All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2
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@pukunui said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
Most worrying. What has happened to the ABs defence and attack? The two lions tries were soft as hell and we don't even seem willing to give the ball to the backs, even off set piece and counter attack is non existant. Not the best night for it but it was the same last week.
What happened was having to play with 14 men for most of the game and players getting tired. I wouldn't be too hard on the ABs for those two tries. They were also brilliant tries by the way; the Lions deserve some credit for that!
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With a backs to the wall game approaching , be bloody nice to have coles , bender and crotty back ,
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@Donsteppa said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
Melodie trying to excuse B Barrett's goal kicking...
She's a shocker and so is Ian Smith.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
Melodie trying to excuse B Barrett's goal kicking...
She's a shocker and so is Ian Smith.
Barrett was 100% last week and 70% this week. and this weeks conditions were crap
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Fucking french fluffybunny. Perfect example of how to ruin a game of rugby. Im not talking about the SBW red. That is world rugby's fault. They need to sort something out that covers tackles like that but doesn't wreck a game. Reds should be for punches, eye gouges, biting and grabbing ball sacks.
How the fuck did the lions not get a yellow for repeated penalties? How the fuck was the Lions shoulder to BBs face not a red and only yellow? How was the Naholo swinging arm not even picked up? And worst of all what the fuck was the match deciding penalty? That is hands down the worse call ive ever seen. Worse than anything Wayne Barnes ever did.
SBW fuck you. That is the second massive game for the ABs where you have been carded for the shoulder charge. I would imagine he will get a ban too.
BBs kicking was shit. It has finally cost us a game. That last chip kick was as bad as Crudens cross kick moments earlier.
Thought taking Kaino off was a mistake. Naholo or Ioane should have been pulled off. One of the Back row could have defended in the backs on Lions scrums.
Most worrying. What has happened to the ABs defence and attack? The two lions tries were soft as hell and we don't even seem willing to give the ball to the backs, even off set piece and counter attack is non existant. Not the best night for it but it was the same last week.
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Didn't think Vunipola's clear out was close to a red. Barrett was lying in the tackle area (although admittedly trying to roll) and thus fair game. Vunipola bound with both arms, went off his feet but it's almost impossible not to when clearing out a player lying on the ball. You see a number of clear outs a like that each game - I honestly think it wouldn't even have been yellow were it not for the fact he had just just been penalised for a late charge on the same player.
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Tonight my 6 year old daughter stayed up to watch the game - her first night game watching the ABs. Of course, she fucking ruined the occasion and I couldn't concentrate on the game. I was resigned to the loss as soon as the shoulder hit the head.
But it was a fucking weird game - again - every time I looked up the Lions were butchering this gilt edged opportunity. Then, as a humiliating loss loomed they came on hard and rolled on over us. They were fucking desperate tonight and I can't fault them.
Still don't get the final penalty with the Sinckler jump into the tackle.
Did this game have off the charts niggle? The Sky panel seem to be saying that Vunipola was mouthing off after the game (maybe in the tunnel)?
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I'm picking Vunipola will be visiting the judiciary as well, and will miss next week
@Stockcar86 said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
I'm picking Vunipola will be visiting the judiciary as well, and will miss next week
He should be dropped anyway. Worse player on the park today, crazy bad discipline.
The Lions looseheads all seem pretty good, so no dramas promoting McGrath and Marler. The TH side is where the Lions have had concerns on tour.
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At last try three Lions impeded AB tacklers, Savea and TJP.
Proud of ABs. Third quarter heroic.
But when Naholo off our makeshift backline was unable to maintain real time defensive sturucture and to their credit Lions had the nous to make us pay for it. And ref seemed to let Lawes do what MI was repeatedly penalised for.
Fairly galling to lose to a jump penalty.
Would have taken the draw.
