Ireland vs All Blacks (2018)
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Those 1014 lads give Owen Franks an easy time, stating that the ABs look for something else in there TH prop, which they clearly don't have the numbers for, because as you go through it you see no carries, consistent 2 missed tackles per 80 minutes, and a much lower tackle percentage. Is our scrum that good? Is the that good of a cleaner?
Interesting how they point out some of the difficulties for us in the midfield.
@gt12 said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Those 1014 lads give Owen Franks an easy time, stating that the ABs look for something else in there TH prop, which they clearly don't have the numbers for, because as you go through it you see no carries, consistent 2 missed tackles per 80 minutes, and a much lower tackle percentage. Is our scrum that good? Is the that good of a cleaner?
Interesting how they point out some of the difficulties for us in the midfield.
I think Franks is rated on his handling skills and playmaking in those pods. I have no evidence to support that but it is all I can think of.
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@gt12 said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Those 1014 lads give Owen Franks an easy time, stating that the ABs look for something else in there TH prop, which they clearly don't have the numbers for, because as you go through it you see no carries, consistent 2 missed tackles per 80 minutes, and a much lower tackle percentage. Is our scrum that good? Is the that good of a cleaner?
Interesting how they point out some of the difficulties for us in the midfield.
I think Franks is rated on his handling skills and playmaking in those pods. I have no evidence to support that but it is all I can think of.
It could be that, and I'm not having a go at you at all, but if so why the fuck did we get rid of Charlie Faimuina? As a runner, passer, and pretty much any kind of athlete, he was superior, plus his scrummaging was catching up and certainly at international level as a starter. I get that due to their ages, we had to commit to one, but I can't help but feel that during the last two years the ABs would have been been if Charlie stayed and Owen cashed out.
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It could be that, and I'm not having a go at you at all, but if so why the fuck did we get rid of Charlie Faimuina? As a runner, passer, and pretty much any kind of athlete, he was superior, plus his scrummaging was catching up and certainly at international level as a starter. I get that due to their ages, we had to commit to one, but I can't help but feel that during the last two years the ABs would have been been if Charlie stayed and Owen cashed out.
@gt12 said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
It could be that, and I'm not having a go at you at all, but if so why the fuck did we get rid of Charlie Faimuina? As a runner, passer, and pretty much any kind of athlete, he was superior, plus his scrummaging was catching up and certainly at international level as a starter. I get that due to their ages, we had to commit to one, but I can't help but feel that during the last two years the ABs would have been been if Charlie stayed and Owen cashed out.
I agree. I have been baffled by Franks continued high standing with the selectors. From my eye it looks like a case of 'trains like Tarzan, plays like Jane'.
Charlie would have been great to hold on to but I tend to remember that the opportunity for his family was slightly bigger than the jersey and Franks wouldn't have been ditched immediately anyway. -
Those 1014 lads give Owen Franks an easy time, stating that the ABs look for something else in there TH prop, which they clearly don't have the numbers for, because as you go through it you see no carries, consistent 2 missed tackles per 80 minutes, and a much lower tackle percentage. Is our scrum that good? Is the that good of a cleaner?
Interesting how they point out some of the difficulties for us in the midfield.
@gt12 so he misses 1 tackle a game then. That’s hardly a sackable offence. There is a sting in how he hits rucks and is a nuisance in slowing ball. His tight play has allowed other props to flourish that are more ball running inclined. He is a key lifter at lineout time and his hands are superb when he is used to catch flat bullets from Smith.
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NZ have been blessed with half backs with an outstanding pass. Loveridge, Donaldson, Bachop and now Smith. Australia were fine too with Hipwell (he did impress me when I was a young kid and was my model when I began to play half back), Farr-Jones and Gregan.
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@gt12 so he misses 1 tackle a game then. That’s hardly a sackable offence. There is a sting in how he hits rucks and is a nuisance in slowing ball. His tight play has allowed other props to flourish that are more ball running inclined. He is a key lifter at lineout time and his hands are superb when he is used to catch flat bullets from Smith.
Thought that would send off the bat sign.
Lately (i.e., last five or 6 games), it's pretty much always two actual missed tackles, and I wonder if that is because he is getting tired?
He did well against Australia, but less well against the French. Overall, I have him at about 78% success for this year, and 1.9 missed tackles over 80 minutes across 10 matches - including the three matches where he missed none. Source: ESPN stats
vs England, 44 minutes, made 6, missed 2 (75%, 3.6 for 80 minutes)
vs Australia (Tokyo), 52 minutes, made 5, missed 2 (71%, 3.1 for 80 minutes)
vs SA (in SA), 45 minutes, made 9, missed 2 (82%, 3.6 for 80 minutes)
vs SA (Wellington), 48 minutes, made 2, missed 1 (66%, 1.7 for 80 minutes)
vs Argentina (Nelson), 46 minutes, made 3, missed 2 (60%, 3.5 for 80 minutes)
vs Aus (Auckland), 51 minutes, made 11, missed 0 (100%, 0 for 80 minutes)
vs Aus (Sydney), 58 minutes, made 8, missed 0 (100%, 0 for 80 minutes)
vs France (Dunedin), 45 minutes, made 10, missed 2 (83%, 3.6 for 80 minutes)
vs France (Wellington), 33 minutes, made 3, missed 3 (50%, 7.3 for 80 minutes)
vs France (Auckland), 57 minutes, made 5, missed 0 (100%, 0 for 80 minutes) -
Something that may be a positive for Franks, is that for some reason he still draws tacklers, even though he pretty much goes to ground before he even reaches them. With nothing to back this up - it's pretty rare to turnover from a Franks carry and I'd say it's often quick ball (obviously goes hand-in-hand with a negative or zero metres carry).
