Lions v Hurricanes (SF)
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With the development of players like Aso and Goosen, Jane has clearly had to take a step back and has been getting few starts this season. Has anyone heard any rumours whether Jane will return to the Canes next year (after his 2nd year in Japan)? His contract with the Canes ends after this SR season.
@Stargazer said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
With the development of players like Aso and Goosen, Jane has clearly had to take a step back and has been getting few starts this season. Has anyone heard any rumours whether Jane will return to the Canes next year (after his 2nd year in Japan)? His contract with the Canes ends after this SR season.
I doubt he will be back in a playing role. He can make bucks doing stints in Japan and has set the family up with a business to operate.
Although he can come across as a bit thick at times he is apparently quite valued for his analysis and coaching of back play both on defence and attack. He was always great at positioning. Players often joke that they have an onfield coach when he is playing and offering no shortage of advice. I can see him becoming part of the Canes off-field organisation. If they don't employ him he will just turn up and offer advice anyway. -
@Stargazer said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
With the development of players like Aso and Goosen, Jane has clearly had to take a step back and has been getting few starts this season. Has anyone heard any rumours whether Jane will return to the Canes next year (after his 2nd year in Japan)? His contract with the Canes ends after this SR season.
I doubt he will be back in a playing role. He can make bucks doing stints in Japan and has set the family up with a business to operate.
Although he can come across as a bit thick at times he is apparently quite valued for his analysis and coaching of back play both on defence and attack. He was always great at positioning. Players often joke that they have an onfield coach when he is playing and offering no shortage of advice. I can see him becoming part of the Canes off-field organisation. If they don't employ him he will just turn up and offer advice anyway.@Crucial said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Stargazer said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
With the development of players like Aso and Goosen, Jane has clearly had to take a step back and has been getting few starts this season. Has anyone heard any rumours whether Jane will return to the Canes next year (after his 2nd year in Japan)? His contract with the Canes ends after this SR season.
I doubt he will be back in a playing role. He can make bucks doing stints in Japan and has set the family up with a business to operate.
Although he can come across as a bit thick at times he is apparently quite valued for his analysis and coaching of back play both on defence and attack. He was always great at positioning. Players often joke that they have an onfield coach when he is playing and offering no shortage of advice. I can see him becoming part of the Canes off-field organisation. If they don't employ him he will just turn up and offer advice anyway.His Hutt roots run deep, I think everything will centre around his family keeping their base where it is
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@Crucial said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Stargazer said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
With the development of players like Aso and Goosen, Jane has clearly had to take a step back and has been getting few starts this season. Has anyone heard any rumours whether Jane will return to the Canes next year (after his 2nd year in Japan)? His contract with the Canes ends after this SR season.
I doubt he will be back in a playing role. He can make bucks doing stints in Japan and has set the family up with a business to operate.
Although he can come across as a bit thick at times he is apparently quite valued for his analysis and coaching of back play both on defence and attack. He was always great at positioning. Players often joke that they have an onfield coach when he is playing and offering no shortage of advice. I can see him becoming part of the Canes off-field organisation. If they don't employ him he will just turn up and offer advice anyway.His Hutt roots run deep, I think everything will centre around his family keeping their base where it is
@canefan said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Crucial said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Stargazer said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
With the development of players like Aso and Goosen, Jane has clearly had to take a step back and has been getting few starts this season. Has anyone heard any rumours whether Jane will return to the Canes next year (after his 2nd year in Japan)? His contract with the Canes ends after this SR season.
I doubt he will be back in a playing role. He can make bucks doing stints in Japan and has set the family up with a business to operate.
Although he can come across as a bit thick at times he is apparently quite valued for his analysis and coaching of back play both on defence and attack. He was always great at positioning. Players often joke that they have an onfield coach when he is playing and offering no shortage of advice. I can see him becoming part of the Canes off-field organisation. If they don't employ him he will just turn up and offer advice anyway.His Hutt roots run deep, I think everything will centre around his family keeping their base where it is
He (well actually his wife and a friend) brought out a local gym that went bust. Got all the gear at fire sale price and setup a new gym. It's the family business now.
He is very much a family man and his support network for the kids is all around him. Nott the type to run overseas after money. -
Yeah he was looking at short but lucrative overseas gigs as their son has a serious medical condition. Great that we'll see him (and his whanau) stay in NZ. I agree with the comments about his rugby nous, when you hear him talk about the game in detail it's like listening to a different person!
