the team - while Gats still has to look after his own guys.
Ideal scenario is Wales win the 6N narrowly (they do have IRE and ENG at home) so they think they deserve a bulk of the first XV and we just let the Home Union administrators beat the Lions before they even get out here.
As you said very good for us too as us the edgeiness should still carry through to the Lions series.
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That was an excellent test - I was pretty worried until we scored the third try. Ireland were dominating for most of the middle 60 minutes of that match and only some great defending kept them out.
Was surprised and quite relieved they took the three points just before halftime - I would have packed another scrum, looked at least for another penalty and another man in the bin.
Lots of stupid penalties given away by the ABs, especially in the second half - every time we had a chance to build some momentum and clear the line someone would do something stupid and back under the pump we'd go.
Fekitoa's tackle was an absolute shocker - different day, different ref and he could have got a red for that.
Thought the Irish played really well - nullified a lot of our strengths. Their lineout was well drilled, loosies had the better of ours, they grabbed most of the 50-50 high balls.
Our scrum seemed to have a slight edge and we took our handful of chances better.
Been a very valuable series, bearing in mind the Lions next year. They've sent us home with plenty to think about.
@Chris-B. said in Ireland II:
That was an excellent test - I was pretty worried until we scored the third try. Ireland were dominating for most of the middle 60 minutes of that match and only some great defending kept them out.
Was surprised and quite relieved they took the three points just before halftime - I would have packed another scrum, looked at least for another penalty and another man in the bin.
I said exactly the same thing at the time. Another scrum and a penalty would have been almost guaranteed plus the strong possibility of another card (especially with peyper in this mood) was relieved when they didn't
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Interesting game. Ireland willing but our defense was excellent, and just kept whacking them. Their back row are all very effective carriers.
For us we just couldn't turn half chances in to points. Nearly every time we got the ball we created opportunity, but would turn it over and be back defending again.
Score line reflected Ireland's effort, but flattered their effectiveness.
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@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
@rotated said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
@booboo said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
Just saw this slow-mo of the Cane high tackle on YouTube. At the time in the match I thought it was more of a head-clash and a penalty only was a fair call, but the second angle here looks really ugly.
I expect a citing for both Cane and Fekitoa.
Quick! tweet Brett Gosper.
Tweet Brian Moore.
We need a hashtag and arm bands.
Who is it you think you're talking to? I'm a neutral here, I have no axe to grind.
I posted the video because it shows an angle that wasn't shown on TV (at least on my feed) and it changed my perception on what I thought was a borderline penalty to a pretty clear yellow at least.
And from your defensive reaction, I think you see it too.
I for one welcome your neutral opinion Simon.
Do you think you can dig up any neutral videos of the Sexton hit on Barrett?
Glad you asked.
Definitely above the shoulders, not particularly dangerous but should have been a penalty at least.
Not remotely in the same league as Cane or Fekitoa's though.
That was a clear yellow. Swinging arm round the temples.
I don't think Barrett grounded it but should have been a yellow and penalty try.
Fekitoa deserved yellow. Canes was a head clash that made it look bad on slo mo.
@da_grubster It's a clear try. Sexton's arm isn't underneath the ball, it's next to it.
Jaco's refereeing was an utter disgrace. The only call he got right all night was Fekitoa's YC. Aaron's was a monstrous travesty considering he came straight through and kicked the ball - perfectly legal. Sexton should have been penalised for his swinging arm to BB's head.
How this clown is on the Test panel beggars belief.
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@da_grubster said in Ireland II:
Clearly you don't watch a lot of rugby.
Deserved yellow card for a poor tackle
Steady on chap, I have been watching rugby since the 87 World Cup. My humble opinion is that tackle could have been a red on another day. Maybe I need another viewing.
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@da_grubster said in Ireland II:
Clearly you don't watch a lot of rugby.
Deserved yellow card for a poor tackle
Steady on chap, I have been watching rugby since the 87 World Cup. My humble opinion is that tackle could have been a red on another day. Maybe I need another viewing.
@chimoaus said in Ireland II:
@da_grubster said in Ireland II:
Clearly you don't watch a lot of rugby.
Deserved yellow card for a poor tackle
Steady on chap, I have been watching rugby since the 87 World Cup. My humble opinion is that tackle could have been a red on another day. Maybe I need another viewing.
Once you roll the Referee Dice these days, you just don't know what the hell will happen. Was it against Arg that we copped a penalty (or yellow) for a straight up hard tackle around the shoulders?
Poor from Fekitoa, and you need to do better than put yourself into that situation at the referees whim.
All that said, the bleating at the ref by multiple players during the game is becoming worrisome. Would like to see this clamped down on, and soon.
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@da_grubster It's a clear try. Sexton's arm isn't underneath the ball, it's next to it.
Jaco's refereeing was an utter disgrace. The only call he got right all night was Fekitoa's YC. Aaron's was a monstrous travesty considering he came straight through and kicked the ball - perfectly legal. Sexton should have been penalised for his swinging arm to BB's head.
How this clown is on the Test panel beggars belief.
Thought the first replay showed it grounded. The second replay didn't.
