RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2)
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@MajorRage Yeah - even though I think we're favourites, I don't think we're that much favourites.
You only need to start thinking about our obituary for Sunday and, "With the benefit of hindsight....". We haven't been hugely convincing this year - very good at times, shaky at others.
I guess everyone is counting that we're going to do the same as 2015 and suddenly hit peak and irresistible form. Hope Steve's had that powder carefully locked in his suitcase and under close watch. We don't want to open the bag in Tokyo and discover the typhoon somehow seeped in!
@Chris-B said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@MajorRage Yeah - even though I think we're favourites, I don't think we're that much favourites.
You only need to start thinking about our obituary for Sunday and, "With the benefit of hindsight....". We haven't been hugely convincing this year - very good at times, shaky at others.
I guess everyone is counting that we're going to do the same as 2015 and suddenly hit peak and irresistible form. Hope Steve's had that powder carefully locked in his suitcase and under close watch. We don't want to open the bag in Tokyo and discover the typhoon somehow seeped in!
As opposed to Ireland's irresistible form?
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@Chris-B said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@MajorRage Yeah - even though I think we're favourites, I don't think we're that much favourites.
You only need to start thinking about our obituary for Sunday and, "With the benefit of hindsight....". We haven't been hugely convincing this year - very good at times, shaky at others.
I guess everyone is counting that we're going to do the same as 2015 and suddenly hit peak and irresistible form. Hope Steve's had that powder carefully locked in his suitcase and under close watch. We don't want to open the bag in Tokyo and discover the typhoon somehow seeped in!
As opposed to Ireland's irresistible form?
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@Frank said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
Is there any major step-down with Bundee Aki's probable replacement?
A step-up with Henshaw hopefully.
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@Chris-B said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Bones Who knows what powder Schmidt has in his magazine?
Not as dry as Steve’s.
BRING ON IRELAND!!! Chahooooo
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@Chris-B said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Bones Who knows what powder Schmidt has in his magazine?
I suspect they are on a downward slide after their pinnacle 18 months ago. Same game plan, Japan out thought them and out paced them. If we are on song it could be a big win. And like the 2015 QF, there are scores to settle
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@Derm-McCrum said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@No-Quarter said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@The-Irishman said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
Hansen knows this Irish team very well now.
Last year in Dublin New Zealand were at the end of a hard season and had a tough game against the English.
They will be fresh and well prep'd. I can see them sucking the Irish in the centre of the park, forcing them to commit players to the ruck, then hitting them out wide. I hope I'm wrong, obviously, but I can see a pretty big scoreline for the AB's.
You may be new to the Fern but you've obviously played this underdog game before, and I won't let this continue. Ireland are odds on favourites, theirs to lose. Would be very surprised if the ABs got up.
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New Zealand 1/5 on
Ireland 5/1Just sayin like...
pfffft, sounds like another Paddy Power promotion to merk people.
@mariner4life said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Derm-McCrum said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@No-Quarter said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@The-Irishman said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
Hansen knows this Irish team very well now.
Last year in Dublin New Zealand were at the end of a hard season and had a tough game against the English.
They will be fresh and well prep'd. I can see them sucking the Irish in the centre of the park, forcing them to commit players to the ruck, then hitting them out wide. I hope I'm wrong, obviously, but I can see a pretty big scoreline for the AB's.
You may be new to the Fern but you've obviously played this underdog game before, and I won't let this continue. Ireland are odds on favourites, theirs to lose. Would be very surprised if the ABs got up.
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New Zealand 1/5 on
Ireland 5/1Just sayin like...
pfffft, sounds like another Paddy Power promotion to merk people.
Yes - Paddy Power and 16 other firms on Oddschecker.
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@Chris-B said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Bones Who knows what powder Schmidt has in his magazine?
I suspect they are on a downward slide after their pinnacle 18 months ago. Same game plan, Japan out thought them and out paced them. If we are on song it could be a big win. And like the 2015 QF, there are scores to settle
@canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Chris-B said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Bones Who knows what powder Schmidt has in his magazine?