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Sorry @Wreck-Diver as I have to agree with @Bones and @Rancid-Schnitzel
If available, I would have Proctor at 13 and move Aso back to the wing with
ArdieJulian (edit thanks @booboo ) on the other. Aso's defense at Centre is a bit sus as he tends to shoot up and miss tackles.Aso has done well in Proctor's absence but I'd have Proctor back at Centre in a heart beat.
Plus, whilst stats don't always tell the full picture, they certainly help to give context and those stats that @Bones linked to give excellent context.
Anyway, all a moot point as Proctor isn't available and I would go with the backline as suggested earlier in the thread:
11 Julian Savea
12 Laumape
12 Aso
14 Milner-Skudder
15 Jordie BarrettStill a very settled and potent backline and one that has all the potential to help the 'Canes go back to back!
My $0.02 worth
@RoninWC said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
Sorry @Wreck-Diver as I have to agree with @Bones and @Rancid-Schnitzel
If available, I would have Proctor at 13 and move Aso back to the wing with Ardie on the other. Aso's defense at Centre is a bit sus as he tends to shoot up and miss tackles.
Ardie? Surely he starts at 12? Jules maybe on the wing ...
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Wow, that's an "interesting" reffing team. Not sold on non neutral refs for semis, especially when you get thrown that team...
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@Bones said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
Wow, that's an "interesting" reffing team. Not sold on non neutral refs for semis, especially when you get thrown that team...
Jack O'Piper is ok.
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Match: Lions v Hurricanes @ Emirates Airlines Park, Johannesburg
Date: Saturday 29 July 2017
Kick-Off: 14:30 local
Referee: Jaco Peyper
AR1: Marius van der Westhuizen
AR2: Rasta Rasivhenge
TMO: Marius Jonker@G-Man said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
Match: Lions v Hurricanes @ Emirates Airlines Park, Johannesburg
Date: Saturday 29 July 2017
Kick-Off: 14:30 local
Referee: Jaco Peyper
AR1: Marius van der Westhuizen
AR2: Rasta Rasivhenge
TMO: Marius JonkerThat's terrible. The first AR tried to whistle the Sharks out of their quarter final.
The second one was a truly terrible 7s referee. The idea that clown is being groomed to take care of real rugby terrifies me.
The third one is a known cheat and shit TMO.
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@RoninWC said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
Sorry @Wreck-Diver as I have to agree with @Bones and @Rancid-Schnitzel
If available, I would have Proctor at 13 and move Aso back to the wing with Ardie on the other. Aso's defense at Centre is a bit sus as he tends to shoot up and miss tackles.
Ardie? Surely he starts at 12? Jules maybe on the wing ...
@booboo said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@RoninWC said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
Sorry @Wreck-Diver as I have to agree with @Bones and @Rancid-Schnitzel
If available, I would have Proctor at 13 and move Aso back to the wing with Ardie on the other. Aso's defense at Centre is a bit sus as he tends to shoot up and miss tackles.
Ardie? Surely he starts at 12? Jules maybe on the wing ...
Ah yeah... For the semi-finals why not go with something out of left field that the other teams won't be expecting... Ardie with his speed (and height) for the wing and put Jules on the side of the scrum as he's the bigger sibling.
Thanks for pointing out my mistake @booboo and I shall fix forth with.
Cheers
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Yeah he was looking at short but lucrative overseas gigs as their son has a serious medical condition. Great that we'll see him (and his whanau) stay in NZ. I agree with the comments about his rugby nous, when you hear him talk about the game in detail it's like listening to a different person!
@Paekakboyz said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
Yeah he was looking at short but lucrative overseas gigs as their son has a serious medical condition. Great that we'll see him (and his whanau) stay in NZ. I agree with the comments about his rugby nous, when you hear him talk about the game in detail it's like listening to a different person!
The Piri effect.
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Also the Cullen effect.. or kind of. I've been impressed with how Cully has grown into his presenting and commentating work
He was a pretty quiet guy, and having guys like Rush taking pot shots at your intellect (beer bottle!) doesn't help. Although I'm almost certain Rush admitted he was talking about Osborne aye?
