RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2)
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So Ireland have flown out a legal beagle to get Aki off. What is the standard penalty for a high shot and red card?
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@canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@nzzp said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@The-Irishman said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
They will be fresh and well prep'd. I can see them sucking the Irish in the centre of the park, forcing them to commit players to the ruck, then hitting them out wide. I hope I'm wrong, obviously, but I can see a pretty big scoreline for the AB's.
This is it.
Also, if they keep us to 9 points again, they deserve to win.
Frame it from an Irish perspective - they need parity or dominance up front, and a ref who listens and rules the way they want to play. I reckon our tight 5 will show up fired up and get the job done.
can't wait!
Yup. It's one thing to ambush us at home on the end of year tour. This is the big game, we won't hold back and I feel we are building nicely
You think last November was an ambush?
Jeez.
@Derm-McCrum said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
You think last November was an ambush?
Not an ambush, but we played really poorly. We weren't allowed to play well, but we really didn't cope with the rush defence, and our forwards were really really passive.
This is what's so tasty though - has Hansen worked out a counter to the Irish rush and grinding style? Japan Wales and England have shown templates on how to beat them ... not we have to see if we can manage the same thing.
Ireland play smart rugby, but it's not inspiring and it's got all the elements of why people didn't like England back in the day. Low risk, percentage rugby, relying on grinding penalties and only chancing the arm under penalty advantage. Effective for some time, but from a neutral perspective not that exciting
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@canefan I think 3 weeks minimum based on other similar ones.
@taniwharugby said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@canefan I think 3 weeks minimum based on other similar ones.
That's what I thought. I guess they figure the lawyer might be able to do some kind of deal. It will be a bad look if they do, especially in light of the hardline they have taken with others
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So what do New Zealand fans reckon will be the margin against the whinging, piston wristed gibbon Paddies?
25-30?
@Derm-McCrum said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
against the whinging, piston wristed gibbon Paddies?
25-30?
Huh??
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@taniwharugby said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@canefan I think 3 weeks minimum based on other similar ones.
That's what I thought. I guess they figure the lawyer might be able to do some kind of deal. It will be a bad look if they do, especially in light of the hardline they have taken with others
@canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@taniwharugby said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@canefan I think 3 weeks minimum based on other similar ones.
That's what I thought. I guess they figure the lawyer might be able to do some kind of deal. It will be a bad look if they do, especially in light of the hardline they have taken with others
It'll look terrible! The others have all been 'yes, red as contact with head, therefore mid entry (6 weeks) and discount 50%'.
There wasn't much that Aki could do, except 'tackle lower' as one of the refs put it.
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Here are the referees to choose from, the bloody French have 4 of them.
Referees (12): Wayne Barnes (England), Luke Pearce (England), Jérôme Garcès (France), Romain Poite (France), Pascal Gaüzère (France), Mathieu Raynal (France), Nigel Owens (Wales), Jaco Peyper (South Africa), Ben O’Keeffe (New Zealand), Paul Williams (New Zealand), Nic Berry (Australia) and Angus Gardner (Australia)
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Here are the referees to choose from, the bloody French have 4 of them.
Referees (12): Wayne Barnes (England), Luke Pearce (England), Jérôme Garcès (France), Romain Poite (France), Pascal Gaüzère (France), Mathieu Raynal (France), Nigel Owens (Wales), Jaco Peyper (South Africa), Ben O’Keeffe (New Zealand), Paul Williams (New Zealand), Nic Berry (Australia) and Angus Gardner (Australia)
@chimoaus said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
Here are the referees to choose from, the bloody French have 4 of them.
Referees (12): Wayne Barnes (England), Luke Pearce (England), Jérôme Garcès (France), Romain Poite (France), Pascal Gaüzère (France), Mathieu Raynal (France), Nigel Owens (Wales), Jaco Peyper (South Africa), Ben O’Keeffe (New Zealand), Paul Williams (New Zealand), Nic Berry (Australia) and Angus Gardner (Australia)
I’m trying to look for the good ones. Is there a second list?
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Here are the referees to choose from, the bloody French have 4 of them.
Referees (12): Wayne Barnes (England), Luke Pearce (England), Jérôme Garcès (France), Romain Poite (France), Pascal Gaüzère (France), Mathieu Raynal (France), Nigel Owens (Wales), Jaco Peyper (South Africa), Ben O’Keeffe (New Zealand), Paul Williams (New Zealand), Nic Berry (Australia) and Angus Gardner (Australia)
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I will be surprised if we dont get Garces or Poite (those 2 have done alot of our matches the past few years) my preference would be Barnes, Owens or Gardner.