Should have been penalty try/yo if not.
Why did BB run so far over the line before grounding?!
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Glad we won that game. Is that the first time this year we haven't scored 4 tries?
We bombed a couple. The Coles break down the sideline and the Cruden drop off the Dagg run.The Irish captain and Peiper can get fucked. When your team is allowed to fly off their feet into every ruck and get turnovers on your knees yet the other team gets pinged for absolutely everything at ruck time you have no right to whinge. He should have been told to fuck off or be penalised when he walked out during that conversion.
Fekitoa lucky not to get a red. Wouldn't be surprised to see him get a ban.Should have been a penalty try and yellow for that Barrett try. So doubt about grounding is irrelevant. Having said that BB should have just put the ball down earlier. Its not as if he was wide out.
BB was my MOM. He ran and goal kicked well. Thought he chip kicked a bit too much with our lack of possession though. Those who pointed to the chip kick being a team tactic last week obviously right. Still think we over did it though.
BBBR, Whitelock and Dagg made a huge difference. A Smith the only one who had a shocker. Surprised he didn't get dragged earlier. Swap him and TJP for next week IMO.
Bit of a concern that we have been living off scraps of possession a few games lately. It seems that if they aren't kicking it to us lots and our offensive defence isn't causing errors we don't have many ways to get the ball back. Not calling for a pocock style approach but would be good to attack the breakdown a bit more often in the middle part of the field to turn that possession stat around. Need to fix our chronic offside issues too.
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Thought the first replay showed it grounded. The second replay didn't.
Should have been penalty try/yo if not.
Why did BB run so far over the line before grounding?!
@da_grubster said in Ireland II:
Thought the first replay showed it grounded. The second replay didn't.
Second one doesn't need to, it just confirmed that it wasn't held up.
Should have been penalty try/yo if not.
Why did BB run so far over the line before grounding?!
Closer to the posts?
For my mind, Cane going off with the stuffed ankle was a big loss. Ardie still can't dominate collisions. And Aaron had a mare - he was directly responsible for gifting the Irish possession in our territory. He placed us under continuous defensive pressure.
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@booboo said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
Just saw this slow-mo of the Cane high tackle on YouTube. At the time in the match I thought it was more of a head-clash and a penalty only was a fair call, but the second angle here looks really ugly.
I expect a citing for both Cane and Fekitoa.
Quick! tweet Brett Gosper.
Tweet Brian Moore.
We need a hashtag and arm bands.
Who is it you think you're talking to? I'm a neutral here, I have no axe to grind.
I posted the video because it shows an angle that wasn't shown on TV (at least on my feed) and it changed my perception on what I thought was a borderline penalty to a pretty clear yellow at least.
And from your defensive reaction, I think you see it too.
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
neutral
Honest question here, but aren't you from/in the UK and aren't there UK Northern Ireland players in the Irish team? Don't you feel any particularly loyalty/relationship to them at all? The ABs were really playing players from more than one country, including your own.
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@da_grubster said in Ireland II:
Thought the first replay showed it grounded. The second replay didn't.
Second one doesn't need to, it just confirmed that it wasn't held up.
Should have been penalty try/yo if not.
Why did BB run so far over the line before grounding?!
Closer to the posts?
For my mind, Cane going off with the stuffed ankle was a big loss. Ardie still can't dominate collisions. And Aaron had a mare - he was directly responsible for gifting the Irish possession in our territory. He placed us under continuous defensive pressure.
@antipodean said in Ireland II:
@da_grubster said in Ireland II:
Thought the first replay showed it grounded. The second replay didn't.
Second one doesn't need to, it just confirmed that it wasn't held up.
Should have been penalty try/yo if not.
Why did BB run so far over the line before grounding?!
Closer to the posts?
For my mind, Cane going off with the stuffed ankle was a big loss. Ardie still can't dominate collisions. And Aaron had a mare - he was directly responsible for gifting the Irish possession in our territory. He placed us under continuous defensive pressure.
Agreed, Not that Ardie was bad, but Cane provides Kaino like punch on defence. Hope he isn't out next week. He has had a string of injuries this season. Off season probably coming at the right time for him.
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Glad we won that game. Is that the first time this year we haven't scored 4 tries?
We bombed a couple. The Coles break down the sideline and the Cruden drop off the Dagg run.The Irish captain and Peiper can get fucked. When your team is allowed to fly off their feet into every ruck and get turnovers on your knees yet the other team gets pinged for absolutely everything at ruck time you have no right to whinge. He should have been told to fuck off or be penalised when he walked out during that conversion.
Fekitoa lucky not to get a red. Wouldn't be surprised to see him get a ban.Should have been a penalty try and yellow for that Barrett try. So doubt about grounding is irrelevant. Having said that BB should have just put the ball down earlier. Its not as if he was wide out.
BB was my MOM. He ran and goal kicked well. Thought he chip kicked a bit too much with our lack of possession though. Those who pointed to the chip kick being a team tactic last week obviously right. Still think we over did it though.
BBBR, Whitelock and Dagg made a huge difference. A Smith the only one who had a shocker. Surprised he didn't get dragged earlier. Swap him and TJP for next week IMO.
