Ireland vs All Blacks (2018)
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Haven't watched it, but did they consider Ireland has improved more in the past 12 months than NZ?
@mikethesnow said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Haven't watched it, but did they consider Ireland has improved more in the past 12 months than NZ?
That's way too "macro".
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A young YouTuber by the alias of Stellar created a really top quality VLOG to commemorate the Ireland vs New Zealand game this year. The raw emotion from everyone once they win really drives home how special this win was for Irish fans. It’s also a testament to how good New Zealand are.
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Is this game in danger of being over analysed? Also it's 'Rugbypass' and after their rating system for players I'm unsure if anything they come up with makes any sense.
@nepia I love stats and analysis, and often look at what they have available in American sports and wish we had that level of detail.
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@nepia I love stats and analysis, and often look at what they have available in American sports and wish we had that level of detail.
@taniwharugby said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@nepia I love stats and analysis, and often look at what they have available in American sports and wish we had that level of detail.
Oh me too - but this game seems to be have a bit done to death, which is to be expected given the nature of it.
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@nepia I love stats and analysis, and often look at what they have available in American sports and wish we had that level of detail.
@taniwharugby said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@nepia I love stats and analysis, and often look at what they have available in American sports and wish we had that level of detail.
American sports lend themselves to statistical analysis though, most especially Baseball and Football. Rugby is a far more fluid sport.
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@taniwharugby said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@nepia I love stats and analysis, and often look at what they have available in American sports and wish we had that level of detail.
Oh me too - but this game seems to be have a bit done to death, which is to be expected given the nature of it.
@nepia I guess the rarity of the way we lost has added to the analysis.
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@taniwharugby said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@nepia I love stats and analysis, and often look at what they have available in American sports and wish we had that level of detail.
American sports lend themselves to statistical analysis though, most especially Baseball and Football. Rugby is a far more fluid sport.
@mariner4life the ab coaches and I expect super coaches too have access to much more detailed stats than we see
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@mariner4life said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Oh, and one more, we are kicking a lot, but our kicks are shit. Either 10m too long, or 10m too short. We contest fuck all, just hand the ball back. Barrett, Smith especially, and DMac need to take responsibility for that, it's just not good enough. Our contested kicks used to be the weapon that got us out of our end, now they just invite endless pressure.
And what is with the mealy mid-range nothing kick offs we can't contest, or that force them back in to the corner?
Was at the game, and may be getting senile, but I had the strongest feeling ABs were holding things back. None of the kick offs were contested in the way we know they can be. Back moves very vanilla until Ioane lineout one, which was timed beautifully.
Difficult to beat Irish with a few tired/rusty (Whitelock/Read/BBBR) and one arm behind our back.
For me we were the better team in second spell, but lost it 7-3. And when the ABs started to get serious (you could see the difference from the stands) after the Irish try, the Irish were just hanging on. Another 10 mins and it would have been ours.
Hard to be a Kiwi amongst 80,000 Micks, though (as generous as they were)!
@pakman said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@mariner4life said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Oh, and one more, we are kicking a lot, but our kicks are shit. Either 10m too long, or 10m too short. We contest fuck all, just hand the ball back. Barrett, Smith especially, and DMac need to take responsibility for that, it's just not good enough. Our contested kicks used to be the weapon that got us out of our end, now they just invite endless pressure.
And what is with the mealy mid-range nothing kick offs we can't contest, or that force them back in to the corner?
Was at the game, and may be getting senile, but I had the strongest feeling ABs were holding things back. None of the kick offs were contested in the way we know they can be. Back moves very vanilla until Ioane lineout one, which was timed beautifully.
Difficult to beat Irish with a few tired/rusty (Whitelock/Read/BBBR) and one arm behind our back.
For me we were the better team in second spell, but lost it 7-3. And when the ABs started to get serious (you could see the difference from the stands) after the Irish try, the Irish were just hanging on. Another 10 mins and it would have been ours.
Hard to be a Kiwi amongst 80,000 Micks, though (as generous as they were)!
A year on seems safe to conclude a lot of powder was safely locked away.
Ioane move pure decoy knowing he wouldn't be playing in 2019!