I suspect they are on a downward slide after their pinnacle 18 months ago. Same game plan, Japan out thought them and out paced them. If we are on song it could be a big win. And like the 2015 QF, there are scores to settle
18 months ago they were in the middle of the Six Nations.
How far down the slide were they, when they played Argentina and NZ?
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@canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Chris-B said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Bones Who knows what powder Schmidt has in his magazine?
I suspect they are on a downward slide after their pinnacle 18 months ago. Same game plan, Japan out thought them and out paced them. If we are on song it could be a big win. And like the 2015 QF, there are scores to settle
18 months ago they were in the middle of the Six Nations.
How far down the slide were they, when they played Argentina and NZ?
@Derm-McCrum said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Chris-B said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Bones Who knows what powder Schmidt has in his magazine?
I suspect they are on a downward slide after their pinnacle 18 months ago. Same game plan, Japan out thought them and out paced them. If we are on song it could be a big win. And like the 2015 QF, there are scores to settle
18 months ago they were in the middle of the Six Nations.
How far down the slide were they, when they played Argentina and NZ?
The team had a middling 6N and RWC build up. They got found out by Japan, and beat Scotland in a game that was played at slo mo pace. Of course they are a danger and everything that has come before will count for nothing if they can win on the weekend. But my observation (often from afar) is that after the highlight of the Dublin win against the ABs they have looked less than their best. Time will tell if the team were merely keeping their powder dry for an AB QF. Maybe that was the plan all along, knock us out in the QF before having to potentially meet us deeper in the tournament? :winking_face:
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It is amazing the freedom you are afforded when you have won the cup after 24 long years. Rewind back to 2011 and the pressure to win the cup back after 24 long years was ridiculous
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TOKYO, 14 Oct - Ireland centre Bundee Aki attended a disciplinary hearing on 14 October having received a red card from referee Nic Berry for an act of foul play contrary to Law 9.13 (dangerous tackle) in Ireland’s Rugby World Cup 2019 Pool A match against Samoa on 12 October.
The independent Judicial Committee was chaired by Adam Casselden SC (Australia) joined by former international coach Frank Hadden (Scotland) and former referee Valeriu Toma (Romania).
The player sought to overturn the red card. Having considered all the angles of the incident, together with evidence from the player and his representatives, the committee upheld the decision of the referee.
The committee considered the High Tackle Sanction Framework and decided the following:
There was direct contact of the player’s left shoulder to the ball carrier’s head
The Judicial Committee did not accept that there was a low degree of danger
Although the tackle occurred quickly, the player’s tackle height was high and it was accepted he did not make a definite attempt to change his height in order to avoid the ball carrier’s head
The committee did not accept that there was sufficient evidence of a sudden drop in the ball carrier‘s height
The tackle was an attempted dominant tackle, rather than a reactionary tackle, and in any event there was no immediate release as the player wrapped his arms around the Samoa No.10
The player was in open space and had a clear line of sight before the contact
There are accordingly no clear and obvious mitigating factors
Therefore, on the balance of probabilities, the committee did not find that the referee’s decision was wrong and the red card was upheld.Given the above outcomes, the committee applied World Rugby’s mandatory minimum mid-range entry point, which was introduced in 2017 to protect player welfare, deter high contact and prevent head injuries. This resulted in a starting point of a six-week suspension.
Taking into account the mitigating factors that are considered in relation to sanction, including the player’s good disciplinary record, the committee reduced the six-week entry point by the maximum permitted three weeks, resulting in a sanction of three weeks, which equates to three matches in the context of Rugby World Cup 2019.
Aki will miss Ireland’s quarter-final against New Zealand on 19 October, the semi-final and final of Rugby World Cup 2019 should Ireland qualify or should Ireland not qualify for these games, the player’s next club match or matches with Connacht in the PRO14 on his return from international duty.
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TOKYO, 14 Oct - Ireland centre Bundee Aki attended a disciplinary hearing on 14 October having received a red card from referee Nic Berry for an act of foul play contrary to Law 9.13 (dangerous tackle) in Ireland’s Rugby World Cup 2019 Pool A match against Samoa on 12 October.
