Ireland vs All Blacks (2018)
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Keeping your powder dry.
Thought the preferred NZ heritage is Scottish not English.
Get fucked.
Beaten. Deservedly.
Learn or fuck off.
@mikethesnow said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Keeping your powder dry.
Thought the preferred NZ heritage is Scottish not English.
Get fucked.
Beaten. Deservedly.
Learn or fuck off.
I really don’t get this post at all.
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@mikethesnow said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Keeping your powder dry.
Thought the preferred NZ heritage is Scottish not English.
Get fucked.
Beaten. Deservedly.
Learn or fuck off.
I really don’t get this post at all.
@majorrage said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@mikethesnow said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Keeping your powder dry.
Thought the preferred NZ heritage is Scottish not English.
Get fucked.
Beaten. Deservedly.
Learn or fuck off.
I really don’t get this post at all.
IT's quite easy to interpret.
He doesn't think we are keeping our powder dry and even saying so is a very English thing to do, so please go have some action, because we were well beaten, learn from mistakes or please go away.
Does that make it easier
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@majorrage said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@mikethesnow said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Keeping your powder dry.
Thought the preferred NZ heritage is Scottish not English.
Get fucked.
Beaten. Deservedly.
Learn or fuck off.
I really don’t get this post at all.
IT's quite easy to interpret.
He doesn't think we are keeping our powder dry and even saying so is a very English thing to do, so please go have some action, because we were well beaten, learn from mistakes or please go away.
Does that make it easier
@hooroo said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@majorrage said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@mikethesnow said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Keeping your powder dry.
Thought the preferred NZ heritage is Scottish not English.
Get fucked.
Beaten. Deservedly.
Learn or fuck off.
I really don’t get this post at all.
IT's quite easy to interpret.
He doesn't think we are keeping our powder dry and even saying so is a very English thing to do, so please go have some action, because we were well beaten, learn from mistakes or please go away.
Does that make it easier
Less clear, if anything!
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Between the 60th and 70th minute the Irish were out on their feet, and that was our chance. And repeated shit options and panic plays fucked us (Barrett with two of them) and we turned the ball over with the line beckoning.
Then they got to 10 to go, and got a 2nd wind, and, like England last week, were easily the better team over the closing stages.
That last period was definitely not "keeping the powder dry" that was team under pressure who didn't know what to do when stuck in their end. That they got the final break out and had one final attack was a credit to them, but i have never seen ab AN side more clueless than that period in their own 22 leading to Read dropping hte ball from an awful awful Barrett pass.
Actually thinking back, it fucks me off how DMac is viewed as this massive risk of a player, when Barrett is as much of a turnover risk, if not more given the evidence of yesterday morning.
I look at the final score, and the final play, and think "close game" but that is tempered by the Irish getting over the line twice more, and the ABs never actually looking like scoring a try.
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2 weeks in a row getting drop goals after being awarded a penalty in a kickable position. Really don’t get that.
Thought AB defense was outstanding. Unfortunately, Irish was phenomenal. This Irish team is either truly something, or we have turned truly average this year. I think it’s the former.
I’ve never rated Kearney and always thought him shit. So he obviously had a blinder.
Fair play.
@majorrage said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
2 weeks in a row getting drop goals after being awarded a penalty in a kickable position. Really don’t get that.
There's a possibility that it stretches defences for a second man play. If you don't know under pressure if our 10 is going to slot a DG or run it, it opens up space on the field.
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Anyone got an aspirin?
@derm-mccrum said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Anyone got an aspirin?
I recommend ibuprofen and ranitidine
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@majorrage said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
2 weeks in a row getting drop goals after being awarded a penalty in a kickable position. Really don’t get that.
There's a possibility that it stretches defences for a second man play. If you don't know under pressure if our 10 is going to slot a DG or run it, it opens up space on the field.
@nzzp if they know he wont take a DG they dont need to defend it and simply fan out to defend the run, but now they know he can do it, it will make them set up slightly different when in that zone.
Had we won, I dont expect this would have attracted as much debate.
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Between the 60th and 70th minute the Irish were out on their feet, and that was our chance. And repeated shit options and panic plays fucked us (Barrett with two of them) and we turned the ball over with the line beckoning.
Then they got to 10 to go, and got a 2nd wind, and, like England last week, were easily the better team over the closing stages.
That last period was definitely not "keeping the powder dry" that was team under pressure who didn't know what to do when stuck in their end. That they got the final break out and had one final attack was a credit to them, but i have never seen ab AN side more clueless than that period in their own 22 leading to Read dropping hte ball from an awful awful Barrett pass.
Actually thinking back, it fucks me off how DMac is viewed as this massive risk of a player, when Barrett is as much of a turnover risk, if not more given the evidence of yesterday morning.
I look at the final score, and the final play, and think "close game" but that is tempered by the Irish getting over the line twice more, and the ABs never actually looking like scoring a try.
