Lions v Hurricanes (SF)
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@Billy-Tell said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
So...when the Lions came up against a nz team they'd be found out
They were. Game should have been over after 30 minutes. The reason we lost is because of stupid strategic decisions we made around the half time period. I think if NMS releases the ball after 35 minutes, we win. If BB doesn't do the grubber kick after 42 minutes, we also win.
@hydro11 said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Billy-Tell said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
So...when the Lions came up against a nz team they'd be found out
They were. Game should have been over after 30 minutes. The reason we lost is because of stupid strategic decisions we made around the half time period. I think if NMS releases the ball after 35 minutes, we win. If BB doesn't do the grubber kick after 42 minutes, we also win.
Should have been over but wasn't. It's no good talking in theories the reality is the Lions cruising to victory. I'm as surprised as everyone else but fact is Lions are decent enough.
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@hydro11 said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Billy-Tell said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
So...when the Lions came up against a nz team they'd be found out
They were. Game should have been over after 30 minutes. The reason we lost is because of stupid strategic decisions we made around the half time period. I think if NMS releases the ball after 35 minutes, we win. If BB doesn't do the grubber kick after 42 minutes, we also win.
The Lions were always going to finish stronger given the altitude & lack of travel. We were ruthless in the first 20 and then as you say played some stupid chsmpagne style rugby between 20 - 30 when we should have been putting our foot on their throat and ending the game by half time.
Credit to the Lions, they've kept their self belief and played much better footy in the 2nd 40, but the Canes had plenty of chances to put the game beyond reach which they will be frustrated by on reflection.
@No-Quarter said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@hydro11 said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Billy-Tell said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
So...when the Lions came up against a nz team they'd be found out
They were. Game should have been over after 30 minutes. The reason we lost is because of stupid strategic decisions we made around the half time period. I think if NMS releases the ball after 35 minutes, we win. If BB doesn't do the grubber kick after 42 minutes, we also win.
The Lions were always going to finish stronger given the altitude & lack of travel. We were ruthless in the first 20 and then as you say played some stupid chsmpagne style rugby between 20 - 30 when we should have been putting our foot on their throat and ending the game by half time.
Credit to the Lions, they've kept their self belief and played much better footy in the 2nd 40, but the Canes had plenty of chances to put the game beyond reach which they will be frustrated by on reflection.
I think teams these days are a lot better at adapting to altitude. I seem to remember us beating the Lions in the last minute in Jo'burg. I would have backed us to finish strong, under different circumstances.
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@hydro11 said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@hydro11 said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Kruse said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@hydro11 said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Winger said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
Nah that's a YC all day. Hot on attack, and they had quick ball and Barrett impeded that. Doesn't matter that it was an accident.
Its not. Its just shocking reffing
Umm no, it's the right decision.
Why? It's inadvertent! You can't have a deterrent for inadvertent play. It's a joke.
You have to penalise regardless of intent - otherwise it becomes a game of who can "act the innocent" the best. Hence the wording around the new head-contact rules... it's not about intent, but "reckless", "avoidable", etc.
That what's the point of a YC! They exist to discourage deliberate and illegal infringements.
So Barrett deliberately moved his legs and it moved the ball out of the ruck. So yes it was deliberate.
Don't be obtuse. He didn't intentionally touch the ball.
So someone or something else forced him to touch the ball?
Don't be so ignorant.
@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@hydro11 said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@hydro11 said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Kruse said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@hydro11 said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Winger said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
Nah that's a YC all day. Hot on attack, and they had quick ball and Barrett impeded that. Doesn't matter that it was an accident.
Its not. Its just shocking reffing
Umm no, it's the right decision.
Why? It's inadvertent! You can't have a deterrent for inadvertent play. It's a joke.
You have to penalise regardless of intent - otherwise it becomes a game of who can "act the innocent" the best. Hence the wording around the new head-contact rules... it's not about intent, but "reckless", "avoidable", etc.
That what's the point of a YC! They exist to discourage deliberate and illegal infringements.
So Barrett deliberately moved his legs and it moved the ball out of the ruck. So yes it was deliberate.
Don't be obtuse. He didn't intentionally touch the ball.
So someone or something else forced him to touch the ball?
