AB EOYT 2018
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I think that once Todd made the decision to go, and according to newspaper reports he made a financial decision to do so, then we should be looking elsewhere for this tour as it will give us a chance to build depth. He's been around enough to just be able to slot back in next year.
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@crucial said in AB EOYT 2018:
On another EOYT matter, just had a look at tickets for Rome and there are still plenty available.
If airfares and accom aren't too pricy this could be a weekender.Ooooh, very tempting. I went a couple of years ago and it was excellent. Porchetta sandwiches outside the stadium! Other half wasn't too impressed with them not serving wine though.
@bones said in AB EOYT 2018:
@crucial said in AB EOYT 2018:
On another EOYT matter, just had a look at tickets for Rome and there are still plenty available.
If airfares and accom aren't too pricy this could be a weekender.Ooooh, very tempting. I went a couple of years ago and it was excellent. Porchetta sandwiches outside the stadium! Other half wasn't too impressed with them not serving wine though.
Food and drink delivered to your seat is also hell awesome. Great place to watch and the Italian fans are awesome.
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Sparky's 51 with ages and number of All Blacks Tests.
Tim Perry (30-5)
Joe Moody (30-36)
Karl Tu'inukuafe (25-9)
Owen Franks (30-103)
Nepo Laulala (26-13)
Ofa Tu'ungafasi (26-22)
Jeffery Toomaga-Allen (27-1)Dane Coles (31-56)
Codie Taylor (27-38)
Nathan Harris (26-18)
Liam Coltman (28-3)Luke Romano (32-31)
Sam Whitelock (29-105)
Brodie Retallick (27 -71)
Scott Barrett (24-25)
Patrick Tuipulotu (25-19)
Quentin Strange (22-0)Liam Squire (27-21)
Shannon Frizell (24-4)
Ardie Savea (24-31)
Dillon Hunt (23-0)
Vaea Fifita (26-7)
Jackson Hemopo (24-2)
Dalton Papali'i (20-0)
Luke Whitelock (27-6)
Kieron Read (32-114)
Akira Ioane (23-0)Aaron Smith (29-79)
TJ Perenera (26-31)
Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi (23-1)
Brad Weber (27-1)Beauden Barrett (27-69)
Richie Mo'unga (24-4)
Damien McKenzie (23-19)
Mitchell Hunt (23-0)Ngani Laumape (25-8)
Ryan Crotty (30-40)
Anton Leinert-Brown (23-30)
Jack Goodhue (23-5)
Matt Proctor (25-0)
Sonny Bill Williams (33-49)
Ma'a Nonu (36-103)Reiko Ioane (21-20)
Waisake Naholo (27-24)
Ben Smith (32-73)
Jordie Barrett (21-7)
David Havili (23-5)
Nehe Milner Skudder (27-12)
Vince Aso (23-0)
George Bridge (23-0)
Will Jordan (20-0) -
Replace Jordan with Lam (Jordan too young for the wise men), and Nonu with A N Other and I reckon you're right. Be great for Nonu to make a come back, great story, but he's been grinding boring shite in France for too long now - unless he's one of the non playing 6 just in casers.
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I see Jordan is getting a lot of support - he's always struck me as a bit flaky previously (like McNicholl) and I'm surprised to see him being promoted ahead of Ennor. But I've watched fuck all NPC.
Also surprising to see Proctor roundly being preferred ahead of Thompson.
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Lentjes is smarter than the journo who calls him a ABs contender. It has only been some media that linked him to higher honours. If the ABs coaches select him, I'll seriously question their sanity.
Despite being linked to higher honours, Otago flanker James Lentjes thinks he is a long shot to make the All Blacks' end of year tour squad. -
Sparky's 51 with ages and number of All Blacks Tests.
Tim Perry (30-5)
Joe Moody (30-36)
Karl Tu'inukuafe (25-9)
Owen Franks (30-103)
Nepo Laulala (26-13)
Ofa Tu'ungafasi (26-22)
Jeffery Toomaga-Allen (27-1)Dane Coles (31-56)
Codie Taylor (27-38)
Nathan Harris (26-18)
Liam Coltman (28-3)Luke Romano (32-31)
Sam Whitelock (29-105)
Brodie Retallick (27 -71)
Scott Barrett (24-25)
Patrick Tuipulotu (25-19)
Quentin Strange (22-0)Liam Squire (27-21)
Shannon Frizell (24-4)
Ardie Savea (24-31)
Dillon Hunt (23-0)
Vaea Fifita (26-7)
Jackson Hemopo (24-2)
Dalton Papali'i (20-0)
Luke Whitelock (27-6)
Kieron Read (32-114)
Akira Ioane (23-0)Aaron Smith (29-79)
TJ Perenera (26-31)
Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi (23-1)
Brad Weber (27-1)Beauden Barrett (27-69)
Richie Mo'unga (24-4)
Damien McKenzie (23-19)
Mitchell Hunt (23-0)Ngani Laumape (25-8)
Ryan Crotty (30-40)
Anton Leinert-Brown (23-30)
Jack Goodhue (23-5)
Matt Proctor (25-0)
Sonny Bill Williams (33-49)
Ma'a Nonu (36-103)Reiko Ioane (21-20)
Waisake Naholo (27-24)
Ben Smith (32-73)
Jordie Barrett (21-7)
David Havili (23-5)
Nehe Milner Skudder (27-12)
Vince Aso (23-0)
George Bridge (23-0)
Will Jordan (20-0)@sparky how many medical staff people do reckon they are taking..?
