All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2
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@Rancid-Schnitzel If he didn't have any black jerseys near him, he shouldn't have called for the quick lineout.
@akan004 said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@Rancid-Schnitzel If he didn't have any black jerseys near him, he shouldn't have called for the quick lineout.
Maybe. Either way they were Friar Tucked.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
barrett's chip is indefensible. it wasn't on, there was no space. he needed to try to find some support and recycle.
as for SBW offering something nobody else does, that's bullshit too i reckon. ALB has as good an offloading game, (it was Luatua's offload that made the West try for the blues), Laumape is a more effective battering ram, Fekitoa is a more physical defender, and Crotty is a more reliable defender, a far better organiser and passer, and makes a fraction of the errors. What exactly is it that he offers that nobody else does, if it isn't defence, offloading, passing, pace, brains?
Seriously? He had no other black jersey near him. Sure it was a crap option, but what else could he do? No way was that ball coming back if he ran at the line.
Btw Lions should get alot of credit for their chase. There were alot more Red jerseys than black ones there.
@Rancid-Schnitzel he had to try to keep the ball. it would have taken a good effort, but he is fast and very good on his feet, which are big advantages when you're trying to buy time. it was far better odds than kicking it to them. lose the ball, lose the game.
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Reading people saying SBW should never play for the All Blacks again makes me think of hysterical wimmin
@Siam said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
Reading people saying SBW should never play for the All Blacks again makes me think of hysterical wimmin
Yep, I've calmed down a bit now.
My original thought process was that it would just be a sweet symbolic statement... and we've got plenty of players available to make it possible. -
@Rancid-Schnitzel he had to try to keep the ball. it would have taken a good effort, but he is fast and very good on his feet, which are big advantages when you're trying to buy time. it was far better odds than kicking it to them. lose the ball, lose the game.
@reprobate said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@Rancid-Schnitzel he had to try to keep the ball. it would have taken a good effort, but he is fast and very good on his feet, which are big advantages when you're trying to buy time. it was far better odds than kicking it to them. lose the ball, lose the game.
Even if by some miracle they'd managed to get the ball back, what then? Maul it 90 odd metres? There were no good options in that situation, just less shittier ones. I think it's very harsh to criticise any player in a situation like that.
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I'm selling chill pills if anyone wants some. There is a lot of people throwing tantrums and toys out of the cot here...
I don't think NZ could have done too much different, maybe gone for a 5m line-out rather than one of those missed penalties.
Speaking of which, we all knew that one day BB's goal-kicking would cost a test match.
I find weird the decision to pull Kaino. Plain weird.
Credit to the Lions, they hung in there despite their appalling discipline. I wish they would get free-kicked at least once at the lineout for systematically closing the gap every time though.
NZ needs to think a bit about we approach Auckland, it could be a nailbiter.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@Duluth said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
TSF site traffic has just gone past the Chicago loss
My Facebook feed is full of crowing wallaby fans
Is @NTA one of them or is he boring people about his Powerwall?
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well, that was disappointing blowing that lead. Lions looked better than last week but still not anywhere close to the level of the ABs, who usually always have a purple patch where just everything seems to click.
The SBW red was clearly the correct decision, it was just a fucking stupid "tackle". The Faumuina penalty at the end was clearly the wrong decision, though, jumping into the tackle counts as dangerous play and the penalty should have been the other way around. I also think - only having seen it live and I think one replay - Murray might have been lucky on his try as Perenara and Savea were both the defenders at the ruck and taken out off the ball. But those things happen at most rucks, I know. -
@reprobate said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@Rancid-Schnitzel he had to try to keep the ball. it would have taken a good effort, but he is fast and very good on his feet, which are big advantages when you're trying to buy time. it was far better odds than kicking it to them. lose the ball, lose the game.
Even if by some miracle they'd managed to get the ball back, what then? Maul it 90 odd metres? There were no good options in that situation, just less shittier ones. I think it's very harsh to criticise any player in a situation like that.
@Rancid-Schnitzel 20 something phases, score in the corner then cruden kicks the extras, obviously. Has history taught you nothing?
Seriously though, as unlikely as it may be, if you've got the ball you're in control of your own destiny, and the game is still alive. -
- I question the decision to penalise Retallick for the first Lions' penalty kick.
- what the heck was Aaron Smith doing before their second? Right in front of the ref. Stupid!
