All Blacks vs. B&I Lions test #1
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@Crash said in All Blacks vs. B&I Lions test #1:
@Crucial said in All Blacks vs. B&I Lions test #1:
Not a lot of mention of Farrell's rather poor game.
Considering the amount he is talked up as being critical to the teams he plays in he was a big disappointment.
It was like he was dumbfounded and had nothing to offer.I have long held a theory on Farrell (as with most post-Wilko 1st fives) that he is mentally fragile and lacks the ability to control or change the tempo of a game when the pressure comes on. I've noticed that if the offensive defence can get into his head, he tends to fall to pieces when put under a significant amount of pressure, and doesn't get the required "protection" or easy ride from the pack.
To be honest I think Farrell's strength of character is one of his plus points, at least nowadays. Previously he could get a bit petulant and emotional but he seems to have matured beyond that. I've seen many games where his forward pack have been under the cosh and he's still performed to a good standard. I'm not saying he is the complete article or that he is particularly multi-skilled. There are few fly-halves that have the out and out game breaker and game controller of a Carter. Farrell is not there, but then again not many are.
@Catogrande I haven't watched it again (i rarely watch a game twice) but i saw Farrell waving arms whinging at refs rather than playing a couple of times. I think he was pretty rattled
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@Catogrande I haven't watched it again (i rarely watch a game twice) but i saw Farrell waving arms whinging at refs rather than playing a couple of times. I think he was pretty rattled
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs. B&I Lions test #1:
@Catogrande I haven't watched it again (i rarely watch a game twice) but i saw Farrell waving arms whinging at refs rather than playing a couple of times. I think he was pretty rattled
That spread too. Sexton was told off for arm waving. That's when he made the poor comment to Peyper.
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I thought peyper was excellent. You could make a case that retallick didn't release the tackled player or if he did that it should have been a penalty for holding on rather than a nz scrum.
And maybe Murray was hit late once.
But I loved the way he reffed the maul (allowing the player taking the lineout ball to be immediately tackled) and thank God the offside line was patrolled.
He also gave the lions once a massive time of advantage.
But I'm nitpicking.
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks vs. B&I Lions test #1:
And maybe Murray was hit late once.
There was one instance where I saw him on the ground, and I thought someone hit him late. But no, he was just pushed and he fell onto the ground, so I'm not sure if he was doing a hollywood, or if he's just a softy.
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The most sensible thing Woodward has ever said
England's World Cup-winning coach told BBC Radio 5 live's Sportsweek: "We didn't lose the game based on selection.
"What happens in the UK, you box kick, the opposition get it, play a couple of phases and normally kick the ball back.
"You box kick down here, the All Blacks catch it and you don't get the ball back."
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@jegga said in All Blacks vs. B&I Lions test #1:
Mark Reason continually trolls and makes snide comments and then wonders why the kiwis who have the misfortune to know him contact him gloating about the result. Instead of dwelling on the fact that despite him living here for a number of years he still regarded as an outsider and asking himself why that is he decides that the problem is not with him it's the kiwis .
Sure it is mate.What a crock. Who are these kiwis that have contacted him and said they want the ABs to lose? Invented?
If Hansen appeared smug it was because he won a battle against Gatland. All the ref talk was a smokescreen while he made non directed comments saying he looked forward to an epic game of contrasting styles and everyone fell for it. Meanwhile he just planned to take them on at their own game which caught them by surprise.What team sport doesn't have fans that crow after an international win? Name them. It's what makes sport have fans and therefore all the associated stuff like journalists.
@Crucial True, there is arrogance from some supporters, very similar to my German friends who puff out their chests and wave the flag when their national soccer team wins big matches. What's smug is a condescending pearl-clutching snowflake prick columnist lecturing others how to celebrate.
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The Sunday Times was interesting reading this morning. Most of the comment was pretty accurate (even from the Walrus). Good to see though that they still see the failings only as momentary lapses rather than a product of the way we play our domestic rugby e.g. NZ players wold be awake to quick taps and going wide when in front of the posts because we are willing to take risks to gain rewards. That split second where NH players have to think about it because failure would mean a pissed off club owner makes a big difference.
Anyway, it took about 4 reasonable articles before Jones finally managed a stupid dig. This one at Peyper, saying he was a 'walking, whistling disaster area yesterday'.