Don't be so ignorant.
Yes - the ball happened to be in the area as he moved.
I understand the ignorance isn't by choice, so I won't give you advice about stopping it. -
@hydro11 said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Billy-Tell said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
So...when the Lions came up against a nz team they'd be found out
They were. Game should have been over after 30 minutes. The reason we lost is because of stupid strategic decisions we made around the half time period. I think if NMS releases the ball after 35 minutes, we win. If BB doesn't do the grubber kick after 42 minutes, we also win.
Should have been over but wasn't. It's no good talking in theories the reality is the Lions cruising to victory. I'm as surprised as everyone else but fact is Lions are decent enough.
@Billy-Tell said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@hydro11 said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Billy-Tell said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
So...when the Lions came up against a nz team they'd be found out
They were. Game should have been over after 30 minutes. The reason we lost is because of stupid strategic decisions we made around the half time period. I think if NMS releases the ball after 35 minutes, we win. If BB doesn't do the grubber kick after 42 minutes, we also win.
Should have been over but wasn't. It's no good talking in theories the reality is the Lions cruising to victory. I'm as surprised as everyone else but fact is Lions are decent enough.
Definitely. The Lions aren't a bad team.
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I wonder if the Lions can score another try? Just to come back from 22-3 down and score close to 50 points. But then these are the Boks beating the shit out of the Canes.
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I wonder if the Lions can score another try? Just to come back from 22-3 down and score close to 50 points. But then these are the Boks beating the shit out of the Canes.
@JustAnotherFan said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
I wonder if the Lions can score another try? Just to come back from 22-3 down and score close to 50 points. But then these are the Boks beating the shit out of the Canes.
Will they make up the bulk of the Boks? That's pretty concerning they were down 22-3 to the Canes then...
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Tounge-in-cheek comments aside, the final will be bloody interesting. The Saders defense is great but defending on a cold wet night in CHCH is a far cry from defending on a dry track at altitude against a team that loves to throw it around. A real clash of styles with conditions likely to favour the home side. Should be a cracker.
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Well done Lions.
Hard luck Canes. Very good season.
Suck it up Canes fans
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@JustAnotherFan said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
I wonder if the Lions can score another try? Just to come back from 22-3 down and score close to 50 points. But then these are the Boks beating the shit out of the Canes.
Will they make up the bulk of the Boks? That's pretty concerning they were down 22-3 to the Canes then...
@No-Quarter said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@JustAnotherFan said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
I wonder if the Lions can score another try? Just to come back from 22-3 down and score close to 50 points. But then these are the Boks beating the shit out of the Canes.
Will they make up the bulk of the Boks? That's pretty concerning they were down 22-3 to the Canes then...
They already are the bulk of the Boks, but yes it is concerning. As was said against France, Boks are back.
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Well done ot the Lions Fought back well in the second half with a much-improved effort than the week previous against the Sharks.
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Tounge-in-cheek comments aside, the final will be bloody interesting. The Saders defense is great but defending on a cold wet night in CHCH is a far cry from defending on a dry track at altitude against a team that loves to throw it around. A real clash of styles with conditions likely to favour the home side. Should be a cracker.
@No-Quarter said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
Tounge-in-cheek comments aside, the final will be bloody interesting. The Saders defense is great but defending on a cold wet night in CHCH is a far cry from defending on a dry track at altitude against a team that loves to throw it around. A real clash of styles with conditions likely to favour the home side. Should be a cracker.
Yep - and for all the people bleating about the conference system (and a note to those people - it's over, so all good, eh?) - this final is what a lot of people were proposing - conference winner vs conference winner.
The location... well, effectively down to flip-of-a-coin, but that's the way it goes sometimes. -
@No-Quarter said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@JustAnotherFan said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
I wonder if the Lions can score another try? Just to come back from 22-3 down and score close to 50 points. But then these are the Boks beating the shit out of the Canes.
Will they make up the bulk of the Boks? That's pretty concerning they were down 22-3 to the Canes then...
They already are the bulk of the Boks, but yes it is concerning. As was said against France, Boks are back.