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Sparky's 51 with ages and number of All Blacks Tests.
Tim Perry (30-5)
Joe Moody (30-36)
Karl Tu'inukuafe (25-9)
Owen Franks (30-103)
Nepo Laulala (26-13)
Ofa Tu'ungafasi (26-22)
Jeffery Toomaga-Allen (27-1)Dane Coles (31-56)
Codie Taylor (27-38)
Nathan Harris (26-18)
Liam Coltman (28-3)Luke Romano (32-31)
Sam Whitelock (29-105)
Brodie Retallick (27 -71)
Scott Barrett (24-25)
Patrick Tuipulotu (25-19)
Quentin Strange (22-0)Liam Squire (27-21)
Shannon Frizell (24-4)
Ardie Savea (24-31)
Dillon Hunt (23-0)
Vaea Fifita (26-7)
Jackson Hemopo (24-2)
Dalton Papali'i (20-0)
Luke Whitelock (27-6)
Kieron Read (32-114)
Akira Ioane (23-0)Aaron Smith (29-79)
TJ Perenera (26-31)
Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi (23-1)
Brad Weber (27-1)Beauden Barrett (27-69)
Richie Mo'unga (24-4)
Damien McKenzie (23-19)
Mitchell Hunt (23-0)Ngani Laumape (25-8)
Ryan Crotty (30-40)
Anton Leinert-Brown (23-30)
Jack Goodhue (23-5)
Matt Proctor (25-0)
Sonny Bill Williams (33-49)
Ma'a Nonu (36-103)Reiko Ioane (21-20)
Waisake Naholo (27-24)
Ben Smith (32-73)
Jordie Barrett (21-7)
David Havili (23-5)
Nehe Milner Skudder (27-12)
Vince Aso (23-0)
George Bridge (23-0)
Will Jordan (20-0)@sparky A big question with that selection is that they would have to keep at least five props in Japan - in case someone got injured in the warm-ups.
So of the 10 "Main Squad" players who are staying in Japan, three would be props.
That doesn't seem likely to me. I reckon add Ta'avao and probably a loosehead of your choice.
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@sparky A big question with that selection is that they would have to keep at least five props in Japan - in case someone got injured in the warm-ups.
So of the 10 "Main Squad" players who are staying in Japan, three would be props.
That doesn't seem likely to me. I reckon add Ta'avao and probably a loosehead of your choice.
@chris-b said in AB EOYT 2018:
@sparky A big question with that selection is that they would have to keep at least five props in Japan - in case someone got injured in the warm-ups.
So of the 10 "Main Squad" players who are staying in Japan, three would be props.
That doesn't seem likely to me. I reckon add Ta'avao and probably a loosehead of your choice.
Yep. More props will be needed. A case of any healthy prop that has played super rugby will be in contention.
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From the NZ Herald,The man who handed out the most significant red card in All Blacks' history will take charge of the side's most anticipated test this year.
Referee Jerome Garces, who sent off Sonny Bill Williams last year, will be the man in the middle of the All Blacks' clash against England at Twickenham on November 11.
The Frenchman sent Williams was sent off in the 25th minute of the 24-21 loss to the Lions in Wellington last year, after the All Black second five's shoulder connected with Anthony Watson's head in a tackle attempt.
Williams became just the third All Black to be ordered off the field in 561 matches.
Garces last took charge of an All Blacks' test in Cape Town last year."It's just one of those things that happens in rugby," Williams told media last year before facing Garces in the middle again.
"I've gone back and worked hard on my tackle technique. I feel like I've made steps in the right direction to hopefully not get a red card...maybe a yellow," he joked.
In the other highly anticipated clash next month, English referee Wayne Barnes will take charge of the All Blacks-Ireland test in Dublin a week later.
Ireland sit second behind the All Blacks in the World Rugby rankings.
Irish referee Andrew Bruce will be in charge of the All Blacks' final test of the year against Italy in Rome.
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From the NZ Herald,The man who handed out the most significant red card in All Blacks' history will take charge of the side's most anticipated test this year.
Referee Jerome Garces, who sent off Sonny Bill Williams last year, will be the man in the middle of the All Blacks' clash against England at Twickenham on November 11.
The Frenchman sent Williams was sent off in the 25th minute of the 24-21 loss to the Lions in Wellington last year, after the All Black second five's shoulder connected with Anthony Watson's head in a tackle attempt.