I have't watched the game closely again but fail to recall how this was the case. I didn't see any blatent 'hemisphere interpretation' things that undermined the Lions any errors he made were spread. I couldn't work out why Sexton was having such a big cry and make direct accusations of bias (for which he should get sanctioned IMO).
Can anyone help me out? I'm no big fan of Peyper but can't see how his performance yesterday was worthy of that comment.
Edit: credit where it is due to a good article by Stuart Barnes. If anyone has cut and paste abilities for the Times others here may wish to read it
@Crucial said in All Blacks vs. B&I Lions test #1:
The Sunday Times was interesting reading this morning. Most of the comment was pretty accurate (even from the Walrus). Good to see though that they still see the failings only as momentary lapses rather than a product of the way we play our domestic rugby e.g. NZ players wold be awake to quick taps and going wide when in front of the posts because we are willing to take risks to gain rewards. That split second where NH players have to think about it because failure would mean a pissed off club owner makes a big difference.
Anyway, it took about 4 reasonable articles before Jones finally managed a stupid dig. This one at Peyper, saying he was a 'walking, whistling disaster area yesterday'.
I have't watched the game closely again but fail to recall how this was the case. I didn't see any blatent 'hemisphere interpretation' things that undermined the Lions any errors he made were spread. I couldn't work out why Sexton was having such a big cry and make direct accusations of bias (for which he should get sanctioned IMO).
Can anyone help me out? I'm no big fan of Peyper but can't see how his performance yesterday was worthy of that comment.
Edit: credit where it is due to a good article by Stuart Barnes. If anyone has cut and paste abilities for the Times others here may wish to read it
@Crucial. If it's time to get indignant about Jones I saw one of his columns quoted in an article in Stuff where his excuse was the Lions were "thrown together". Aah here:
It was a thrown-together Lions side against a machine, and the Lions gave it everything.
http://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/94050765/british-media-praise-rookie-left-wing
What's been Sexton's whinge?
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@Crucial said in All Blacks vs. B&I Lions test #1:
The Sunday Times was interesting reading this morning. Most of the comment was pretty accurate (even from the Walrus). Good to see though that they still see the failings only as momentary lapses rather than a product of the way we play our domestic rugby e.g. NZ players wold be awake to quick taps and going wide when in front of the posts because we are willing to take risks to gain rewards. That split second where NH players have to think about it because failure would mean a pissed off club owner makes a big difference.
Anyway, it took about 4 reasonable articles before Jones finally managed a stupid dig. This one at Peyper, saying he was a 'walking, whistling disaster area yesterday'.
I have't watched the game closely again but fail to recall how this was the case. I didn't see any blatent 'hemisphere interpretation' things that undermined the Lions any errors he made were spread. I couldn't work out why Sexton was having such a big cry and make direct accusations of bias (for which he should get sanctioned IMO).
Can anyone help me out? I'm no big fan of Peyper but can't see how his performance yesterday was worthy of that comment.
Edit: credit where it is due to a good article by Stuart Barnes. If anyone has cut and paste abilities for the Times others here may wish to read it
@Crucial. If it's time to get indignant about Jones I saw one of his columns quoted in an article in Stuff where his excuse was the Lions were "thrown together". Aah here:
It was a thrown-together Lions side against a machine, and the Lions gave it everything.
http://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/94050765/british-media-praise-rookie-left-wing
What's been Sexton's whinge?
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@Crucial reading on a bit I see your reference to Sexton was an on field incident. I don't recall it. What did he say?
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Anyway, can't wait to watch a replay.
Thought Cane was bloody awesome, feel for Ryan Crotty who was playing really well before he went off.
Loved it how we took them in through the middle.
Is Retallick the best rugby player in the country?
@SammyC said in All Blacks vs. B&I Lions test #1:
Anyway, can't wait to watch a replay.
Thought Cane was bloody awesome, feel for Ryan Crotty who was playing really well before he went off.
Loved it how we took them in through the middle.
Is Retallick the best rugby player in the country?