@JustAnotherFan said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@No-Quarter said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@JustAnotherFan said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
I wonder if the Lions can score another try? Just to come back from 22-3 down and score close to 50 points. But then these are the Boks beating the shit out of the Canes.
Will they make up the bulk of the Boks? That's pretty concerning they were down 22-3 to the Canes then...
They already are the bulk of the Boks, but yes it is concerning. As was said against France, Boks are back.
I really, really fucking hope the Boks are back. Given the state of the Wallabies SH rugby needs them back to strength ASAP!
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@hydro11 said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Winger said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
Nah that's a YC all day. Hot on attack, and they had quick ball and Barrett impeded that. Doesn't matter that it was an accident.
Its not. Its just shocking reffing
Umm no, it's the right decision.
Why? It's inadvertent! You can't have a deterrent for inadvertent play. It's a joke.
You have to penalise regardless of intent - otherwise it becomes a game of who can "act the innocent" the best. Hence the wording around the new head-contact rules... it's not about intent, but "reckless", "avoidable", etc.
@Kruse said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@hydro11 said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Winger said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
Nah that's a YC all day. Hot on attack, and they had quick ball and Barrett impeded that. Doesn't matter that it was an accident.
Its not. Its just shocking reffing
Umm no, it's the right decision.
Why? It's inadvertent! You can't have a deterrent for inadvertent play. It's a joke.
You have to penalise regardless of intent - otherwise it becomes a game of who can "act the innocent" the best. Hence the wording around the new head-contact rules... it's not about intent, but "reckless", "avoidable", etc.
Its the yellow card tahst the issue
Its a shame that a dreadful reffing decision had such a big impact on the game. bUT THE Canes looked stuffed after about 35 minutes. something has to be done about the travel in the finals to make them fairer. Ive mentioned before that the semis should have been Chiefs lions and Crusaders / Canes. But this obvious less travel option is beyond the wit of the super rugby brain-dead administators
But well done to the Lions. Deserved winner. Should be a good final with 1 vs 2.
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@Kruse said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@hydro11 said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Winger said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
Nah that's a YC all day. Hot on attack, and they had quick ball and Barrett impeded that. Doesn't matter that it was an accident.
Its not. Its just shocking reffing
Umm no, it's the right decision.
Why? It's inadvertent! You can't have a deterrent for inadvertent play. It's a joke.
You have to penalise regardless of intent - otherwise it becomes a game of who can "act the innocent" the best. Hence the wording around the new head-contact rules... it's not about intent, but "reckless", "avoidable", etc.
Its the yellow card tahst the issue
Its a shame that a dreadful reffing decision had such a big impact on the game. bUT THE Canes looked stuffed after about 35 minutes. something has to be done about the travel in the finals to make them fairer. Ive mentioned before that the semis should have been Chiefs lions and Crusaders / Canes. But this obvious less travel option is beyond the wit of the super rugby brain-dead administators
But well done to the Lions. Deserved winner. Should be a good final with 1 vs 2.
@Winger said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Kruse said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@hydro11 said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Winger said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
Nah that's a YC all day. Hot on attack, and they had quick ball and Barrett impeded that. Doesn't matter that it was an accident.
Its not. Its just shocking reffing
Umm no, it's the right decision.
Why? It's inadvertent! You can't have a deterrent for inadvertent play. It's a joke.
You have to penalise regardless of intent - otherwise it becomes a game of who can "act the innocent" the best. Hence the wording around the new head-contact rules... it's not about intent, but "reckless", "avoidable", etc.
Its the yellow card tahst the issue
Its a shame that a dreadful reffing decision had such a big impact on the game. bUT THE Canes looked stuffed after about 35 minutes. something has to be done about the travel in the finals to make them fairer. Ive mentioned before that the semis should have been Chiefs lions and Crusaders / Canes. But this obvious less travel option is beyond the wit of the super rugby brain-dead administators
But well done to the Lions. Deserved winner. Should be a good final with 1 vs 2.
I will give Beaudy the benefit of the doubt in that he "wasn't aware of the position" of the ball being between his legs. But he still he pulled it back when rolling away and there was a turnover. Yes, it was accidental, but still in my opinion a professional foul in the red zone. Should it have only been a penalty? The Supersport board of ex-international players and coaches say no, it is a yellow card.