Or we could call it the anti-Marshall effect! A guy you KNOW knows a lot about the game... not that you'd think so listening to him!
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Also the Cullen effect.. or kind of. I've been impressed with how Cully has grown into his presenting and commentating work
He was a pretty quiet guy, and having guys like Rush taking pot shots at your intellect (beer bottle!) doesn't help. Although I'm almost certain Rush admitted he was talking about Osborne aye?
Or we could call it the anti-Marshall effect! A guy you KNOW knows a lot about the game... not that you'd think so listening to him!
@Paekakboyz said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
Or we could call it the anti-Marshall effect! A guy you KNOW knows a lot about the game... not that you'd think so listening to him!
The problem with Marshall is he thinks he knows a lot about the laws of the game. But he doesn't.
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@Paekakboyz obviously you have some bias there for the Paekak Express, but I agree Cullen has been good value. Outrageously humble given his God-like feats on the paddock, and doesn't wank on about nothing like some of the others that just absolutely love the sound of their own voices. He's provided some good insights into the backline play, say what you want about his intellect off the field but he was a smart player on it, made a lot of very good defenders look stupid with the lines he ran.
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ha ha I reckon I am a harder judge on him because of the Pakeak connection! He was a nice guy but not a talkative guy at all.
I think a lot of the coaching and speaking work he did with IRANZ has helped out. The first time they had him on sky I was kind of stumped, thinking maybe they were just paying him per word
Similar to Jane I don't think he's anywhere as dull as some folks make out.
Hell yeah, his job was to make others look stupid on the field!!
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Procter is not going to be starting and will not cost the Canes going back to back no matter wait @Bones or I think. Procter has a top knot which makes him a fluffy bunny anyway.
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@Paekakboyz said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
Or we could call it the anti-Marshall effect! A guy you KNOW knows a lot about the game... not that you'd think so listening to him!
The problem with Marshall is he thinks he knows a lot about the laws of the game. But he doesn't.
@nzzp said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Paekakboyz said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
Or we could call it the anti-Marshall effect! A guy you KNOW knows a lot about the game... not that you'd think so listening to him!
The problem with Marshall is he thinks he knows a lot about the laws of the game. But he doesn't.
I think if Marshall has time to sit and think about what he is saying, he is very good and analytical (ie when he was doing a piece in the Ferald) but when he is speaking off the cuff, he gets emotional and talks shit.
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@nzzp said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Paekakboyz said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
Or we could call it the anti-Marshall effect! A guy you KNOW knows a lot about the game... not that you'd think so listening to him!
The problem with Marshall is he thinks he knows a lot about the laws of the game. But he doesn't.
I think if Marshall has time to sit and think about what he is saying, he is very good and analytical (ie when he was doing a piece in the Ferald) but when he is speaking off the cuff, he gets emotional and talks shit.
@taniwharugby said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@nzzp said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Paekakboyz said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
Or we could call it the anti-Marshall effect! A guy you KNOW knows a lot about the game... not that you'd think so listening to him!
The problem with Marshall is he thinks he knows a lot about the laws of the game. But he doesn't.
I think if Marshall has time to sit and think about what he is saying, he is very good and analytical (ie when he was doing a piece in the Ferald) but when he is speaking off the cuff, he gets emotional and talks shit.
I also think his insight at set piece is very good, he quite often picks what teams are going to do based on their set up.
Although if that was the only time he talked during the game he'd add about the same amount of value.
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@taniwharugby said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@nzzp said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Paekakboyz said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
Or we could call it the anti-Marshall effect! A guy you KNOW knows a lot about the game... not that you'd think so listening to him!
The problem with Marshall is he thinks he knows a lot about the laws of the game. But he doesn't.
I think if Marshall has time to sit and think about what he is saying, he is very good and analytical (ie when he was doing a piece in the Ferald) but when he is speaking off the cuff, he gets emotional and talks shit.
I also think his insight at set piece is very good, he quite often picks what teams are going to do based on their set up.
Although if that was the only time he talked during the game he'd add about the same amount of value.
@Cyclops said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
I also think his insight at set piece is very good, he quite often picks what teams are going to do based on their set up.
Although if that was the only time he talked during the game he'd add about the same amount of value.
He's probably better suited to the sideline role that Ian Smith has for the Test matches. I'd prefer Wilson in the colour commentator seat
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