You misspelled "observable universe"
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had a bit of a re-watch, a few points on the lions who i mostly ignored in celebration mode:
the lions really should have had a try in the first few minutes, and 3 by halftime. different looking game and pressures if they had converted chances.
murray and/or daly butchered that chance early on. daly was unmarked (but possibly too flat) and murray didn't throw the pass and took the ruck. by the time daly got the ball dagg was able to stop him with a great tackle, but he would have had no chance if the pass had been given earlier.
sexton was horrible when he came on. giving away penalties, hospital passes, losing the ball, mistake after mistake. sure chasing the game by then, but he is just not the man for that job.
watson is very quick on his feet. i think the lions would get some good value out of him on the pick and go, the way habana used to for the boks.
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I still think the NH are really missing the things and areas that make the ABs so good. They went into this game pretty much ignoring the ABs mid year form and considering a fatigued EOYT. Games 2,3,4 of the year are generally the ABs at their best and unlike what Gatland said the step up from Super rugby is wide. I also think if the pundits are lauding the Lions for their ball in hand game they will play right into the ABs hands, its the kind of game the ABs want the lions to play and there is no ways that they will have the players to back it up over 160 minutes. In my opinion they missed the try scoring chances simply because they do not have the skills to execute consistently under pressure. I cannot imagine the Lions finishing any of the AB try scoring chances but I can imagine the ABs converting all of the Lions chances.
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I still think the NH are really missing the things and areas that make the ABs so good. They went into this game pretty much ignoring the ABs mid year form and considering a fatigued EOYT. Games 2,3,4 of the year are generally the ABs at their best and unlike what Gatland said the step up from Super rugby is wide. I also think if the pundits are lauding the Lions for their ball in hand game they will play right into the ABs hands, its the kind of game the ABs want the lions to play and there is no ways that they will have the players to back it up over 160 minutes. In my opinion they missed the try scoring chances simply because they do not have the skills to execute consistently under pressure. I cannot imagine the Lions finishing any of the AB try scoring chances but I can imagine the ABs converting all of the Lions chances.
@DMX said in All Blacks vs. B&I Lions test #1:
I still think the NH are really missing the things and areas that make the ABs so good. In my opinion they missed the try scoring chances simply because they do not have the skills to execute consistently under pressure. I cannot imagine the Lions finishing any of the AB try scoring chances but I can imagine the ABs converting all of the Lions chances.
Said the exact thing to my mates.
"It's all about the top two inches" has become the go to phrase to explain winners from losers. Making the right decision at the right time.
I agree and I'd add it's the speed of thought as well.
And those quick fire decisions can be learned and developed like any skill.
Man for man the ABs and Lions aren't 15 or more points different.
But in a match scenario where time on the ball is becoming more and more compressed, all the ABs have significantly more experience of considering, making and executing decisions under time & physical pressure through practice and match play over their Lions counterparts.
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The Sunday Times was interesting reading this morning. Most of the comment was pretty accurate (even from the Walrus). Good to see though that they still see the failings only as momentary lapses rather than a product of the way we play our domestic rugby e.g. NZ players wold be awake to quick taps and going wide when in front of the posts because we are willing to take risks to gain rewards. That split second where NH players have to think about it because failure would mean a pissed off club owner makes a big difference.
Anyway, it took about 4 reasonable articles before Jones finally managed a stupid dig. This one at Peyper, saying he was a 'walking, whistling disaster area yesterday'.
I have't watched the game closely again but fail to recall how this was the case. I didn't see any blatent 'hemisphere interpretation' things that undermined the Lions any errors he made were spread. I couldn't work out why Sexton was having such a big cry and make direct accusations of bias (for which he should get sanctioned IMO).
Can anyone help me out? I'm no big fan of Peyper but can't see how his performance yesterday was worthy of that comment.
Edit: credit where it is due to a good article by Stuart Barnes. If anyone has cut and paste abilities for the Times others here may wish to read it
@Crucial most of the whinging is handily contained in this thread, the poster called Hong Kong is actually a ref and points out the twat posting the last gif is actually showing an example of good reffing. He might as well piss in the wind of course .
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I still think the NH are really missing the things and areas that make the ABs so good. They went into this game pretty much ignoring the ABs mid year form and considering a fatigued EOYT. Games 2,3,4 of the year are generally the ABs at their best and unlike what Gatland said the step up from Super rugby is wide. I also think if the pundits are lauding the Lions for their ball in hand game they will play right into the ABs hands, its the kind of game the ABs want the lions to play and there is no ways that they will have the players to back it up over 160 minutes. In my opinion they missed the try scoring chances simply because they do not have the skills to execute consistently under pressure. I cannot imagine the Lions finishing any of the AB try scoring chances but I can imagine the ABs converting all of the Lions chances.