- I think TJP was definitely held before the Lions' 2nd try; if that hadn't happened, it's arguable that the try might not have been scored.
- IMO that last penalty against Faumuina was indeed ridiculous.
Vunipola v BB:
1st time: shoulder into BB's chest
2nd time: at least 3 problems - 1) point of contact (arm against neck/head), 2) diving on a player who is already lying on the ground, 3) BB didn't have the ballJudge for yourself, but I think it should have been red.
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Unlucky guys, really odd game to watch and the Lions did pretty much everything they could to make things difficult for themselves despite the red card. Biggest positives were tightening up defensively around the ruck and finishing the few opportunities they got. Keeps things interesting anyway.
Will need to be a lot better next week though. McGrath for Vunipola the obvious change.
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Positives: next test is more interesting. You learn from the losses. This series is valuable for 2019 IMO. I think England might be our theoretical semi-final opponents?
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- I question the decision to penalise Retallick for the first Lions' penalty kick.
- what the heck was Aaron Smith doing before their second? Right in front of the ref. Stupid!
- I think TJP was definitely held before the Lions' 2nd try; if that hadn't happened, it's arguable that the try might not have been scored.
- IMO that last penalty against Faumuina was indeed ridiculous.
Vunipola v BB:
1st time: shoulder into BB's chest
2nd time: at least 3 problems - 1) point of contact (arm against neck/head), 2) diving on a player who is already lying on the ground, 3) BB didn't have the ballJudge for yourself, but I think it should have been red.
@Stargazer Can't believe the call on Retallick. He did what every forward does at a ruck before a box kick which was to be a blocker for the halfback. What a shocking call.
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9-9 at the break, fuck I'll take that given the circumstances.
That was a really messy half of footy. The ref is obviously lower quality then most but hard to blame him for that. Lions have been pretty underwhelming overall and the ABs have been inaccurate in a lot of what they've tried. Conditions obviously a factor.
SBW is an idiot. Always wrap your arms, rugby 101. Unforgiveable and if he's not banned he deserves to sit out the 3rd test.
Those saying we'll sub Ardie for a back are probably on the money. ABs gameplan has to be to keep it close until the 55-60 minute mark, before unleashing the wrecking balls Crockett and Charlie, with plenty of energy from Ardie and try to storm over the top of them in the final quarter.
That red has certainly made this game interesting...
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
SBW is an idiot. Always wrap your arms, rugby 101. Unforgiveable and if he's not banned he deserves to sit out the 3rd test.
Yep, it was mindless play of the highest order.
Almost matched by the collective brainfart by several Lions who did their best in the 3rd quarter to make it a close game, or even to give ABs a chance of a win.
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
According to Radio Sport, SBW's judicial hearing is Sunday night.
When's O'Briens?
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Someone explain to me how SBW deserved a red card and Vunipola didn't. Both were straight shoulders to the head. I'm also interested in how you can get a penalty from jumping into tackles.
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Someone explain to me how SBW deserved a red card and Vunipola didn't. Both were straight shoulders to the head. I'm also interested in how you can get a penalty from jumping into tackles.
@antipodean said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
Someone explain to me how SBW deserved a red card and Vunipola didn't. Both were straight shoulders to the head. I'm also interested in how you can get a penalty from jumping into tackles.
Because French.
And we got another one of the fluffybunnys next week.
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@Nepia Yeah i thought that at first but in reality he got out of the hold easily and flanked left, leaving the hole.
Nah, Murray beat him fair and square@Siam said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@Nepia Yeah i thought that at first but in reality he got out of the hold easily and flanked left, leaving the hole.
Nah, Murray beat him fair and squareYeah - I think there's more of a case to answer by Sexton, who was offside and obstructing the player on the inside, stopping him from getting across to Murray. Was very surprised it wasn't looked at.
TJP had already made the decision to go wide.
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@Stargazer Can't believe the call on Retallick. He did what every forward does at a ruck before a box kick which was to be a blocker for the halfback. What a shocking call.
@akan004 said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #2:
@Stargazer Can't believe the call on Retallick. He did what every forward does at a ruck before a box kick which was to be a blocker for the halfback. What a shocking call.
Call was fine if judged against the rule book. If judged against every game and every ref in the last 10 years it was bullshit.
The Comms here made out that he played at Itoje when it was the other way around.
