Crusaders v Hurricanes - SF
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@taniwharugby said in Crusaders v Hurricanes - SF:
@chris-b yeah the canes game plan was puzzling, kicking for one, but even with the saders mid-field is usually pretty tough to crack, Laumape barely ran at it with any venom to test it last night
It looked even more puzzling because when they final had someone (Savea I think) hit it up in midfield he broke the line and made a good 20-30 metres. But then they never tried it again. It felt a bit like the 'canes had out-thought themselves, trying to double bluff the crusaders and hoping that Laumape would draw defenders in by reputation creating opportunities elsewhere, and then for whatever reason didn't switch up when that wasn't working.
I'm still confused about the application of the rules for Barrett's almost-try. I get that because the ref stopped play the restart is a scrum, but surely the ball was still live after it was placed, so the 'turnover' (i..e Bridge picking up the ball after Barrett placed it) was good so it should have been a Crusader's feed?
@cyclops said in Crusaders v Hurricanes - SF:
@taniwharugby said in Crusaders v Hurricanes - SF:
@chris-b yeah the canes game plan was puzzling, kicking for one, but even with the saders mid-field is usually pretty tough to crack, Laumape barely ran at it with any venom to test it last night
It looked even more puzzling because when they final had someone (Savea I think) hit it up in midfield he broke the line and made a good 20-30 metres. But then they never tried it again. It felt a bit like the 'canes had out-thought themselves, trying to double bluff the crusaders and hoping that Laumape would draw defenders in by reputation creating opportunities elsewhere, and then for whatever reason didn't switch up when that wasn't working.
I'm still confused about the application of the rules for Barrett's almost-try. I get that because the ref stopped play the restart is a scrum, but surely the ball was still live after it was placed, so the 'turnover' (i..e Bridge picking up the ball after Barrett placed it) was good so it should have been a Crusader's feed?
Probably a Canes penalty as the player picking it up didn't come through the gate
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@stargazer said in Crusaders v Hurricanes - SF:
@pukunui said in Crusaders v Hurricanes - SF:
Two things.
- Has a deliberate knock down really jumped from a penalty to an automatic yellow card as the commentators seem to keep suggesting? Or are they talking shit again. Either way im sick of these things. Turning me off the game big time.
This is what the lawyer, who defends cited players before the WR and SANZAAR judiciary has to say about that:
https://twitter.com/AaronLloydNZL/status/1023318200602124290
Fantastic. That is exactly what i wanted to see. It has been creeping into the commentary more and more. IMO that law's worth is debatable in the first place when it is a penalty only. To have constant calls for automatic yellow on top gives me the shits.
@pukunui said in Crusaders v Hurricanes - SF:
@stargazer said in Crusaders v Hurricanes - SF:
@pukunui said in Crusaders v Hurricanes - SF:
Two things.
- Has a deliberate knock down really jumped from a penalty to an automatic yellow card as the commentators seem to keep suggesting? Or are they talking shit again. Either way im sick of these things. Turning me off the game big time.
This is what the lawyer, who defends cited players before the WR and SANZAAR judiciary has to say about that:
https://twitter.com/AaronLloydNZL/status/1023318200602124290
Fantastic. That is exactly what i wanted to see. It has been creeping into the commentary more and more. IMO that law's worth is debatable in the first place when it is a penalty only. To have constant calls for automatic yellow on top gives me the shits.
I think the fern's favourite Justin can be blamed for the way this is being dealt with now. He went on and on about it a couple of seasons ago.
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@shark said in Crusaders v Hurricanes - SF:
At least last night's game eases the AB midfield 'logjam' with Laumape having by far his worst game of the season. No pressure to select him now.
Agreed. His defense was woeful at times - it’s a real shame because, on attack, I think he has the tools to be awesome at the next level. On defense though, he looks a liability right now.
@gt12 said in Crusaders v Hurricanes - SF:
@shark said in Crusaders v Hurricanes - SF:
At least last night's game eases the AB midfield 'logjam' with Laumape having by far his worst game of the season. No pressure to select him now.
Agreed. His defense was woeful at times - it’s a real shame because, on attack, I think he has the tools to be awesome at the next level. On defense though, he looks a liability right now.
I would prefer to see Aso (best position looks to be 12 and he's too good not to start) starting at 12 next year with Laumape as an impact player. At this stage he's too one dimensional. If a team defends well Laumape is ordinary
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Laumape reminds me of Sam Tuitupou in many ways. Similarly limited but good enough at what he does well to please people when he’s on.
@shark said in Crusaders v Hurricanes - SF:
Laumape reminds me of Sam Tuitupou in many ways. Similarly limited but good enough at what he does well to please people when he’s on.