Williams became just the third All Black to be ordered off the field in 561 matches.
Garces last took charge of an All Blacks' test in Cape Town last year."It's just one of those things that happens in rugby," Williams told media last year before facing Garces in the middle again.
"I've gone back and worked hard on my tackle technique. I feel like I've made steps in the right direction to hopefully not get a red card...maybe a yellow," he joked.
In the other highly anticipated clash next month, English referee Wayne Barnes will take charge of the All Blacks-Ireland test in Dublin a week later.
Ireland sit second behind the All Blacks in the World Rugby rankings.
Irish referee Andrew Bruce will be in charge of the All Blacks' final test of the year against Italy in Rome.
@daffy-jaffy I'd struggle to call that a tackle attempt. Easier to see his shoulder made contact with Watson's head in a shoulder charge attempt.
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I have less of an issue with it being the same ref that gave a RC than the fact he just isnt a very good ref.
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Also, Wayne Barnes is controlling the Ireland test.
With those two referees, we're going to do really really well to win both. Garces is French, and just random. Wayne-O is generally good, but then has random brain farts. As long as the fart direction is towards Ireland and not us, we'll survive - otherwise it's all on for young and old.
Going to be an epic couple of weeks, I can't wait. We are blessed with magnificent rugby tests each year, I cannot wait.
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The problem in that test wasn't the red card, SBWs tackling "technique" has always been suss, it was the penalty when the Lions player jumped into a tackle from a pass that grates me. See it all the time with no penalty, but on that occasion...
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Also, Wayne Barnes is controlling the Ireland test.
With those two referees, we're going to do really really well to win both. Garces is French, and just random. Wayne-O is generally good, but then has random brain farts. As long as the fart direction is towards Ireland and not us, we'll survive - otherwise it's all on for young and old.
Going to be an epic couple of weeks, I can't wait. We are blessed with magnificent rugby tests each year, I cannot wait.
@nzzp said in AB EOYT 2018:
Also, Wayne Barnes is controlling the Ireland test.
With those two referees, we're going to do really really well to win both. Garces is French, and just random. Wayne-O is generally good, but then has random brain farts. As long as the fart direction is towards Ireland and not us, we'll survive - otherwise it's all on for young and old.
Going to be an epic couple of weeks, I can't wait. We are blessed with magnificent rugby tests each year, I cannot wait.
If it comes down to the ref then we only have ourselves to blame. In my mind the ref is no excuse for a loss
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The problem in that test wasn't the red card, SBWs tackling "technique" has always been suss, it was the penalty when the Lions player jumped into a tackle from a pass that grates me. See it all the time with no penalty, but on that occasion...
@no-quarter that one was the previous test wasnt it, and Garces was the 'we have a deal' over the off side penalty call at the end of the game, or have I got them wrong way round?
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@nzzp said in AB EOYT 2018:
Also, Wayne Barnes is controlling the Ireland test.
With those two referees, we're going to do really really well to win both. Garces is French, and just random. Wayne-O is generally good, but then has random brain farts. As long as the fart direction is towards Ireland and not us, we'll survive - otherwise it's all on for young and old.
Going to be an epic couple of weeks, I can't wait. We are blessed with magnificent rugby tests each year, I cannot wait.
If it comes down to the ref then we only have ourselves to blame. In my mind the ref is no excuse for a loss
@hooroo said in AB EOYT 2018:
If it comes down to the ref then we only have ourselves to blame. In my mind the ref is no excuse for a loss
Nope, no excuse, but it's like playing away - some refs make winning harder. Before the Lions I had concerns about a bizarre call from one of the Froggies, and so it turned out. Likewise, I'd be stoked if the refs weren't pivotal, but if we get through those two tests without a controversial call, I'll be delighted.
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@no-quarter that one was the previous test wasnt it, and Garces was the 'we have a deal' over the off side penalty call at the end of the game, or have I got them wrong way round?
@taniwharugby said in AB EOYT 2018:
@no-quarter that one was the previous test wasnt it, and Garces was the 'we have a deal' over the off side penalty call at the end of the game, or have I got them wrong way round?
Poite reffed the third test and was the one that made nonsensical deals to avoid having to make a big call. Garces gave the penalty for jumping into the tackle at the end of test 2.
Either way they are much of a muchness. Crazy we had two of the most inconsistent refs in world rugby for tests 2 and 3.
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@taniwharugby said in AB EOYT 2018:
@no-quarter that one was the previous test wasnt it, and Garces was the 'we have a deal' over the off side penalty call at the end of the game, or have I got them wrong way round?
Poite reffed the third test and was the one that made nonsensical deals to avoid having to make a big call. Garces gave the penalty for jumping into the tackle at the end of test 2.
Either way they are much of a muchness. Crazy we had two of the most inconsistent refs in world rugby for tests 2 and 3.
@no-quarter wasnt Poite's TMO Garces?
Yeah those 2 refs are not the best.
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Refs shmefs. Won’t matter. We’ll cane the Paddies by 20.