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@Winger said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Kruse said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@hydro11 said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Winger said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
Nah that's a YC all day. Hot on attack, and they had quick ball and Barrett impeded that. Doesn't matter that it was an accident.
Its not. Its just shocking reffing
Umm no, it's the right decision.
Why? It's inadvertent! You can't have a deterrent for inadvertent play. It's a joke.
You have to penalise regardless of intent - otherwise it becomes a game of who can "act the innocent" the best. Hence the wording around the new head-contact rules... it's not about intent, but "reckless", "avoidable", etc.
Its the yellow card tahst the issue
Its a shame that a dreadful reffing decision had such a big impact on the game. bUT THE Canes looked stuffed after about 35 minutes. something has to be done about the travel in the finals to make them fairer. Ive mentioned before that the semis should have been Chiefs lions and Crusaders / Canes. But this obvious less travel option is beyond the wit of the super rugby brain-dead administators
But well done to the Lions. Deserved winner. Should be a good final with 1 vs 2.
I will give Beaudy the benefit of the doubt in that he "wasn't aware of the position" of the ball being between his legs. But he still he pulled it back when rolling away and there was a turnover. Yes, it was accidental, but still in my opinion a professional foul in the red zone. Should it have only been a penalty? The Supersport board of ex-international players and coaches say no, it is a yellow card.
@JustAnotherFan said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Winger said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Kruse said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@hydro11 said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Winger said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
Nah that's a YC all day. Hot on attack, and they had quick ball and Barrett impeded that. Doesn't matter that it was an accident.
Its not. Its just shocking reffing
Umm no, it's the right decision.
Why? It's inadvertent! You can't have a deterrent for inadvertent play. It's a joke.
You have to penalise regardless of intent - otherwise it becomes a game of who can "act the innocent" the best. Hence the wording around the new head-contact rules... it's not about intent, but "reckless", "avoidable", etc.
Its the yellow card tahst the issue
Its a shame that a dreadful reffing decision had such a big impact on the game. bUT THE Canes looked stuffed after about 35 minutes. something has to be done about the travel in the finals to make them fairer. Ive mentioned before that the semis should have been Chiefs lions and Crusaders / Canes. But this obvious less travel option is beyond the wit of the super rugby brain-dead administators
But well done to the Lions. Deserved winner. Should be a good final with 1 vs 2.
I will give Beaudy the benefit of the doubt in that he "wasn't aware of the position" of the ball being between his legs. But he still he pulled it back when rolling away and there was a turnover. Yes, it was accidental, but still in my opinion a professional foul in the red zone. Should it have only been a penalty? The Supersport board of ex-international players and coaches say no, it is a yellow card.
The definition of a "professional foul" - includes the act being deliberate.
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@Winger said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Kruse said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@hydro11 said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Winger said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
Nah that's a YC all day. Hot on attack, and they had quick ball and Barrett impeded that. Doesn't matter that it was an accident.
Its not. Its just shocking reffing
Umm no, it's the right decision.
Why? It's inadvertent! You can't have a deterrent for inadvertent play. It's a joke.
You have to penalise regardless of intent - otherwise it becomes a game of who can "act the innocent" the best. Hence the wording around the new head-contact rules... it's not about intent, but "reckless", "avoidable", etc.
Its the yellow card tahst the issue
Its a shame that a dreadful reffing decision had such a big impact on the game. bUT THE Canes looked stuffed after about 35 minutes. something has to be done about the travel in the finals to make them fairer. Ive mentioned before that the semis should have been Chiefs lions and Crusaders / Canes. But this obvious less travel option is beyond the wit of the super rugby brain-dead administators
But well done to the Lions. Deserved winner. Should be a good final with 1 vs 2.
I will give Beaudy the benefit of the doubt in that he "wasn't aware of the position" of the ball being between his legs. But he still he pulled it back when rolling away and there was a turnover. Yes, it was accidental, but still in my opinion a professional foul in the red zone. Should it have only been a penalty? The Supersport board of ex-international players and coaches say no, it is a yellow card.
@JustAnotherFan said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Winger said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Kruse said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@hydro11 said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Winger said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
Nah that's a YC all day. Hot on attack, and they had quick ball and Barrett impeded that. Doesn't matter that it was an accident.