@mariner4life said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Between the 60th and 70th minute the Irish were out on their feet, and that was our chance. And repeated shit options and panic plays fucked us (Barrett with two of them) and we turned the ball over with the line beckoning.
Then they got to 10 to go, and got a 2nd wind, and, like England last week, were easily the better team over the closing stages.
That last period was definitely not "keeping the powder dry" that was team under pressure who didn't know what to do when stuck in their end. That they got the final break out and had one final attack was a credit to them, but i have never seen ab AN side more clueless than that period in their own 22 leading to Read dropping hte ball from an awful awful Barrett pass.
Actually thinking back, it fucks me off how DMac is viewed as this massive risk of a player, when Barrett is as much of a turnover risk, if not more given the evidence of yesterday morning.
I look at the final score, and the final play, and think "close game" but that is tempered by the Irish getting over the line twice more, and the ABs never actually looking like scoring a try.
With 15 to go , I honestly thought here we go , we will run over the top of them , we started to get some ball ,
and its become so customary , you almost take it for granted ,Credit to ireland , they are more composed under pressure than any opposition I can think of for some time , they made us look like the panic merchants , which is something we usually do to Australia
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This has been such a spoilt era for AB fans up until very recently.
Probably a good thing the fern wasn't around in 98-99, I suspect it would have caused a meltdown of Skynet like proportions and Terminators would now be roaming the land.
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@rocky-rockbottom said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
worst part is if Hansen's ego leads to him digging his heels in re;selections/positions, reducing us to just hoping the failures somehow get better instead of proactively rocketing them up the arse.
Hopefully he remembers that the 2011 team and tactics in large part was a response to the 2008/9 Boks. They finally stopped trying to impose a helter-skelter style and admit they had to be able to negate and withstand the box kick first and foremost and becoming more physical in the forwards.
I would prefer he accepts the Ireland/BIL style of game is giving them fits and perhaps select and play accordingly. Our aerial game on defence needs to improve and our kicking game needs to improve - to achieve either it would take a tough personnel decision.
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@mn5 said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Probably a good thing the fern wasn't around in 98-99,
It was. That was about when I started reading crap on here I think.
@snowy said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@mn5 said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Probably a good thing the fern wasn't around in 98-99,
It was. That was about when I started reading crap on here I think.
Really ? wow, in 98-99 all the internet was as far as I knew was something that you dialled up through the phone line and could supposedly look up Porn on.
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@snowy said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@mn5 said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Probably a good thing the fern wasn't around in 98-99,
It was. That was about when I started reading crap on here I think.
Really ? wow, in 98-99 all the internet was as far as I knew was something that you dialled up through the phone line and could supposedly look up Porn on.
@mn5 I found TSF in 1999 via Rivals, although wasnt as much going on, even after losing the RWC semi IIRC.
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@snowy said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@mn5 said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Probably a good thing the fern wasn't around in 98-99,
It was. That was about when I started reading crap on here I think.
Really ? wow, in 98-99 all the internet was as far as I knew was something that you dialled up through the phone line and could supposedly look up Porn on.
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@no-quarter said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Without reading the whole thread I really dislike this idea that we are "keeping the powder dry' for the RWC. It just shits all over the All Blacks legacy. Like really? Another historic loss to Ireland because we want to keep our winning game plan up our sleeve? Fuck that shit, the All Blacks should be playing every game like it's a RWC final - win at all costs. I was really proud of our record against teams like Ireland. These losses really hurt.
yeah, but
Ireland have been seriously good for some time. They should have beaten us in Christchurch a few years ago. They should have beaten us in Dublin in 13. They did beat us in Chicago.
Look, I hate losing as much as the next guy, but I'm more tolerant of losing to a well coached team that plays some rugby and is disciplined. Ireland did that - they got better, took themselves to another level, and play a gameplan that few teams have the discipline and structure to pull off.
As for keeping the powder dry, I hope that Hansen has a plan to unlock the rush that we can dish out next year. If we don't, we're farked. Also: those boys out there today looked tired. Next year the load on them will be a lot less; probably a B side to SA, and not a lot of travel during the pre world cup warmup
@nzzp said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Ireland have been seriously good for some time. They should have beaten us in Christchurch a few years ago. They should have beaten us in Dublin in 13. They did beat us in Chicago.
That win in Chicago was the catalyst for this victory in Dublin. Ireland now has the belief they can win these games, and that is half the battle.
The disappointing thing from an AB perspective is that Ireland played exactly how everyone expected them to so Hansen and co should have had a game plan to counter that.
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@rocky-rockbottom said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
worst part is if Hansen's ego leads to him digging his heels in re;selections/positions, reducing us to just hoping the failures somehow get better instead of proactively rocketing them up the arse.
Hopefully he remembers that the 2011 team and tactics in large part was a response to the 2008/9 Boks. They finally stopped trying to impose a helter-skelter style and admit they had to be able to negate and withstand the box kick first and foremost and becoming more physical in the forwards.