Glad I paid up for Eden Park tickets for my old man and me!! -
Didn't think Vunipola's clear out was close to a red. Barrett was lying in the tackle area (although admittedly trying to roll) and thus fair game. Vunipola bound with both arms, went off his feet but it's almost impossible not to when clearing out a player lying on the ball. You see a number of clear outs a like that each game - I honestly think it wouldn't even have been yellow were it not for the fact he had just just been penalised for a late charge on the same player.
@SimonAdd_2 there was contact to the head so it was worth a look. But the contact was low impact unlike SBWs high impact shoulder. I thought YC was okay for Vunipola given Barrett wasn't impeding ball and rolled to the side rather than to the Lions side which we see plenty of.
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@Stockcar86 said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
I'm picking Vunipola will be visiting the judiciary as well, and will miss next week
He should be dropped anyway. Worse player on the park today, crazy bad discipline.
The Lions looseheads all seem pretty good, so no dramas promoting McGrath and Marler. The TH side is where the Lions have had concerns on tour.
@Rapido said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@Stockcar86 said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
I'm picking Vunipola will be visiting the judiciary as well, and will miss next week
He should be dropped anyway. Worse player on the park today, crazy bad discipline.
The Lions looseheads all seem pretty good, so no dramas promoting McGrath and Marler. The TH side is where the Lions have had concerns on tour.
Marler, including his discipline, was terrible against the Canes.
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Didn't think Vunipola's clear out was close to a red. Barrett was lying in the tackle area (although admittedly trying to roll) and thus fair game. Vunipola bound with both arms, went off his feet but it's almost impossible not to when clearing out a player lying on the ball. You see a number of clear outs a like that each game - I honestly think it wouldn't even have been yellow were it not for the fact he had just just been penalised for a late charge on the same player.
@SimonAdd_2 said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
Didn't think Vunipola's clear out was close to a red. Barrett was lying in the tackle area (although admittedly trying to roll) and thus fair game. Vunipola bound with both arms, went off his feet but it's almost impossible not to when clearing out a player lying on the ball. You see a number of clear outs a like that each game - I honestly think it wouldn't even have been yellow were it not for the fact he had just just been penalised for a late charge on the same player.
Are you fucking serious?
Fair game to get a smack in the chops, you are on another planet. -
We were smart tactically last week, but played narrow again this week with no variation and a lack of second man plays, or just kicked the ball away. No width for the whole game, they could have done more even with 14. Certainly some disruption but you expect more...
@kev said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
We were smart tactically last week, but played narrow again this week with no variation and a lack of second man plays, or just kicked the ball away. No width for the whole game, they could have done more even with 14. Certainly some disruption but you expect more...
I think we almost fooled ourselves into thinking that it was impossible to pass the ball out wide and we ended up kicking it away after a few rucks. The Lions showed that you could hold on to it for a few phases and spread the ball.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
Melodie trying to excuse B Barrett's goal kicking...
She's a shocker and so is Ian Smith.
Barrett was 100% last week and 70% this week. and this weeks conditions were crap
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Didn't think Vunipola's clear out was close to a red. Barrett was lying in the tackle area (although admittedly trying to roll) and thus fair game. Vunipola bound with both arms, went off his feet but it's almost impossible not to when clearing out a player lying on the ball. You see a number of clear outs a like that each game - I honestly think it wouldn't even have been yellow were it not for the fact he had just just been penalised for a late charge on the same player.
@SimonAdd_2 said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
Didn't think Vunipola's clear out was close to a red. Barrett was lying in the tackle area (although admittedly trying to roll) and thus fair game. Vunipola bound with both arms, went off his feet but it's almost impossible not to when clearing out a player lying on the ball. You see a number of clear outs a like that each game - I honestly think it wouldn't even have been yellow were it not for the fact he had just just been penalised for a late charge on the same player.
If you make head contact with the shoulder despite the circumstances it should be treated in the same manner.
Vunipola didn't bind with both arms and went 'plane landing' rather than 'plane taking off'.
Even Ayoub (the worst ref in world) could see the parallel and did everything he could to alert Garces about consistent application.