Its not. Its just shocking reffing
Umm no, it's the right decision.
Why? It's inadvertent! You can't have a deterrent for inadvertent play. It's a joke.
You have to penalise regardless of intent - otherwise it becomes a game of who can "act the innocent" the best. Hence the wording around the new head-contact rules... it's not about intent, but "reckless", "avoidable", etc.
Its the yellow card tahst the issue
Its a shame that a dreadful reffing decision had such a big impact on the game. bUT THE Canes looked stuffed after about 35 minutes. something has to be done about the travel in the finals to make them fairer. Ive mentioned before that the semis should have been Chiefs lions and Crusaders / Canes. But this obvious less travel option is beyond the wit of the super rugby brain-dead administators
But well done to the Lions. Deserved winner. Should be a good final with 1 vs 2.
I will give Beaudy the benefit of the doubt in that he "wasn't aware of the position" of the ball being between his legs. But he still he pulled it back when rolling away and there was a turnover. Yes, it was accidental, but still in my opinion a professional foul in the red zone. Should it have only been a penalty? The Supersport board of ex-international players and coaches say no, it is a yellow card.
Christ. You might as well cite Fox Sports Rugby panel for decisions that go the way of the Wallabies...
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@Kruse said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@hydro11 said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Winger said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
Nah that's a YC all day. Hot on attack, and they had quick ball and Barrett impeded that. Doesn't matter that it was an accident.
Its not. Its just shocking reffing
Umm no, it's the right decision.
Why? It's inadvertent! You can't have a deterrent for inadvertent play. It's a joke.
You have to penalise regardless of intent - otherwise it becomes a game of who can "act the innocent" the best. Hence the wording around the new head-contact rules... it's not about intent, but "reckless", "avoidable", etc.
Its the yellow card tahst the issue
Its a shame that a dreadful reffing decision had such a big impact on the game. bUT THE Canes looked stuffed after about 35 minutes. something has to be done about the travel in the finals to make them fairer. Ive mentioned before that the semis should have been Chiefs lions and Crusaders / Canes. But this obvious less travel option is beyond the wit of the super rugby brain-dead administators
But well done to the Lions. Deserved winner. Should be a good final with 1 vs 2.
@Winger said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Kruse said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@hydro11 said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Winger said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
Nah that's a YC all day. Hot on attack, and they had quick ball and Barrett impeded that. Doesn't matter that it was an accident.
Its not. Its just shocking reffing
Umm no, it's the right decision.
Why? It's inadvertent! You can't have a deterrent for inadvertent play. It's a joke.
You have to penalise regardless of intent - otherwise it becomes a game of who can "act the innocent" the best. Hence the wording around the new head-contact rules... it's not about intent, but "reckless", "avoidable", etc.
Its the yellow card tahst the issue
Its a shame that a dreadful reffing decision had such a big impact on the game. bUT THE Canes looked stuffed after about 35 minutes. something has to be done about the travel in the finals to make them fairer. Ive mentioned before that the semis should have been Chiefs lions and Crusaders / Canes. But this obvious less travel option is beyond the wit of the super rugby brain-dead administators
But well done to the Lions. Deserved winner. Should be a good final with 1 vs 2.
Yep - as I've admitted above - yes, the YC is the issue, and I agree... shit, I agree with Winger... the YC was 'wrong'.
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This competition can really get fucked. 1st it's the stupid conference system then they have home town refs with hometown TV producers wanting to also win it for the home team. How the fuck can there only by one camera angle for the disputed try, yet immediately after the try is given they show a reply from a side angle, which the referee wanted.
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This competition can really get fucked. 1st it's the stupid conference system then they have home town refs with hometown TV producers wanting to also win it for the home team. How the fuck can there only by one camera angle for the disputed try, yet immediately after the try is given they show a reply from a side angle, which the referee wanted.
@Rebound I know the utter incompetence of the NRL bunker system puts people off the concept, but properly implemented would solve a number of issues. The conference system is a separate matter. As shit as it is, it's the best solution to an expanded Super Rugby tournament that tries to accommodate Australia's inability to have a national rugby competition.