I would prefer he accepts the Ireland/BIL style of game is giving them fits and perhaps select and play accordingly. Our aerial game on defence needs to improve and our kicking game needs to improve - to achieve either it would take a tough personnel decision.
@rotated said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@rocky-rockbottom said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
worst part is if Hansen's ego leads to him digging his heels in re;selections/positions, reducing us to just hoping the failures somehow get better instead of proactively rocketing them up the arse.
Hopefully he remembers that the 2011 team and tactics in large part was a response to the 2008/9 Boks. They finally stopped trying to impose a helter-skelter style and admit they had to be able to negate and withstand the box kick first and foremost and becoming more physical in the forwards.
I would prefer he accepts the Ireland/BIL style of game is giving them fits and perhaps select and play accordingly. Our aerial game on defence needs to improve and our kicking game needs to improve - to achieve either it would take a tough personnel decision.
Do we have anyone that can implement a better kicking game though? Beauden and DMac are erratic, Mo'unga more consistent but still not great (am comparing him to world class players like Carter here). Our midfield can't kick, BFA again not a great kicking game. I don't think we have the personnel - we look much, much better when we keep ball in hand so I think our gameplan really needs to centre around that. Which maybe it will come WC time.
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@mariner4life said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Between the 60th and 70th minute the Irish were out on their feet, and that was our chance. And repeated shit options and panic plays fucked us (Barrett with two of them) and we turned the ball over with the line beckoning.
Then they got to 10 to go, and got a 2nd wind, and, like England last week, were easily the better team over the closing stages.
That last period was definitely not "keeping the powder dry" that was team under pressure who didn't know what to do when stuck in their end. That they got the final break out and had one final attack was a credit to them, but i have never seen ab AN side more clueless than that period in their own 22 leading to Read dropping hte ball from an awful awful Barrett pass.
Actually thinking back, it fucks me off how DMac is viewed as this massive risk of a player, when Barrett is as much of a turnover risk, if not more given the evidence of yesterday morning.
I look at the final score, and the final play, and think "close game" but that is tempered by the Irish getting over the line twice more, and the ABs never actually looking like scoring a try.
With 15 to go , I honestly thought here we go , we will run over the top of them , we started to get some ball ,
and its become so customary , you almost take it for granted ,Credit to ireland , they are more composed under pressure than any opposition I can think of for some time , they made us look like the panic merchants , which is something we usually do to Australia
@kiwiinmelb said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
With 15 to go , I honestly thought here we go , we will run over the top of them , we started to get some ball,
and its become so customary , you almost take it for granted ,Read alluded to the fact that they wanted to up the tempo and use their fitness in the 2nd half but the continual stoppages didn't allow any flow. Good tactics by Ireland if you can get away with it.
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@rotated said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@rocky-rockbottom said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
worst part is if Hansen's ego leads to him digging his heels in re;selections/positions, reducing us to just hoping the failures somehow get better instead of proactively rocketing them up the arse.
Hopefully he remembers that the 2011 team and tactics in large part was a response to the 2008/9 Boks. They finally stopped trying to impose a helter-skelter style and admit they had to be able to negate and withstand the box kick first and foremost and becoming more physical in the forwards.
I would prefer he accepts the Ireland/BIL style of game is giving them fits and perhaps select and play accordingly. Our aerial game on defence needs to improve and our kicking game needs to improve - to achieve either it would take a tough personnel decision.
Do we have anyone that can implement a better kicking game though? Beauden and DMac are erratic, Mo'unga more consistent but still not great (am comparing him to world class players like Carter here). Our midfield can't kick, BFA again not a great kicking game. I don't think we have the personnel - we look much, much better when we keep ball in hand so I think our gameplan really needs to centre around that. Which maybe it will come WC time.
@no-quarter Also, we did so many stupid box kicks/high kicks in the middle of the park at times when we should have been holding the ball. Its play like this that makes me lean towards the keeping the powder dry theory.
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@kiwiinmelb said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
With 15 to go , I honestly thought here we go , we will run over the top of them , we started to get some ball,
and its become so customary , you almost take it for granted ,Read alluded to the fact that they wanted to up the tempo and use their fitness in the 2nd half but the continual stoppages didn't allow any flow. Good tactics by Ireland if you can get away with it.
@bovidae Problem is that the British teams have improved their fitness a lot over the past couple of years. The ABs are no longer able to pile on points against them in the last ten of an international as once they were.
Scotland last year, England and Ireland this year. All matched or bettered the ABs in the last ten minutes.
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@no-quarter Also, we did so many stupid box kicks/high kicks in the middle of the park at times when we should have been holding the ball. Its play like this that makes me lean towards the keeping the powder dry theory.
@nepia I guess the question that should be asked is, did the kicks (all 6,000,000 of them) end up where they were supposed to?
Fox alluded to the kicking game last week saying that against England some of our kicks were going too long or too short, if Ireland anticipated a kicking game and given they were on point, it would exaggerate a poor kicking game?