Sammy T moved well laterally on defence. Laumape can hit hard in the tackle like Tuitupou but struggles with an all round defensive game.
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I know some arent fans of Phil Gifford, but good interview with Darcy on RS where they talk Razor and Crusaders
Definitely some interesting bits in there about Razor!
starts about 8 mins
http://120.138.20.16/WeekOnDemand/radiosport/2018.07.30-17.00.00-S.mp3http://120.138.20.16/WeekOnDemand/radiosport/2018.07.30-17.15.00-S.mp3
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@gt12 said in Crusaders v Hurricanes - SF:
@shark said in Crusaders v Hurricanes - SF:
At least last night's game eases the AB midfield 'logjam' with Laumape having by far his worst game of the season. No pressure to select him now.
Agreed. His defense was woeful at times - it’s a real shame because, on attack, I think he has the tools to be awesome at the next level. On defense though, he looks a liability right now.
I would prefer to see Aso (best position looks to be 12 and he's too good not to start) starting at 12 next year with Laumape as an impact player. At this stage he's too one dimensional. If a team defends well Laumape is ordinary
@winger said in Crusaders v Hurricanes - SF:
@gt12 said in Crusaders v Hurricanes - SF:
@shark said in Crusaders v Hurricanes - SF:
At least last night's game eases the AB midfield 'logjam' with Laumape having by far his worst game of the season. No pressure to select him now.
Agreed. His defense was woeful at times - it’s a real shame because, on attack, I think he has the tools to be awesome at the next level. On defense though, he looks a liability right now.
I would prefer to see Aso (best position looks to be 12 and he's too good not to start) starting at 12 next year with Laumape as an impact player. At this stage he's too one dimensional. If a team defends well Laumape is ordinary
Aso is largely invisible when he's played 12. He had no impact at all when he played there at NPC level. He's got gas and it's best used in the outside channels, similar to Rieko.
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@shark said in Crusaders v Hurricanes - SF:
Laumape reminds me of Sam Tuitupou in many ways. Similarly limited but good enough at what he does well to please people when he’s on.
Sammy T moved well laterally on defence. Laumape can hit hard in the tackle like Tuitupou but struggles with an all round defensive game.
@act-crusader said in Crusaders v Hurricanes - SF:
@shark said in Crusaders v Hurricanes - SF:
Laumape reminds me of Sam Tuitupou in many ways. Similarly limited but good enough at what he does well to please people when he’s on.
Sammy T moved well laterally on defence. Laumape can hit hard in the tackle like Tuitupou but struggles with an all round defensive game.
Laumape's midfield partner was even worse on defense. Jordie missed a fat 7 tackles against the Crusaders.
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@act-crusader said in Crusaders v Hurricanes - SF:
@shark said in Crusaders v Hurricanes - SF:
Laumape reminds me of Sam Tuitupou in many ways. Similarly limited but good enough at what he does well to please people when he’s on.
Sammy T moved well laterally on defence. Laumape can hit hard in the tackle like Tuitupou but struggles with an all round defensive game.
Laumape's midfield partner was even worse on defense. Jordie missed a fat 7 tackles against the Crusaders.
@dice 12/13 are tough positions to defend, and often it is better as a combination builds rather than 1 being a good defender and the other poor, which makes it all the more odd when coaches choose to slot someone in there when they not only havent been playing there to build a combination, but when it isnt thier usual position.
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@act-crusader said in Crusaders v Hurricanes - SF:
@shark said in Crusaders v Hurricanes - SF:
Laumape reminds me of Sam Tuitupou in many ways. Similarly limited but good enough at what he does well to please people when he’s on.
Sammy T moved well laterally on defence. Laumape can hit hard in the tackle like Tuitupou but struggles with an all round defensive game.
Laumape's midfield partner was even worse on defense. Jordie missed a fat 7 tackles against the Crusaders.
@dice said in Crusaders v Hurricanes - SF:
@act-crusader said in Crusaders v Hurricanes - SF:
@shark said in Crusaders v Hurricanes - SF:
Laumape reminds me of Sam Tuitupou in many ways. Similarly limited but good enough at what he does well to please people when he’s on.
Sammy T moved well laterally on defence. Laumape can hit hard in the tackle like Tuitupou but struggles with an all round defensive game.
Laumape's midfield partner was even worse on defense. Jordie missed a fat 7 tackles against the Crusaders.
He needs to chat to Sam W or Brodie about tackling technique as a giraffe. He often goes too high and risks a penalty or is easily stepped/bumped off. He's young so will learn but it's something he should be focusing on right now.
