Ireland vs All Blacks (2018)
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Imagine if Meg had a decent pass?
He's not even the best AB halfback to come out of Canterbury. No, not Bruce Deans but Bachop.
@bovidae said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Imagine if Meg had a decent pass?
He's not even the best AB halfback to come out of Canterbury. No, not Bruce Deans but Bachop.
Can't remember Bachop playing 80 odd games.
But facts don't matter with opinions huh?
Marshall pass wasn't the liability that Smith's defence is against a decent forward pack. Smith was poor against the books last 2 games, just not up to the physicality.
Both are great players but Marshall had less limitations, scored more tries (24 - 16), kicked better and never cried on telly
For sure Smith has a better pass but apart from recency bias, name one other attribute he is distinctly better than Marsh at?
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@machpants Don't know what Foster hopes to gain from criticising Aki for doing what was best for his career when Foster didn't pick him for higher honours.
@sparky said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@machpants Don't know what Foster hopes to gain from criticising Aki for doing what was best for his career when Foster didn't pick him for higher honours.
Ermmm... What exactly was the criticism? Being Irish?
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@bovidae said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Imagine if Meg had a decent pass?
He's not even the best AB halfback to come out of Canterbury. No, not Bruce Deans but Bachop.
Can't remember Bachop playing 80 odd games.
But facts don't matter with opinions huh?
Marshall pass wasn't the liability that Smith's defence is against a decent forward pack. Smith was poor against the books last 2 games, just not up to the physicality.
Both are great players but Marshall had less limitations, scored more tries (24 - 16), kicked better and never cried on telly
For sure Smith has a better pass but apart from recency bias, name one other attribute he is distinctly better than Marsh at?
@siam said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@bovidae said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Imagine if Meg had a decent pass?
He's not even the best AB halfback to come out of Canterbury. No, not Bruce Deans but Bachop.
Can't remember Bachop playing 80 odd games.
But facts don't matter with opinions huh?
Marshall pass wasn't the liability that Smith's defence is against a decent forward pack. Smith was poor against the books last 2 games, just not up to the physicality.
Both are great players but Marshall had less limitations, scored more tries (24 - 16), kicked better and never cried on telly
For sure Smith has a better pass but apart from recency bias, name one other attribute he is distinctly better than Marsh at?
Until he started commentating, I couldn't hate Marshy because, during those dark years between 1998 and 2003, he was often the only guy on our team who looked like he wanted to win and was prepared to do something about it.
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@bovidae said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Imagine if Meg had a decent pass?
He's not even the best AB halfback to come out of Canterbury. No, not Bruce Deans but Bachop.
Can't remember Bachop playing 80 odd games.
But facts don't matter with opinions huh?
Marshall pass wasn't the liability that Smith's defence is against a decent forward pack. Smith was poor against the books last 2 games, just not up to the physicality.
Both are great players but Marshall had less limitations, scored more tries (24 - 16), kicked better and never cried on telly
For sure Smith has a better pass but apart from recency bias, name one other attribute he is distinctly better than Marsh at?
@siam having an average passing 9 is like an average throwing 2...we had both during the same period IIRC.
I thought Marshall was a very good 9, in fact I modelled my game at 9 around his...I got moved to 6
I wish he would stick to writing about rugby where he is good and move away from the commentating.
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@siam having an average passing 9 is like an average throwing 2...we had both during the same period IIRC.
I thought Marshall was a very good 9, in fact I modelled my game at 9 around his...I got moved to 6
I wish he would stick to writing about rugby where he is good and move away from the commentating.
@taniwharugby said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@siam having an average passing 9 is like an average throwing 2...we had both during the same period IIRC.
I thought Marshall was a very good 9, in fact I modelled my game at 9 around his...I got moved to 6
TJP reminds me a bit of Marshy - a good rugby player, with a great rugby brain, but technically deficient (almost critically so).
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@siam having an average passing 9 is like an average throwing 2...we had both during the same period IIRC.
I thought Marshall was a very good 9, in fact I modelled my game at 9 around his...I got moved to 6
I wish he would stick to writing about rugby where he is good and move away from the commentating.
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@taniwharugby not it's not. A halfbacks slow pass isn't an automatic turnover. Poor comparison.