I think the English have suffered a similar fate in recent years, they want to play a more expansive game, get themselves into the positions but are unable to finish because the style is not natural, thier traditional way is to play the percentages, not roll the dice.
I coach my sons U12 team and only this year have we taught them exit strategies, 6 games in we have used it twice, rarely kick for touch, and are currently undefeated. First instinct is to run, and in doing so you are always looking for space, and developing it at this age means when you have a better rugby brain you can weigh the odds better but instincts still give you the natural edge.
Most other teams are the same, there are the odd team that tries to play more conservatively, but if they kick it to us, we run it back.
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@Crucial reading on a bit I see your reference to Sexton was an on field incident. I don't recall it. What did he say?
@booboo said in All Blacks vs. B&I Lions test #1:
@Crucial reading on a bit I see your reference to Sexton was an on field incident. I don't recall it. What did he say?
First Peyper told him to stop waving his arms at him then when there was a defensive knock on toward the end of the game Sexton got in his face and demanded a penalty. Thats when you could hear Peyper telling him he isn't the ref. From other reports he was heard telling Peyper 'you give them everything and us nothing'
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I think the English have suffered a similar fate in recent years, they want to play a more expansive game, get themselves into the positions but are unable to finish because the style is not natural, thier traditional way is to play the percentages, not roll the dice.
I coach my sons U12 team and only this year have we taught them exit strategies, 6 games in we have used it twice, rarely kick for touch, and are currently undefeated. First instinct is to run, and in doing so you are always looking for space, and developing it at this age means when you have a better rugby brain you can weigh the odds better but instincts still give you the natural edge.
Most other teams are the same, there are the odd team that tries to play more conservatively, but if they kick it to us, we run it back.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs. B&I Lions test #1:
I think the English have suffered a similar fate in recent years, they want to play a more expansive game, get themselves into the positions but are unable to finish because the style is not natural, thier traditional way is to play the percentages, not roll the dice.
I coach my sons U12 team and only this year have we taught them exit strategies, 6 games in we have used it twice, rarely kick for touch, and are currently undefeated. First instinct is to run, and in doing so you are always looking for space, and developing it at this age means when you have a better rugby brain you can weigh the odds better but instincts still give you the natural edge.
Most other teams are the same, there are the odd team that tries to play more conservatively, but if they kick it to us, we run it back.
There is a hesitation to decide whether a risk is worth taking whereas our players take the risk but prepare themselves to cover it going tits up. That helps us shift from D to A and back again
The NH teams will never have those instincts unless they play that way from a young age. Erring on risk aversion won't get you there.
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@Crucial most of the whinging is handily contained in this thread, the poster called Hong Kong is actually a ref and points out the twat posting the last gif is actually showing an example of good reffing. He might as well piss in the wind of course .
@jegga said in All Blacks vs. B&I Lions test #1:
@Crucial most of the whinging is handily contained in this thread, the poster called Hong Kong is actually a ref and points out the twat posting the last gif is actually showing an example of good reffing. He might as well piss in the wind of course .
Holy shit, are adults not allowed to post there?
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs. B&I Lions test #1:
I think the English have suffered a similar fate in recent years, they want to play a more expansive game, get themselves into the positions but are unable to finish because the style is not natural, thier traditional way is to play the percentages, not roll the dice.
I coach my sons U12 team and only this year have we taught them exit strategies, 6 games in we have used it twice, rarely kick for touch, and are currently undefeated. First instinct is to run, and in doing so you are always looking for space, and developing it at this age means when you have a better rugby brain you can weigh the odds better but instincts still give you the natural edge.
Most other teams are the same, there are the odd team that tries to play more conservatively, but if they kick it to us, we run it back.
There is a hesitation to decide whether a risk is worth taking whereas our players take the risk but prepare themselves to cover it going tits up. That helps us shift from D to A and back again
The NH teams will never have those instincts unless they play that way from a young age. Erring on risk aversion won't get you there.
@Crucial Fear causes hesitation, hesitation will cause your worst fears to come true