Bit of a concern that we have been living off scraps of possession a few games lately. It seems that if they aren't kicking it to us lots and our offensive defence isn't causing errors we don't have many ways to get the ball back. Not calling for a pocock style approach but would be good to attack the breakdown a bit more often in the middle part of the field to turn that possession stat around. Need to fix our chronic offside issues too.
@pukunui said in Ireland II:
Bit of a concern that we have been living off scraps of possession a few games lately. It seems that if they aren't kicking it to us lots and our offensive defence isn't causing errors we don't have many ways to get the ball back. Not calling for a pocock style approach but would be good to attack the breakdown a bit more often in the middle part of the field to turn that possession stat around.** Need to fix our chronic offside issues too.
This x 1000.
Post Richie era we don't seem to attack the breakdowns often. Just tend to fan out on defence where we are susceptible to / and have been caught out a few times by Argie sniping and Ireland sending runners through the middle. Very irritating. Need to find a way to nullify that. Cane does a lot of good work at the breakdown, but I feel we are still missing an edge in this area.
SR will be interesting next season with Mitch Karpik and Blake Gibson back on deck. -
Just logged on to say fair play and cheers for a cracking series lads.
Proper, hard as nails rugby from two teams who wanted to play ball. Was delighted to get that monkey off our backs a fortnight ago and proud of the effort today, especially from our pack even if we lacked that little bit of attacking guile that sees your lads through when your backs are against the wall.
As losing Crotty last week affected your attack, there's no shame in losing our attacking shape after losing Sexton and Henshaw so early. That and your fellas superb defence was the difference in the game for me.
That and Brodie Retallick. What a beast of a player and the best player in the world by a distance in my book. I thought we had the edge in a lot of areas of the pack but that fecker evened the scales all on his own!
Agreed with Hansen's comments on there being no malice in any of the tough play tonight. The ref was a bit all over the place but I didn't think either side came off worse and we've only ourselves to blame for not exploiting the rubs of the green we did get. The decisions not to scrum penalties close to the line when we had a man advantage were shockers.
Anyway, enough rambling. Just wanted to say congrats and cheers for a fantastic 2 rugby!
Please do stick around. Reasoned comment from non-AB supporters is alwqays welcome here, plus you'll be able to provide a different perspective on events throughout the seasons.
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Just saw this slow-mo of the Cane high tackle on YouTube. At the time in the match I thought it was more of a head-clash and a penalty only was a fair call, but the second angle here looks really ugly.
I expect a citing for both Cane and Fekitoa.
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
Just saw this slow-mo of the Cane high tackle on YouTube. At the time in the match I thought it was more of a head-clash and a penalty only was a fair call, but the second angle here looks really ugly.
I expect a citing for both Cane and Fekitoa.
Certainly not for Cane. It's a head clash because Henshaw drops into the tackle at the worst possible moment. It looks worse because you're looking at it in slow motion.
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If doing a cricket sessions-like analysis. In this drawn 2 match series- Ireland probably dominated about 120 of the 160 minutes.
Plenty of food for thought.
@Rapido said in Ireland II:
If doing a cricket sessions-like analysis. In this drawn 2 match series- Ireland probably dominated about 120 of the 160 minutes.
Plenty of food for thought.
I get what you are getting at but in a three tries to none victory I failed to see how they own 3/4 of the game.
Each quarter of the game was like Ireland bowled a 0/50 session. Sure they kept the runs down but ultimately the game moved slowly away from them and their bowlers became less effective through attrition.
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man there are some tears coming from the Irish in the aftermath....cheating, dirty, out to mame players at every touch....
I think BB clearly scored, definitely swinging arm, hit him in the jaw, little in Canes one, bit clumsy from both players, but havent watched the other one yet.
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I mentioned to my wife during the game that I'm finally getting a glimpse into what other fans feel when their team plays the All Blacks... double standards from the ref, smug captain given a free pass to talk to the ref as much as he likes, loose passes and inopportune penalties. I now understand their frustration... except for that we won
I had the Irish commentary. The main commentator must surely have kissed the Blarney Stone, such was his eloquence as the game got off to a flyer. However, their ability to watch replay after replay of Barrett's try and not mention the fact he was tackled very high, was amazing.
Fekitoa's tackle was bad. Definitely a yellow, but we can see from the Cane penalty that injury comes into play, so if the guy had been injured it could have been a red. If the Irish 12 wasn't injured I don't think Cane would have even been penalised.
Barrett played well, but I would have given Retallick man of the match. You don't get much better than that from a lock.
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Interesting contrast in reaction to the two results, Chicago and Dublin.
Winners, losers, magnanimity and shit loss.
@booboo said in Ireland II:
Interesting contrast in reaction to the two results, Chicago and Dublin.
Winners, losers, magnanimity and shit loss.
The Irish have been terrible losers today. All the kiwis who were happy for Ireland and their fans after the Chicago loss should hopefully now realise that others won't ever reciprocate that level of magnanimity towards us. I hope we will never ever see another day where an AB loss is accepted and even celebrated by many AB fans.