@siam poor line out throwing isn't an automatic turnover...it can just be messy as fuck and slow shit down.
I stand by the comparison and my opinion...didnt you say something earlier about differing opinions?
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off the top of my head , I think Marshall was the best wet weather halfback I have seen in Black
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@siam said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Anybody conflating Marshalls commentary with his rugby playing ability is a retard
I'm not sure if anyone is doing that. I'm simply saying that I couldn't hate him because he was a decent rugby player - with a big ticker - but now I can because he's a shit commentator.
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Attributes: kicking, similar. Pass smith , tackle marsh, tidying up around ruck, marsh, tries scored marsh, speed smith, see (tries scored), anything physical marsh, communication no one on here can know.
What have I left out?
@siam said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Attributes: kicking, similar. Pass smith , tackle marsh, tidying up around ruck, marsh, tries scored marsh, speed smith, see (tries scored), anything physical marsh, communication no one on here can know.
What have I left out?
Winning?
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Attributes: kicking, similar. Pass smith , tackle marsh, tidying up around ruck, marsh, tries scored marsh, speed smith, see (tries scored), anything physical marsh, communication no one on here can know.
What have I left out?
@siam said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Attributes: kicking, similar. Pass smith , tackle marsh, tidying up around ruck, marsh, tries scored marsh, speed smith, see (tries scored), anything physical marsh, communication no one on here can know.
What have I left out?
Toilet Shenanigans
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@siam said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Anybody conflating Marshalls commentary with his rugby playing ability is a retard
I'm not sure if anyone is doing that. I'm simply saying that I couldn't hate him because he was a decent rugby player - with a big ticker - but now I can because he's a shit commentator.
@junior said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@siam said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Anybody conflating Marshalls commentary with his rugby playing ability is a retard
I'm not sure if anyone is doing that. I'm simply saying that I couldn't hate him because he was a decent rugby player - with a big ticker - but now I can because he's a shit commentator.
I'm certain no one said that, it was simply a statement from me, an incredibly true statement, I'm sure you'd agree
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@siam said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Attributes: kicking, similar. Pass smith , tackle marsh, tidying up around ruck, marsh, tries scored marsh, speed smith, see (tries scored), anything physical marsh, communication no one on here can know.
What have I left out?
Winning?
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Attributes: kicking, similar. Pass smith , tackle marsh, tidying up around ruck, marsh, tries scored marsh, speed smith, see (tries scored), anything physical marsh, communication no one on here can know.
What have I left out?
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@junior I can't attribute our wins solely to Aaron so confidentally, I suspect team mates and opposition had some influence on results
@siam said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@junior I can't attribute our wins solely to Aaron so confidentally, I suspect team mates and opposition had some influence on results
It counts, but it's relative importance is subjective. Fact is, his passing ability alone has allowed the team to play very differently on attack, with a great deal of success. I personally think that a lot of our forwards' great "ball-handling ability" is down to the extra time they get due to the speed and accuracy of his pass.
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@siam said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@junior I can't attribute our wins solely to Aaron so confidentally, I suspect team mates and opposition had some influence on results
It counts, but it's relative importance is subjective. Fact is, his passing ability alone has allowed the team to play very differently on attack, with a great deal of success. I personally think that a lot of our forwards' great "ball-handling ability" is down to the extra time they get due to the speed and accuracy of his pass.
@junior yeah, it's all well and good to attribute "wins" to one or the other in certain areas, but you'd have to factor in the degree of the "win" and it's relevance, as well as the effect on the team.
Smith is so much better at passing it's not funny. He's a better kicker too, it's not even. The half back isn't there to be physical for the most part, so how relevant is that?
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@siam having an average passing 9 is like an average throwing 2...we had both during the same period IIRC.
I thought Marshall was a very good 9, in fact I modelled my game at 9 around his...I got moved to 6
I wish he would stick to writing about rugby where he is good and move away from the commentating.
@taniwharugby said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@siam having an average passing 9 is like an average throwing 2...we had both during the same period IIRC.
I thought Marshall was a very good 9, in fact I modelled my game at 9 around his...I got moved to 6
I wish he would stick to writing about rugby where he is good and move away from the commentating.
Yeah it’s best we don’t compare the literacy of the two . After David ffs .