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Something that may be a positive for Franks, is that for some reason he still draws tacklers, even though he pretty much goes to ground before he even reaches them. With nothing to back this up - it's pretty rare to turnover from a Franks carry and I'd say it's often quick ball (obviously goes hand-in-hand with a negative or zero metres carry).
Could be? These turnovers aren't necessarily from carries, but ESPN says:
vs England, 44 minutes, 4 runs, 1 metres, 0 turnovers
vs Australia (Tokyo), 52 minutes, 4 runs, 0 metres, 0 turnovers
vs SA (in SA), 45 minutes, 0 runs, 0 metres, 0 turnovers
vs SA (Wellington), 48 minutes, 3 runs, 0 metres, 0 turnovers
vs Argentina (Nelson), 46 minutes, 7 runs, 3 metres, 1 turnovers
vs Aus (Auckland), 51 minutes, 4 runs, 1 metres, 0 turnovers
vs Aus (Sydney), 58 minutes, 3 runs, 0 metres, 1 turnovers
vs France (Dunedin), 45 minutes, 3 runs, 2 metres, 0 turnovers
vs France (Wellington), 33 minutes, 4 runs, 3 metres, 1 turnover
vs France (Auckland), 57 minutes, 4 runs, 0 metres, 0 turnoversWe all know he's not much of a ball runner.
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Could be? These turnovers aren't necessarily from carries, but ESPN says:
vs England, 44 minutes, 4 runs, 1 metres, 0 turnovers
vs Australia (Tokyo), 52 minutes, 4 runs, 0 metres, 0 turnovers
vs SA (in SA), 45 minutes, 0 runs, 0 metres, 0 turnovers
vs SA (Wellington), 48 minutes, 3 runs, 0 metres, 0 turnovers
vs Argentina (Nelson), 46 minutes, 7 runs, 3 metres, 1 turnovers
vs Aus (Auckland), 51 minutes, 4 runs, 1 metres, 0 turnovers
vs Aus (Sydney), 58 minutes, 3 runs, 0 metres, 1 turnovers
vs France (Dunedin), 45 minutes, 3 runs, 2 metres, 0 turnovers
vs France (Wellington), 33 minutes, 4 runs, 3 metres, 1 turnover
vs France (Auckland), 57 minutes, 4 runs, 0 metres, 0 turnoversWe all know he's not much of a ball runner.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@mn5 said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Joe Stanley was the big hard midfielder of that era and was under 90kg if I recall correctly.
Just makes me realise how much the AB selectors missed a trick by not picking Marty 'Chuck' Berry. He woulda absolutely dominated.
According to his stats, he was 83kg. That's probably lighter than Andrew Mehrtens.
That’s not saying much.Have you seen Mehrtens lately?
He was at the cafe when I had breakfast with Joe Moody , Jerome Kaino , Damien McKenzie and Liam Squire . Mehrts defence was always a bit suspect but he can tackle any buffet by the looks of him. -
Saw Fitzy on Saturday. Looked fit enough to carry Mehrts under one arm to said buffet without breaking sweat.
@victor-meldrew said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Saw Fitzy on Saturday. Looked fit enough to carry Mehrts under one arm to said buffet without breaking sweat.
Did you ask him out for breakfast? Just seeing him doesn't count.
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Marshall had the ability to take a game by the scruff of the neck in a way other halfbacks couldn't, aside from maybe Weepu. From memory the 2003 RWC game against Wales. There's a lot to admire about that, but it's an easy vote for Smith for me. He makes the rest of the team play better, which is what I consider to be the halfback's key role.
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@ACT-Crusader and @gt12 I think one of Owen's extra roles is to carry the aura!! But more seriously I think he does have some intimidation factor around scrummaging and ruck clean outs etc. Plus every now again he REALLY tags people in the tackle.
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@booboo said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Isn't Marshall the losingest All Black? More losses than any other?
I think he is. 19 losses in 81 tests. Edit: Mehrts also had 19 test losses but in 70 tests.
@Paekakboyz Randell had 14 losses in 51 tests.
@bovidae said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@booboo said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Isn't Marshall the losingest All Black? More losses than any other?
I think he is. 19 losses in 81 tests. Edit: Mehrts also had 19 test losses but in 70 tests.
@Paekakboyz Randell had 14 losses in 51 tests.
Randall could also only do two chin ups at Highlanders training. This is less than @Rocky-Rock-Rockbottom rock and @NTA
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@booboo said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Isn't Marshall the losingest All Black? More losses than any other?
I think he is. 19 losses in 81 tests. Edit: Mehrts also had 19 test losses but in 70 tests.
@Paekakboyz Randell had 14 losses in 51 tests.
@bovidae said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@booboo said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Isn't Marshall the losingest All Black? More losses than any other?
I think he is. 19 losses in 81 tests. Edit: Mehrts also had 19 test losses but in 70 tests.
@Paekakboyz Randell had 14 losses in 51 tests.
The men in mustard were in their prime back then, which had plenty to do with those stats.
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@hooroo said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Man this thread has become 'fern-retarded'
Marshall v Smith? Good grief!
Says the guy living every young girls childhood dream, go tend to your ponies.
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@hooroo said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Man this thread has become 'fern-retarded'
Marshall v Smith? Good grief!
Says the guy living every young girls childhood dream, go tend to your ponies.
@bones said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@hooroo said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Man this thread has become 'fern-retarded'
Marshall v Smith? Good grief!
Says the guy living every young girls childhood dream, go tend to your ponies.
I don't get the reference to your post and fern-retarded?