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It's a fine line between resting players and 'keeping powder dry' to just playing friendlies between world cups.
I just wish the All Blacks tried their best to win every game but maybe that's not commercially viable anymore. Have we seen shift to winning every game "if we can" as long as it will provide us a better chance of winning the world cup.
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My guess is that they used those games to test different scenarios and game plans. I’m not sure that it’s ‘trying’ or ‘allowing’ a loss as much as refining strategies - which often don’t work out and losses happen. Having said that, we were one dropped ball away from probably winning that game anyway.
I’m certainly hoping that they’ve got plenty of plans for tonight against the Poms.
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My guess is that they used those games to test different scenarios and game plans. I’m not sure that it’s ‘trying’ or ‘allowing’ a loss as much as refining strategies - which often don’t work out and losses happen. Having said that, we were one dropped ball away from probably winning that game anyway.
I’m certainly hoping that they’ve got plenty of plans for tonight against the Poms.
@gt12 said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
My guess is that they used those games to test different scenarios and game plans. I’m not sure that it’s ‘trying’ or ‘allowing’ a loss as much as refining strategies - which often don’t work out and losses happen. Having said that, we were one dropped ball away from probably winning that game anyway.
I’m certainly hoping that they’ve got plenty of plans for tonight against the Poms.
This is exactly what I thought. Hansen has been using tests over the last year as live fire exercises. The plan has slowly come together in front of our eyes in plain sight. And no one expected it to be a rugby revolution. All that remains is to execute the plan with the required accuracy
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Are we really that full of ourselves that we are going to claim dry powder every game we lose? We got beaten up in Chicago with some poor selections, and we got beaten up in Dublin after a very tough match vs the poms a week before and at the end of a long season.
The Chicago one we took lightly, but the Dublin match was one we were very much targeting to win. -
Are we really that full of ourselves that we are going to claim dry powder every game we lose? We got beaten up in Chicago with some poor selections, and we got beaten up in Dublin after a very tough match vs the poms a week before and at the end of a long season.
The Chicago one we took lightly, but the Dublin match was one we were very much targeting to win.@reprobate if we win the cup, that Dublin match might be looked upon as a monumental moment. The irish beat us well and maybe it forced a tactical rethink
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No team goes onto the field wanting to lose but Schmidt mentioned that Ireland used this year's 6N to try different things looking ahead to the RWC. OK, you can argue it didn't work for them, but international coaches only have so many games to tweak tactics and gameplans before a RWC.
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Are we really that full of ourselves that we are going to claim dry powder every game we lose? We got beaten up in Chicago with some poor selections, and we got beaten up in Dublin after a very tough match vs the poms a week before and at the end of a long season.
The Chicago one we took lightly, but the Dublin match was one we were very much targeting to win.@reprobate said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Are we really that full of ourselves that we are going to claim dry powder every game we lose? We got beaten up in Chicago with some poor selections, and we got beaten up in Dublin after a very tough match vs the poms a week before and at the end of a long season.
The Chicago one we took lightly, but the Dublin match was one we were very much targeting to win.Dublin we got beaten fair and square, and well played Ireland.
That said, I am arrogant enough to think we played uncharacteristically poorly, and with a very limited game plan. The 1014 thought so too - excellent play by Ireland, but unusually poor from NZ (
). At the time there was much gnashing of teeth, but also a lot of congratulations to Ireland,a nd recognition of what they did well - shut us down completely -
It's a fine line between resting players and 'keeping powder dry' to just playing friendlies between world cups.
I just wish the All Blacks tried their best to win every game but maybe that's not commercially viable anymore. Have we seen shift to winning every game "if we can" as long as it will provide us a better chance of winning the world cup.
@Toddy said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
It's a fine line between resting players and 'keeping powder dry' to just playing friendlies between world cups.
I just wish the All Blacks tried their best to win every game but maybe that's not commercially viable anymore. Have we seen shift to winning every game "if we can" as long as it will provide us a better chance of winning the world cup.
Yeah you've got to adapt and be ahead of the game these days eh, you can't just throw out 15 ace rugby players and smoke the oppo. So there's going to be "experimentation" in tests.