The independent Judicial Committee was chaired by Adam Casselden SC (Australia) joined by former international coach Frank Hadden (Scotland) and former referee Valeriu Toma (Romania).
The player sought to overturn the red card. Having considered all the angles of the incident, together with evidence from the player and his representatives, the committee upheld the decision of the referee.
The committee considered the High Tackle Sanction Framework and decided the following:
There was direct contact of the player’s left shoulder to the ball carrier’s head
The Judicial Committee did not accept that there was a low degree of danger
Although the tackle occurred quickly, the player’s tackle height was high and it was accepted he did not make a definite attempt to change his height in order to avoid the ball carrier’s head
The committee did not accept that there was sufficient evidence of a sudden drop in the ball carrier‘s height
The tackle was an attempted dominant tackle, rather than a reactionary tackle, and in any event there was no immediate release as the player wrapped his arms around the Samoa No.10
The player was in open space and had a clear line of sight before the contact
There are accordingly no clear and obvious mitigating factors
Therefore, on the balance of probabilities, the committee did not find that the referee’s decision was wrong and the red card was upheld.Given the above outcomes, the committee applied World Rugby’s mandatory minimum mid-range entry point, which was introduced in 2017 to protect player welfare, deter high contact and prevent head injuries. This resulted in a starting point of a six-week suspension.
Taking into account the mitigating factors that are considered in relation to sanction, including the player’s good disciplinary record, the committee reduced the six-week entry point by the maximum permitted three weeks, resulting in a sanction of three weeks, which equates to three matches in the context of Rugby World Cup 2019.
Aki will miss Ireland’s quarter-final against New Zealand on 19 October, the semi-final and final of Rugby World Cup 2019 should Ireland qualify or should Ireland not qualify for these games, the player’s next club match or matches with Connacht in the PRO14 on his return from international duty.
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@Daffy-Jaffy interesting to see that pleading guilty early doesn't appear to result in a greater reduction then - or has everyone else tried to get off also?
@Bones said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Daffy-Jaffy interesting to see that pleading guilty early doesn't appear to result in a greater reduction then - or has everyone else tried to get off also?
Yeah I was expecting 4 weeks given he challenged it and lost.... why ever plead guilty to anything if it's a free option?
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There was little chance of him getting off, it would set a precedent of inconsistency which is where most criticism of world rugby is aimed.
Now, watch us get a red card on the weekend then get it overturned ... that'll feed the conspiracy theorists!
Has Jones tweeted yet that apparently it was a 14 man commitee who all agreed to overturn, except for the NZ rep who denied?
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There was little chance of him getting off, it would set a precedent of inconsistency which is where most criticism of world rugby is aimed.
Now, watch us get a red card on the weekend then get it overturned ... that'll feed the conspiracy theorists!
Has Jones tweeted yet that apparently it was a 14 man commitee who all agreed to overturn, except for the NZ rep who denied?
@MajorRage said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
There was little chance of him getting off, it would set a precedent of inconsistency which is where most criticism of world rugby is aimed.
Now, watch us get a red card on the weekend then get it overturned ... that'll feed the conspiracy theorists!
Has Jones tweeted yet that apparently it was a 14 man commitee who all agreed to overturn, except for the NZ rep who denied?
Yep - he had to get the same as everyone else.
The good thing is that Henshaw is recovered and will be up for partnering his Leinster team-mate on Saturday.
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There was little chance of him getting off, it would set a precedent of inconsistency which is where most criticism of world rugby is aimed.
Now, watch us get a red card on the weekend then get it overturned ... that'll feed the conspiracy theorists!
Has Jones tweeted yet that apparently it was a 14 man commitee who all agreed to overturn, except for the NZ rep who denied?
@MajorRage said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
There was little chance of him getting off, it would set a precedent of inconsistency which is where most criticism of world rugby is aimed.
Now, watch us get a red card on the weekend then get it overturned ... that'll feed the conspiracy theorists!
Has Jones tweeted yet that apparently it was a 14 man commitee who all agreed to overturn, except for the NZ rep who denied?
And the Irish rep who denied, no...?
