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Bledisloe #2

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  • Daffy JaffyD Offline
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    Daffy Jaffy
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    #198

    This could be a fun watch unless you are prone to motion sickness.

    Sky Sport has announced an alternative way of watching the Black Ferns and the All Blacks play this Saturday - a live dedicated Spidercam channel.

    The Spidercam, a camera that Sky says offers a "gravity-defying" experience, will offer fans a new way of following this weekend's double header.

    "Spidercam provides our viewers with some incredible footage so we've decided to make this camera feed available to Sky Sport rugby fans for these two test matches," said Sky's head of sport production Brian Hitchcock.

    "For us, it's about innovating and providing the best possible viewing experience to our customers."

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    • ChrisC Chris

      2 things stand out they are determined to stick with the BB and RM starting combo
      And the twin open sides in Ardie and Sam
      Points to trying to play the game at extreme pace with Todd on the bench again 3 open sides in the 23.

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      #199

      @Chris said in Bledisloe #2:

      2 things stand out they are determined to stick with the BB and RM starting combo
      And the twin open sides in Ardie and Sam
      Points to trying to play the game at extreme pace with Todd on the bench again 3 open sides in the 23.

      Based on first half rewatch RM was fine on Saturday, and BB mixture, so no problem with Beau'unga.

      Laulala is good at scrumtime (only three in first half) and more mobile than Owen, so makes sense. Bigger issue is that Ofa on bench at LH will probably struggle bigtime with Tupou who is six inches shorter. Need Moli or Karl T in RWC squad.

      Cane/Savea is predictable, given TWM's obstinence, but nether has the instincts of an enforcer to punish/discourage jaywalking around rucks/scrums/etc.. That concerns me. Also Todd on bench seems waste. SOS Squire?

      Not sure what quite to make of Reece/Jordie. Rieko was fine on Saturday, even though Benda off pace. On balance, I imagine they felt need to test Reece at top level. Maybe between him and Jordie for 14 backup?

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      • rotatedR Offline
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        #200

        Who would have picked a top XV with everyone fully fit that wouldn't include Smith or Jordie.

        If they dump Ben Smith a month out from the RWC from the XV after preaching experience, experience, experience all cycle at the expense of having a full look at other options then they may as well give it away.

        The only way it makes sense if Smith is carrying a niggle and they've made the judgement that Smith at 80% isn't good enough anymore - which is reasonable. But if that were the case I doubt they would have risked him last week with RWC looming.

        Surely Smith is the type of player who doesn't need to be "sent a message".

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        • rotatedR Offline
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          Also, there is nothing wrong with moving on from an old stalwart on the eve of a RWC, for some it can just be a bridge too far; a similar thing happened with Mils in 2011. If Hansen and co have made the judgement that Smith's 10 year career is in it's twilight and he isn't starting calibre anymore then I have to trust their judgement. They aren't going to play favourites and won't pick players on past glories when their form is waning.

          Oh and welcome back SBW.

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          • rotatedR rotated

            Who would have picked a top XV with everyone fully fit that wouldn't include Smith or Jordie.

            If they dump Ben Smith a month out from the RWC from the XV after preaching experience, experience, experience all cycle at the expense of having a full look at other options then they may as well give it away.

            The only way it makes sense if Smith is carrying a niggle and they've made the judgement that Smith at 80% isn't good enough anymore - which is reasonable. But if that were the case I doubt they would have risked him last week with RWC looming.

            Surely Smith is the type of player who doesn't need to be "sent a message".

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            @rotated said in Bledisloe #2:

            Who would have picked a top XV with everyone fully fit that wouldn't include Smith or Jordie.

            If they dump Ben Smith a month out from the RWC from the XV after preaching experience, experience, experience all cycle at the expense of having a full look at other options then they may as well give it away.

            The only way it makes sense if Smith is carrying a niggle and they've made the judgement that Smith at 80% isn't good enough anymore - which is reasonable. But if that were the case I doubt they would have risked him last week with RWC looming.

            Surely Smith is the type of player who doesn't need to be "sent a message".

            Will be interesting to find out if injuries a factor -- Franks for example.

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            • rotatedR rotated

              Also, there is nothing wrong with moving on from an old stalwart on the eve of a RWC, for some it can just be a bridge too far; a similar thing happened with Mils in 2011. If Hansen and co have made the judgement that Smith's 10 year career is in it's twilight and he isn't starting calibre anymore then I have to trust their judgement. They aren't going to play favourites and won't pick players on past glories when their form is waning.

              Oh and welcome back SBW.

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              #203

              @rotated said in Bledisloe #2:

              Oh and welcome back SBW.

              Yep. We def. need physicality, off-loading, ball skills, discipline, leadership,. ball retention and rugby nous in the midfield.

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              • Daffy JaffyD Offline
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                Daffy Jaffy
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                #204

                SouthernMann had the good oil!

