AB's v Wales
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So do some posters still think that Akira Ioane is higher up the pecking order than Luke Whitelock? I'm very happy for Luke, he was gifted a test cap years before he was actually ready, and was perhaps deservedly ridiculed by some people because of this. However he has become a very reliable and accurate player for both Canterbury and the Highlanders and has thoroughly deserved this call-up. I hope he plays really well.
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@kiwimurph that too....haha
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@kiwimurph said in AB's v Wales:
@cantab79 As an 8 sure. Its quite clear ABs see Akira as a 6 at this stage.
Which means he’s going to have to work even harder because it seems right now Akira is 3rd or 4th blindside option
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@kiwimurph said in AB's v Wales:
@cantab79 As an 8 sure. Its quite clear ABs see Akira as a 6 at this stage.
Which means he’s going to have to work even harder because it seems right now Akira is 3rd or 4th blindside option
@act-crusader I think he just needs to keep improving - he's the youngest of the bunch. He'll have plenty of opportunity in Super Rugby to push his claims. He certainly had a better 2017 than 2016 but still has a long way to develop further.
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my bet on Wales is looking better and better.
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my bet on Wales is looking better and better.
@mariner4life said in AB's v Wales:
my bet on Wales is looking better and better.
Good on you for trying not to sound so happy
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my bet on Wales is looking better and better.
@mariner4life said in AB's v Wales:
my bet on Wales is looking better and better.
Well, if not that then at least the 18.5 point start.
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@mariner4life said in AB's v Wales:
my bet on Wales is looking better and better.
Well, if not that then at least the 18.5 point start.
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@milk the margin betting is ridiculous
@mariner4life did you get that on TAB or elsewhere?
what are other betting agencies odds? TAB are always skewed heavily when ABs play anyone.
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@mariner4life did you get that on TAB or elsewhere?
what are other betting agencies odds? TAB are always skewed heavily when ABs play anyone.
@taniwharugby Sportsbet. Wales out to $8 now. Line at 17.5
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@taniwharugby Sportsbet. Wales out to $8 now. Line at 17.5
@mariner4life said in AB's v Wales:
@taniwharugby Sportsbet. Wales out to $8 now. Line at 17.5
The 18.5 points start is at the NZ tab. ($6 head to head)
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Luke Whitelock starting at 8 shows our lack of depth in that position. The coaches have to bear some responsibility there, they haven't developed anyone at all in that position. They seemed to try Ardie for a while but then canned that and haven't done anything since.
I hope Luke goes well, as others have noted he's not the player he was when he first made the team, so I'm confident he will make a good go of it.
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Luke Whitelock starting at 8 shows our lack of depth in that position. The coaches have to bear some responsibility there, they haven't developed anyone at all in that position. They seemed to try Ardie for a while but then canned that and haven't done anything since.
I hope Luke goes well, as others have noted he's not the player he was when he first made the team, so I'm confident he will make a good go of it.
@no-quarter said in AB's v Wales:
Luke Whitelock starting at 8 shows our lack of depth in that position. The coaches have to bear some responsibility there, they haven't developed anyone at all in that position. They seemed to try Ardie for a while but then canned that and haven't done anything since.
They can only select from what players look like they can make the step up at Super level. Then the "spare" can only develop his craft against second tier teams. Same issue we had when McCaw was fit - just a different position.
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@no-quarter said in AB's v Wales:
Luke Whitelock starting at 8 shows our lack of depth in that position. The coaches have to bear some responsibility there, they haven't developed anyone at all in that position. They seemed to try Ardie for a while but then canned that and haven't done anything since.
They can only select from what players look like they can make the step up at Super level. Then the "spare" can only develop his craft against second tier teams. Same issue we had when McCaw was fit - just a different position.
@antipodean said in AB's v Wales:
@no-quarter said in AB's v Wales:
Luke Whitelock starting at 8 shows our lack of depth in that position. The coaches have to bear some responsibility there, they haven't developed anyone at all in that position. They seemed to try Ardie for a while but then canned that and haven't done anything since.
They can only select from what players look like they can make the step up at Super level. Then the "spare" can only develop his craft against second tier teams. Same issue we had when McCaw was fit - just a different position.
That's a fair point, though with McCaw we at least had Cane replacing him who had been in the squad for some time and had test experience. As it is we're throwing Luke in the deep end after leaving him in the wilderness for years.
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Luke Whitelock starting at 8 shows our lack of depth in that position. The coaches have to bear some responsibility there, they haven't developed anyone at all in that position. They seemed to try Ardie for a while but then canned that and haven't done anything since.
I hope Luke goes well, as others have noted he's not the player he was when he first made the team, so I'm confident he will make a good go of it.
@no-quarter is tough really, people were critical of the lack of depth at 10 for both 2007 & 2011, but really, for 2011 in particular, could ANY team plan for that situation, and still win?
You don't want to give a guy time just cos, you play to win, and if keeping the captain on for 80 is the best way to achieve that, then that's how we do it?
This coaching group have shown they like to have their captain out there for 80 pretty much week in week out.
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Luke Whitelock starting at 8 shows our lack of depth in that position. The coaches have to bear some responsibility there, they haven't developed anyone at all in that position. They seemed to try Ardie for a while but then canned that and haven't done anything since.
I hope Luke goes well, as others have noted he's not the player he was when he first made the team, so I'm confident he will make a good go of it.
@no-quarter said in AB's v Wales:
Luke Whitelock starting at 8 shows our lack of depth in that position. The coaches have to bear some responsibility there, they haven't developed anyone at all in that position. They seemed to try Ardie for a while but then canned that and haven't done anything since.
I hope Luke goes well, as others have noted he's not the player he was when he first made the team, so I'm confident he will make a good go of it.
Steve Luatua.
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Victor Vito
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Luke Whitelock starting at 8 shows our lack of depth in that position. The coaches have to bear some responsibility there, they haven't developed anyone at all in that position. They seemed to try Ardie for a while but then canned that and haven't done anything since.
I hope Luke goes well, as others have noted he's not the player he was when he first made the team, so I'm confident he will make a good go of it.
@no-quarter said in AB's v Wales:
Luke Whitelock starting at 8 shows our lack of depth in that position. The coaches have to bear some responsibility there, they haven't developed anyone at all in that position. They seemed to try Ardie for a while but then canned that and haven't done anything since.
I hope Luke goes well, as others have noted he's not the player he was when he first made the team, so I'm confident he will make a good go of it.
I don't for a minute think our coaches are beyond reproach in terms of the way they've handled the succession of various positions. At hooker, for instance, they persisted on and on with just Mealamu and Hore, and eventually got lucky that Coles came along - with no discernible Plan B.
Similarly, No. 8. The real plan B. is Squire, but he hasn't actually played there yet - and now they need him at 6 this weekend, so Luke's thrown in at 8.
Actually, I think he'll be fine - I wrote a month or so back that there's a good prospect that he's the second best No. 8 in the country.
But, to the critique of the coaches, I'd add the selection of TKB for a farewell tour. What's been the point and why the contrast against the (non) selection of Luatua?