The Naholo one was totally accidental but just makes a mockery of the directives when a is player actually concussed and there isn't even a penalty. -
At last try three Lions impeded AB tacklers, Savea and TJP.
Proud of ABs. Third quarter heroic.
But when Naholo off our makeshift backline was unable to maintain real time defensive sturucture and to their credit Lions had the nous to make us pay for it. And ref seemed to let Lawes do what MI was repeatedly penalised for.
Fairly galling to lose to a jump penalty.
Would have taken the draw.
Glad I paid up for Eden Park tickets for my old man and me!!@pakman said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
At last try three Lions impeded AB tacklers, Savea and TJP.
Proud of ABs. Third quarter heroic.
But when Naholo off our makeshift backline was unable to maintain real time defensive sturucture and to their credit Lions had the nous to make us pay for it. And ref seemed to let Lawes do what MI was repeatedly penalised for.
Fairly galling to lose to a jump penalty.
Would have taken the draw.
Glad I paid up for Eden Park tickets for my old man and me!!Why was it a "makeshift" backline? There was a very high possibility that one of our wingers would've been dragged for Cruden anyway so they would've trained for having Cruden at 10, Barrett at 15 and Dagg at wing.
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@SimonAdd_2 said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
Didn't think Vunipola's clear out was close to a red. Barrett was lying in the tackle area (although admittedly trying to roll) and thus fair game. Vunipola bound with both arms, went off his feet but it's almost impossible not to when clearing out a player lying on the ball. You see a number of clear outs a like that each game - I honestly think it wouldn't even have been yellow were it not for the fact he had just just been penalised for a late charge on the same player.
If you make head contact with the shoulder despite the circumstances it should be treated in the same manner.
Vunipola didn't bind with both arms and went 'plane landing' rather than 'plane taking off'.
Even Ayoub (the worst ref in world) could see the parallel and did everything he could to alert Garces about consistent application.
The Naholo one was totally accidental but just makes a mockery of the directives when a is player actually concussed and there isn't even a penalty.@Crucial said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
If you make head contact with the shoulder despite the circumstances it should be treated in the same manner.
Lolwut? Circumstances are everything. Every maul in the game has 'head contact with the shoulder'.
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We were smart tactically last week, but played narrow again this week with no variation and a lack of second man plays, or just kicked the ball away. No width for the whole game, they could have done more even with 14. Certainly some disruption but you expect more...
@kev said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
We were smart tactically last week, but played narrow again this week with no variation and a lack of second man plays, or just kicked the ball away. No width for the whole game, they could have done more even with 14. Certainly some disruption but you expect more...
This was where Sonny Bill was very effective last week. We used him in the narrow exchanges and the Lions threw more players at him to try and stop his go forward and also to try and stop the offload. That created more space for our backs. Laumape made a couple of runs but in those tight tough tests, the wet behind the ears guys rarely ever feature prominently.
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So, the Sporting God Sonny Bill deems that this series is worthy of a decider!
Not surprising that we lost after losing a man that far out from the finish, but a bit disappointing after we'd worked our way to a couple of decent leads.
I think as well as losing a man it was pretty influential that we lost two of our most powerful and physical players in that one fell swoop. As the game went on I think we continued to lose physicality - Ardie for Cane, Cruden for Naholo and the legs started to run out of gas, while the Lions rallied and were well worth their win (albeit that they nearly made a bollocks of it through the middle 40 minutes of the match).
It is a bit concerning the numbers of important players - especially outside backs - that we're going to be short of going into the decider. Potentially, SBW, Crotty, Naholo and Ben Smith. Hopefully we don't lose Sonny Bill to further sanctions, because I think we'll need him, despite that Laumape made a pretty good fist of his debut and certainly generated some go forward.
Well done, Lions. Particularly impressed with your lineout. Two tests in a row that you've edged us there. Thought our scrum held up very well, given we were using ALB in some and seven men on most of their ball.