                1. Joe Moody (39)

                2. Dane Coles (63)

                3. Nepo Laulala (18)

                4. Patrick Tuipulotu (23)

                5. Samuel Whitelock (110)

                6. Ardie Savea (37)

                7. Sam Cane (62)

                8. Kieran Read - captain (120)

                9. Aaron Smith (85)

                10. Richie Mo’unga (11)

                11. George Bridge (3)

                12. Sonny Bill Williams (52)

                13. Anton Lienert-Brown (36)

                14. Sevu Reece (1)

                15. Beauden Barrett (76)

                16. Codie Taylor (43)

                17. Ofa Tuungafasi (28)

                18. Angus Ta’avao (6)

                19. Jackson Hemopo (4)

                20. Matt Todd (19)

                21. TJ Perenara (57)

                22. Ngani Laumape (12)

                23. Jordie Barrett (10)

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                  #205

                  Shag says they know what Benda, Rieko and Owen can do and wanted to see if Nepo, Reece and Bridge have what it takes.
                  Suspect that if Ofa were to handle Tupou (unlikely) they'd be moving towards him as second loosehead for RWC.

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                  • StargazerS Offline
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                    #206

                    Here's the media release (incl video):

                    http://www.allblacks.com/News/34546/all-blacks-team-named-for-bledisloe-cup-decider

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                    • rotatedR rotated

                      Who would have picked a top XV with everyone fully fit that wouldn't include Smith or Jordie.

                      If they dump Ben Smith a month out from the RWC from the XV after preaching experience, experience, experience all cycle at the expense of having a full look at other options then they may as well give it away.

                      The only way it makes sense if Smith is carrying a niggle and they've made the judgement that Smith at 80% isn't good enough anymore - which is reasonable. But if that were the case I doubt they would have risked him last week with RWC looming.

                      Surely Smith is the type of player who doesn't need to be "sent a message".

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                      #207

                      @rotated said in Bledisloe #2:

                      Surely Smith is the type of player who doesn't need to be "sent a message".

                      I don’t know that they are sending a message. Certainly not to him; tho’ possibly a message to others. They already know what they have with him — a senior leader, one of the world’s most experienced rugby players. I suspect they’re resting him and bleeding a couple newbies before the WC, possibly to give them some pressure minutes in a black jersey, possibly to help the selectors. They’re unlikely to learn anything they don’t already know about Ben. They want to nurse his knee, and he hasn’t been sharp for a while. My take anyway.

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                      • Daffy JaffyD Daffy Jaffy

                        SouthernMann had the good oil!

                        1. Joe Moody (39)

                        2. Dane Coles (63)

                        3. Nepo Laulala (18)

                        4. Patrick Tuipulotu (23)

                        5. Samuel Whitelock (110)

                        6. Ardie Savea (37)

                        7. Sam Cane (62)

                        8. Kieran Read - captain (120)

                        9. Aaron Smith (85)

                        10. Richie Mo’unga (11)

                        11. George Bridge (3)

                        12. Sonny Bill Williams (52)

                        13. Anton Lienert-Brown (36)

                        14. Sevu Reece (1)

                        15. Beauden Barrett (76)

                        16. Codie Taylor (43)

                        17. Ofa Tuungafasi (28)

                        18. Angus Ta’avao (6)

                        19. Jackson Hemopo (4)

                        20. Matt Todd (19)

                        21. TJ Perenara (57)

                        22. Ngani Laumape (12)

                        23. Jordie Barrett (10)

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                        Snowy
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                        #208

                        @Daffy-Jaffy said in Bledisloe #2:

                        SouthernMann had the good oil!

                        Yes, but he keeps naming the team on a Wednesday FFS. All the rules have gone out the window.
                        I'm going for a lie down.

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                        • SnowyS Snowy

                          @Daffy-Jaffy said in Bledisloe #2:

                          SouthernMann had the good oil!

                          Yes, but he keeps naming the team on a Wednesday FFS. All the rules have gone out the window.
                          I'm going for a lie down.

                          nzzpN Online
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                          nzzp
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                          #209

                          @Snowy said in Bledisloe #2:

                          @Daffy-Jaffy said in Bledisloe #2:

                          SouthernMann had the good oil!

                          Yes, but he keeps naming the team on a Wednesday FFS. All the rules have gone out the window.
                          I'm going for a lie down.

                          Was going to complain about this, but @Snowy beat me to it. It upsets the natural order of things.

                          also, thanks @SouthernMann good consistent oil, cheers

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                            Snowy
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                            #210

                            As for the Jordie selection - we were down to one Barrett for this match so he had to be picked. Always got to have at least two apparently.

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                              MrDenmore
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                              #211

                              If they were experimenting you’d think they’d have Bender on the bench in case of emergency. That he’s out completely in such a crunch match surely suggests he’s still injured. But dropping Rieko as well is what’s really perplexing. We’re left with two starting wingers as green as the Eden Park turf and a backstop on the bench with the Hex Factor. It’s like they’re playing Russian Roulette with five bullets in the chamber.

