Americas Cup
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All very convincing so far.
Been betting on these races (like I have right thru the LV series with great success) and odds for NZ win have been $2 (race 1 and 2), $1.80 (race 3) and $1.67 (race 4). Bookies generally are pretty good with this stuff so that odds trend says a lot about what they are thinking. Doesnt change much to change the outcome of these races so would expect next race to still be around $1.50-1.60 for NZ
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was the gap this big last time before Oracle pulled it back?
1100m in the 4th race - incredible.
@JayCee said in Americas Cup:
was the gap this big last time before Oracle pulled it back?
Probably not. Our whole package seems to be better than One Rich Arsehole Called Larry Ellison, this time around. Both hydro and aero dynamics, team work, cyclors v grinders, etc. We could have just sailed away in today's races with the faster boat, but sensibly chose to cover. Last time we had the better boat in light air but not so much if the wind picked up. Will be interesting if it gets stronger next weekend. Bloody annoying that they have a whole week to remedy things and that we loose the chance to push home the advantage.
Was good to hear that it normally takes 80 days and 15,000 pieces of carbon fibre to build a new foil, (unfortunately Oracle have them already). 30 pieces of silver changed history apparently, so who knows what a billionaire can do?
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was the gap this big last time before Oracle pulled it back?
1100m in the 4th race - incredible.
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Not sure if it's true but read there's a limit to the modifications that can be made this late in the cup.
Certainly can't chuck into the crew a Ben Ainsley.@Virgil said in Americas Cup:
Not sure if it's true but read there's a limit to the modifications that can be made this late in the cup.
Certainly can't chuck into the crew a Ben Ainsley.Really? I didn't know that. Thought that they could do what they liked with the crew, and the boat was able to be changed as long as it was still with in the ACC "formula".
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@JayCee said in Americas Cup:
was the gap this big last time before Oracle pulled it back?
Probably not. Our whole package seems to be better than One Rich Arsehole Called Larry Ellison, this time around. Both hydro and aero dynamics, team work, cyclors v grinders, etc. We could have just sailed away in today's races with the faster boat, but sensibly chose to cover. Last time we had the better boat in light air but not so much if the wind picked up. Will be interesting if it gets stronger next weekend. Bloody annoying that they have a whole week to remedy things and that we loose the chance to push home the advantage.
Was good to hear that it normally takes 80 days and 15,000 pieces of carbon fibre to build a new foil, (unfortunately Oracle have them already). 30 pieces of silver changed history apparently, so who knows what a billionaire can do?
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@JayCee said in Americas Cup:
was the gap this big last time before Oracle pulled it back?
1100m in the 4th race - incredible.
8-1?........
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we seemed to have learned a lot racing BAR and Artemis - our starts were a big issue.
going to try and find one of those TNZ polos before the next race
@JayCee said in Americas Cup:
we seemed to have learned a lot racing BAR and Artemis - our starts were a big issue.
Yeah. We looked to have boat speed over them as well so pretty much stayed out of trouble and backed ourselves to get over them in the race. Commentators made a fuss over our starting but we are showing that we can match it at the start now. I wouldn't say that we were sandbagging earlier but perhaps holding back a bit.
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we seemed to have learned a lot racing BAR and Artemis - our starts were a big issue.
going to try and find one of those TNZ polos before the next race
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Not sure if it's true but read there's a limit to the modifications that can be made this late in the cup.
Certainly can't chuck into the crew a Ben Ainsley.@Virgil are you sure they don't have a rule change clause in there? e.g the Holder can add outboards to their boat if they choose?
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@Virgil said in Americas Cup:
Not sure if it's true but read there's a limit to the modifications that can be made this late in the cup.
Certainly can't chuck into the crew a Ben Ainsley.Really? I didn't know that. Thought that they could do what they liked with the crew, and the boat was able to be changed as long as it was still with in the ACC "formula".
@Snowy said in Americas Cup:
@Virgil said in Americas Cup:
Not sure if it's true but read there's a limit to the modifications that can be made this late in the cup.
Certainly can't chuck into the crew a Ben Ainsley.Really? I didn't know that. Thought that they could do what they liked with the crew, and the boat was able to be changed as long as it was still with in the ACC "formula".
Looks like there are limits, for example on the number of sets of daggerboards allowed, although I don't know if Oracle were allowed double due to the two boat rule. Looking back at 2013 I wonder how much of their turnaround was minor modification as opposed to all out change? We have distinctly different daggerboards and the cyclors which took months or years of development, you can't just look at ours and copy them just right no matter how much money you have. As someone else posted I reckon Ainslie was as big a factor if not more than any actual boat modification and the fact they worked out how to max out the handling of their boat as they went along
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@Snowy said in Americas Cup:
@Virgil said in Americas Cup:
Not sure if it's true but read there's a limit to the modifications that can be made this late in the cup.
Certainly can't chuck into the crew a Ben Ainsley.Really? I didn't know that. Thought that they could do what they liked with the crew, and the boat was able to be changed as long as it was still with in the ACC "formula".
Looks like there are limits, for example on the number of sets of daggerboards allowed, although I don't know if Oracle were allowed double due to the two boat rule. Looking back at 2013 I wonder how much of their turnaround was minor modification as opposed to all out change? We have distinctly different daggerboards and the cyclors which took months or years of development, you can't just look at ours and copy them just right no matter how much money you have. As someone else posted I reckon Ainslie was as big a factor if not more than any actual boat modification and the fact they worked out how to max out the handling of their boat as they went along
@canefan Definitely limits on foils / dagger boards but they apply right through I think, not just in the actual AC match. Basically 2 sets.