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@winger said in Crusaders v Hurricanes - SF:
@gt12 said in Crusaders v Hurricanes - SF:
@shark said in Crusaders v Hurricanes - SF:
At least last night's game eases the AB midfield 'logjam' with Laumape having by far his worst game of the season. No pressure to select him now.
Agreed. His defense was woeful at times - it’s a real shame because, on attack, I think he has the tools to be awesome at the next level. On defense though, he looks a liability right now.
I would prefer to see Aso (best position looks to be 12 and he's too good not to start) starting at 12 next year with Laumape as an impact player. At this stage he's too one dimensional. If a team defends well Laumape is ordinary
Aso is largely invisible when he's played 12. He had no impact at all when he played there at NPC level. He's got gas and it's best used in the outside channels, similar to Rieko.
@dice said in Crusaders v Hurricanes - SF:
@winger said in Crusaders v Hurricanes - SF:
@gt12 said in Crusaders v Hurricanes - SF:
@shark said in Crusaders v Hurricanes - SF:
At least last night's game eases the AB midfield 'logjam' with Laumape having by far his worst game of the season. No pressure to select him now.
Agreed. His defense was woeful at times - it’s a real shame because, on attack, I think he has the tools to be awesome at the next level. On defense though, he looks a liability right now.
I would prefer to see Aso (best position looks to be 12 and he's too good not to start) starting at 12 next year with Laumape as an impact player. At this stage he's too one dimensional. If a team defends well Laumape is ordinary
Aso is largely invisible when he's played 12. He had no impact at all when he played there at NPC level. He's got gas and it's best used in the outside channels, similar to Rieko.
He was outstanding when he started one game at 12 for the Canes.But like all players they need time to find their feet in a new position. Hes not a center though so 2nd or wing
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@dice 12/13 are tough positions to defend, and often it is better as a combination builds rather than 1 being a good defender and the other poor, which makes it all the more odd when coaches choose to slot someone in there when they not only havent been playing there to build a combination, but when it isnt thier usual position.
@taniwharugby said in Crusaders v Hurricanes - SF:
@dice 12/13 are tough positions to defend, and often it is better as a combination builds rather than 1 being a good defender and the other poor, which makes it all the more odd when coaches choose to slot someone in there when they not only havent been playing there to build a combination, but when it isnt thier usual position.
Jordie isn't a center yet. Goosen should have started there (his defense is usually a strong point) with Jordie at FB but once poor selecting / coaching.
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I must admit, after watching this game, I believe Richie is the answer to the rush defence.
His option taking and passing in tight spaces were brilliant.
@mimic said in Crusaders v Hurricanes - SF:
I must admit, after watching this game, I believe Richie is the answer to the rush defence.
His option taking and passing in tight spaces were brilliant.
Using that game as the complete sample size, I would have him as the ABs starting 10.
BB is a bit of an enigma. Maybe he suits test rugby better than Super somehow.
If Mounga can play like that most of the time and also do so when given a shot in black he would be our best 10. -
@mimic said in Crusaders v Hurricanes - SF:
I must admit, after watching this game, I believe Richie is the answer to the rush defence.
His option taking and passing in tight spaces were brilliant.
Using that game as the complete sample size, I would have him as the ABs starting 10.
BB is a bit of an enigma. Maybe he suits test rugby better than Super somehow.
If Mounga can play like that most of the time and also do so when given a shot in black he would be our best 10.@crucial said in Crusaders v Hurricanes - SF:
If Mounga can play like that most of the time and also do so when given a shot in black he would be our best 10.
That 'if" is doing some mighty heavy carrying.
It needs to be a "because" before he gets to start as AB 10.
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Laumape reminds me of Sam Tuitupou in many ways. Similarly limited but good enough at what he does well to please people when he’s on.
@shark said in Crusaders v Hurricanes - SF:
Laumape reminds me of Sam Tuitupou in many ways. Similarly limited but good enough at what he does well to please people when he’s on.
Saw Sam last year playing club rugby for Coventry. A little larger round the middle, but still runs very punchy lines off the short ball.
Does Laumape have any form with Lions locks? :face_with_tears_of_joy:
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Crusaders
1 Joe Moody
2 Codie Taylor
3 Owen Franks
4 Scott Barrett
5 Sam Whitelock (c)
6 Jordan Taufua
7 Matt Todd (vc)
8 Kieran Read
9 Bryn Hall
10 Richie Mo'unga
11 George Bridge
12 Ryan Crotty (vc)
13 Jack Goodhue
14 Seta Tamanivalu
15 David HaviliReserves
16 Andrew Makalio
17 Tim Perry
18 Michael Alaalatoa
19 Luke Romano
20 Pete Samu
21 Mitchell Drummond
22 Mitchell Hunt
23 Braydon Ennor.
BNZ Crusaders team named for Super Rugby Semi Final against the Hurricanes
The BNZ Crusaders will host the Hurricanes this Saturday night in the Investec Super Rugby Semi Final, from AMI Stadium in Christchurch. Head Coach Scott Robertson has named his team for the match, and there is just one change from the starting XV that took the field against the Sharks in the Quarter Final last weekend. The Crusaders' welcome the return of All Blacks' prop Joe Moody, who has recovered from injury to start at loosehead prop. Fellow All Blacks' front-rower Tim Perry will provide cover on the bench. Robertson said there is no shortage of excitement in camp in the build up to this match: "This game is going to be huge, it doesn't get any bigger than a New Zealand derby match in the knockout stages of Super Rugby. "Everyone who has worn the jersey for us this season has performed so this was the hardest team to name because of the great depth we have in our squad. Joe has worked extremely hard to get back in time for Finals footy, and he joins a powerful forward pack, who are ready for the challenge on Saturday night. "It's always a privilege to play at home, but to host a Semi Final in front of our fans adds another level of anticipation and pride to the mix. Our fans have been right behind us all season and we're excited to once again play for them in this week's Semi Final," Robertson said.I watching the game again and focused on the Cnaes defense. It use to us a strength and now its a weakness
Some of the defensive laps were school-boyish. For example two players grouping together with nil reason too. Savea and Lam were guilty of this
Lam is not a great defender. He is not quick enough other than running straight. But moving quickly to one side. He's hopeless. So give him the ball with the line open or against poor defenders and he's brilliant. But otherwise not up to much.
Savea was Ok-good but blundered once by not staying out instead moving in to help his mate out. Jordie is not a center. I doubt if he ever will be. Either FB or maybe 2nd 5 but he needs to learn the defensive ropes at 2nd. Laumape is great and poor. MS I can't really remember him doing anything bad but not much good either
So Savea was the best of the outside back defensively along with Goosen when he came on. And thats the issue for me. Too many outside backs that are limited defensively. And a good+ defender (Goosen) and a good attacker doens't get to start. Hes a much better option than Jordie at center
The forwards went well. But Shields made a few blunders and missed on easy enough tackle. If he wants to make the England starting team he will have to improve a lot of this front
I'm unsure whats happened to the coaches. they just seem to have (completely) lost the plot. Don't they review the games afterwards. Defense has been an issue for some time
Next years they must have a good defending mid-field. Its essential. BB is good as is Penenara. So Proctor and Goosen are two options. I haven't really watched Aso in this respect. Jordie isn't good enough. He might be one day but not yet. Laumape needs a lot of work on this aspect.
Lam also needs to massively improve. Either do so or they must look at other options. The coaches have been rubbish this year. I thought the attack game plan was dreadful but there are also major issues with the back-line defense. Although to be fair the forward with lots of injuries went well. Maybe the fall out with Boyd leaving created fiction. I hope its this not Plumtree having lost it
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I am watching the game again too and I must say that the Canes scrum was not as bad as some ferners lamented (with one notable occasion though).
Gareth Evans was their best forward while Toby Smith ran hard. Sam Lousi looked tired. Riccitelli as well. Maybe both of them have played too much this year. -
@winger That's one game though.
Aso isn't that good in traffic and that's something he's going to have to deal with at 12. He has size but isn't much of a crash ball guy nor a guy who wins the gain line when he doesn't have space to work with. He reminds me a lot of Romi Ropati, who could also play 12, but did his best work at centre and wing.
It's odd that you say that the Canes need a good defensive midfield, but champion Aso of all people to be in that midfield.
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I am watching the game again too and I must say that the Canes scrum was not as bad as some ferners lamented (with one notable occasion though).
Gareth Evans was their best forward while Toby Smith ran hard. Sam Lousi looked tired. Riccitelli as well. Maybe both of them have played too much this year.@cgrant said in Crusaders v Hurricanes - SF:
I am watching the game again too and I must say that the Canes scrum was not as bad as some ferners lamented (with one notable occasion though).
Gareth Evans was their best forward while Toby Smith ran hard. Sam Lousi looked tired. Riccitelli as well. Maybe both of them have played too much this year.Spot on. Due to Coles' and Aumua's injuries, he has played the most minutes (1,231) of all hookers in the SR competition. The next one is Malcom Marx with 999 minutes, who obviously still has a game to play. That must be the 2nd year in a row for Riccitelli to play that much, considering Coles was also injured during most of the 2017 season and there was no adequate back-up (Apisai was also injured for some time).
Only one frontower has played more than Riccitelli this year; Tom Robertson from the Waratahs with 1,252 minutes.