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                              • MrDenmoreM MrDenmore

                                If they were experimenting you’d think they’d have Bender on the bench in case of emergency. That he’s out completely in such a crunch match surely suggests he’s still injured. But dropping Rieko as well is what’s really perplexing. We’re left with two starting wingers as green as the Eden Park turf and a backstop on the bench with the Hex Factor. It’s like they’re playing Russian Roulette with five bullets in the chamber.

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                                canefan
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                                #212

                                @MrDenmore they are either grasping at straws, or this is all part of some grand plan....

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                                • MrDenmoreM MrDenmore

                                  If they were experimenting you’d think they’d have Bender on the bench in case of emergency. That he’s out completely in such a crunch match surely suggests he’s still injured. But dropping Rieko as well is what’s really perplexing. We’re left with two starting wingers as green as the Eden Park turf and a backstop on the bench with the Hex Factor. It’s like they’re playing Russian Roulette with five bullets in the chamber.

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                                  @MrDenmore said in Bledisloe #2:

                                  If they were experimenting you’d think they’d have Bender on the bench in case of emergency. That he’s out completely in such a crunch match surely suggests he’s still injured

                                  Was implied that the hammy still wasn't right in an article in the Herald. Would also explain why he has looked slow (whether that is due to lack of confidence in it, or it still is giving problems physically).

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                                  • nzzpN nzzp

                                    @Snowy said in Bledisloe #2:

                                    @Daffy-Jaffy said in Bledisloe #2:

                                    SouthernMann had the good oil!

                                    Yes, but he keeps naming the team on a Wednesday FFS. All the rules have gone out the window.
                                    I'm going for a lie down.

                                    Was going to complain about this, but @Snowy beat me to it. It upsets the natural order of things.

                                    also, thanks @SouthernMann good consistent oil, cheers

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                                    Crucial
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                                    #214

                                    @nzzp said in Bledisloe #2:

                                    @Snowy said in Bledisloe #2:

                                    @Daffy-Jaffy said in Bledisloe #2:

                                    SouthernMann had the good oil!

                                    Yes, but he keeps naming the team on a Wednesday FFS. All the rules have gone out the window.
                                    I'm going for a lie down.

                                    Was going to complain about this, but @Snowy beat me to it. It upsets the natural order of things.

                                    also, thanks @SouthernMann good consistent oil, cheers

                                    It’s called sauce. Get it right.

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                                    • canefanC canefan

                                      @MrDenmore they are either grasping at straws, or this is all part of some grand plan....

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                                      @canefan I think Chris B probably got it right. It was a grand plan hatched on the presumption that the Bledisloe would be tucked away after the Perth match. Had that been the case this selection would have looked smart. It now looks desperate. But as others have pointed out who the wingers are is immaterial if the front five aren’t winning the ball

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                                      • CrucialC Crucial

                                        @nzzp said in Bledisloe #2:

                                        @Snowy said in Bledisloe #2:

                                        @Daffy-Jaffy said in Bledisloe #2:

                                        SouthernMann had the good oil!

                                        Yes, but he keeps naming the team on a Wednesday FFS. All the rules have gone out the window.
                                        I'm going for a lie down.

                                        Was going to complain about this, but @Snowy beat me to it. It upsets the natural order of things.

                                        also, thanks @SouthernMann good consistent oil, cheers

                                        It’s called sauce. Get it right.

                                        SnowyS Offline
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                                        Snowy
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #216

                                        @Crucial said in Bledisloe #2:

                                        @nzzp said in Bledisloe #2:

                                        @Snowy said in Bledisloe #2:

                                        @Daffy-Jaffy said in Bledisloe #2:

                                        SouthernMann had the good oil!

                                        Yes, but he keeps naming the team on a Wednesday FFS. All the rules have gone out the window.
                                        I'm going for a lie down.

                                        Was going to complain about this, but @Snowy beat me to it. It upsets the natural order of things.

                                        also, thanks @SouthernMann good consistent oil, cheers

                                        It’s called sauce. Get it right.

                                        I believe the young ones call it "awesome sauce" these days.

                                        https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/awesomesauce/

                                        A young employee of mine said it and I actually thought she read the Fern for a minute.

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                                        • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

                                          @rotated said in Bledisloe #2:

                                          Oh and welcome back SBW.

                                          Yep. We def. need physicality, off-loading, ball skills, discipline, leadership,. ball retention and rugby nous in the midfield.

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                                          @Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe #2:

                                          @rotated said in Bledisloe #2:

                                          Oh and welcome back SBW.

                                          Yep. We def. need physicality, off-loading, ball skills, discipline, leadership,. ball retention and rugby nous in the midfield.

                                          Love the description. Not sure who that player is though.

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