In 2013 Oracle did achieve some significant gains in speed after the Kiwi boat builders got there over the lay days. Adding Ainslie would have helped as well but as they say - the fastest boat will win. let's just hope we still have the fastest boat in a weeks time.
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@Snowy said in Americas Cup:
@Virgil said in Americas Cup:
Not sure if it's true but read there's a limit to the modifications that can be made this late in the cup.
Certainly can't chuck into the crew a Ben Ainsley.Really? I didn't know that. Thought that they could do what they liked with the crew, and the boat was able to be changed as long as it was still with in the ACC "formula".
Looks like there are limits, for example on the number of sets of daggerboards allowed, although I don't know if Oracle were allowed double due to the two boat rule. Looking back at 2013 I wonder how much of their turnaround was minor modification as opposed to all out change? We have distinctly different daggerboards and the cyclors which took months or years of development, you can't just look at ours and copy them just right no matter how much money you have. As someone else posted I reckon Ainslie was as big a factor if not more than any actual boat modification and the fact they worked out how to max out the handling of their boat as they went along
@canefan said in Americas Cup:
As someone else posted I reckon Ainslie was as big a factor if not more than any actual boat modification and the fact they worked out how to max out the handling of their boat as they went along
Apparenlty the gyroscope foiling system also started working last time around - that made a massive difference.
It's a huge amount to come back from though. There are also major limits to foil modification, etc that can be done. We're all nervous, but really based on the last two days you wouldn't expect anything except a rout next weekend.
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@canefan said in Americas Cup:
As someone else posted I reckon Ainslie was as big a factor if not more than any actual boat modification and the fact they worked out how to max out the handling of their boat as they went along
Apparenlty the gyroscope foiling system also started working last time around - that made a massive difference.
It's a huge amount to come back from though. There are also major limits to foil modification, etc that can be done. We're all nervous, but really based on the last two days you wouldn't expect anything except a rout next weekend.
@nzzp said in Americas Cup:
@canefan said in Americas Cup:
As someone else posted I reckon Ainslie was as big a factor if not more than any actual boat modification and the fact they worked out how to max out the handling of their boat as they went along
Apparenlty the gyroscope foiling system also started working last time around - that made a massive difference.
It's a huge amount to come back from though. There are also major limits to foil modification, etc that can be done. We're all nervous, but really based on the last two days you wouldn't expect anything except a rout next weekend.
It's a funny one... it should feel a lot better, but after 8 - 1 I just want to hide behind the couch until its all over and safe to look...
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@nzzp said in Americas Cup:
@canefan said in Americas Cup:
As someone else posted I reckon Ainslie was as big a factor if not more than any actual boat modification and the fact they worked out how to max out the handling of their boat as they went along
Apparenlty the gyroscope foiling system also started working last time around - that made a massive difference.
It's a huge amount to come back from though. There are also major limits to foil modification, etc that can be done. We're all nervous, but really based on the last two days you wouldn't expect anything except a rout next weekend.
It's a funny one... it should feel a lot better, but after 8 - 1 I just want to hide behind the couch until its all over and safe to look...
@Donsteppa said in Americas Cup:
@nzzp said in Americas Cup:
@canefan said in Americas Cup:
As someone else posted I reckon Ainslie was as big a factor if not more than any actual boat modification and the fact they worked out how to max out the handling of their boat as they went along
Apparenlty the gyroscope foiling system also started working last time around - that made a massive difference.
It's a huge amount to come back from though. There are also major limits to foil modification, etc that can be done. We're all nervous, but really based on the last two days you wouldn't expect anything except a rout next weekend.
It's a funny one... it should feel a lot better, but after 8 - 1 I just want to hide behind the couch until its all over and safe to look...
i know right? i'm sounding like a cliche machine right now with my non-kiwi friends, they are all excited for us etc but i respond with - "early days, Oracle will leave no stone unturned, just takes one mistake' - they don't understand that this is very familiar territory for us
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@Donsteppa said in Americas Cup:
@nzzp said in Americas Cup:
@canefan said in Americas Cup:
As someone else posted I reckon Ainslie was as big a factor if not more than any actual boat modification and the fact they worked out how to max out the handling of their boat as they went along
Apparenlty the gyroscope foiling system also started working last time around - that made a massive difference.
It's a huge amount to come back from though. There are also major limits to foil modification, etc that can be done. We're all nervous, but really based on the last two days you wouldn't expect anything except a rout next weekend.
It's a funny one... it should feel a lot better, but after 8 - 1 I just want to hide behind the couch until its all over and safe to look...
i know right? i'm sounding like a cliche machine right now with my non-kiwi friends, they are all excited for us etc but i respond with - "early days, Oracle will leave no stone unturned, just takes one mistake' - they don't understand that this is very familiar territory for us
@JayCee said in Americas Cup:
@Donsteppa said in Americas Cup:
@nzzp said in Americas Cup:
@canefan said in Americas Cup:
As someone else posted I reckon Ainslie was as big a factor if not more than any actual boat modification and the fact they worked out how to max out the handling of their boat as they went along
Apparenlty the gyroscope foiling system also started working last time around - that made a massive difference.
It's a huge amount to come back from though. There are also major limits to foil modification, etc that can be done. We're all nervous, but really based on the last two days you wouldn't expect anything except a rout next weekend.
It's a funny one... it should feel a lot better, but after 8 - 1 I just want to hide behind the couch until its all over and safe to look...
i know right? i'm sounding like a cliche machine right now with my non-kiwi friends, they are all excited for us etc but i respond with - "early days, Oracle will leave no stone unturned, just takes one mistake' - they don't understand that this is very familiar territory for us
Tell them that we (ETNZ) are "under no illusion" that racing will get harder.
Oracle "has been here before".