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@canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@taniwharugby said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@canefan I think 3 weeks minimum based on other similar ones.
That's what I thought. I guess they figure the lawyer might be able to do some kind of deal. It will be a bad look if they do, especially in light of the hardline they have taken with others
It'll look terrible! The others have all been 'yes, red as contact with head, therefore mid entry (6 weeks) and discount 50%'.
There wasn't much that Aki could do, except 'tackle lower' as one of the refs put it.
@nzzp said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@taniwharugby said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@canefan I think 3 weeks minimum based on other similar ones.
That's what I thought. I guess they figure the lawyer might be able to do some kind of deal. It will be a bad look if they do, especially in light of the hardline they have taken with others
It'll look terrible! The others have all been 'yes, red as contact with head, therefore mid entry (6 weeks) and discount 50%'.
There wasn't much that Aki could do, except 'tackle lower' as one of the refs put it.
He shouldn’t get any discount. Same penalty/ban as the rest. Hope this legal eagle is seen as provocative and they apply the full whack. Not a good look. The Samoan coach should butt out too - offering to give mitigation - too political.
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I will be surprised if we dont get Garces or Poite (those 2 have done alot of our matches the past few years) my preference would be Barnes, Owens or Gardner.
@taniwharugby said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
I will be surprised if we dont get Garces or Poite (those 2 have done alot of our matches the past few years) my preference would be Barnes, Owens or Gardner.
Jesus - not Gardner. May as well hand you the match. Or Barnes. Graces and Poite are terrible. And French.
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I will be surprised if we dont get Garces or Poite (those 2 have done alot of our matches the past few years) my preference would be Barnes, Owens or Gardner.
@taniwharugby If the Frogs somehow do get through to the final at least we will be spared having to watch the first two perform!
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@chimoaus top for me based on limited viewing are
Barnes
Peyper
OwensPeyper/Owens there on past form; I haven't seen much of them to date
no idea on the 4th ref!
@nzzp said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@chimoaus top for me based on limited viewing are
Barnes
Peyper
OwensPeyper/Owens there on past form; I haven't seen much of them to date
no idea on the 4th ref!
I reckon Gaüzère is the pick of the French refs. But not sure where he’s positioned in the pecking order.
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@Derm-McCrum said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
You think last November was an ambush?
Not an ambush, but we played really poorly. We weren't allowed to play well, but we really didn't cope with the rush defence, and our forwards were really really passive.
This is what's so tasty though - has Hansen worked out a counter to the Irish rush and grinding style? Japan Wales and England have shown templates on how to beat them ... not we have to see if we can manage the same thing.
Ireland play smart rugby, but it's not inspiring and it's got all the elements of why people didn't like England back in the day. Low risk, percentage rugby, relying on grinding penalties and only chancing the arm under penalty advantage. Effective for some time, but from a neutral perspective not that exciting
@nzzp said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Derm-McCrum said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
You think last November was an ambush?
Not an ambush, but we played really poorly. We weren't allowed to play well, but we really didn't cope with the rush defence, and our forwards were really really passive.
This is what's so tasty though - has Hansen worked out a counter to the Irish rush and grinding style? Japan Wales and England have shown templates on how to beat them ... not we have to see if we can manage the same thing.
Ireland play smart rugby, but it's not inspiring and it's got all the elements of why people didn't like England back in the day. Low risk, percentage rugby, relying on grinding penalties and only chancing the arm under penalty advantage. Effective for some time, but from a neutral perspective not that exciting
Agreed. Not an ambush from the most predictable team in World Rugby in 2018. Low risk. Percentage rugby. Only chance arm of scoring try under penalty advantage. Not exciting. Not inspiring.
In short, the most unlikely team to ambush anyone. Not a chance of an ambush.
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@nzzp said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@chimoaus top for me based on limited viewing are
Barnes
Peyper
OwensPeyper/Owens there on past form; I haven't seen much of them to date
no idea on the 4th ref!
I reckon Gaüzère is the pick of the French refs. But not sure where he’s positioned in the pecking order.
@ACT-Crusader behind Garces and Poite...
@Derm-McCrum TBH I do think Gardner has gone backwards the past couple of years, he used to be very good, but I think he is now afraid of making calls, based on WR throwing him under the bus with the RC v France a couple of years ago...that said, I'd still take him before those Frenchies!
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So what do New Zealand fans reckon will be the margin against the whinging, piston wristed gibbon Paddies?
25-30?
@Derm-McCrum said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
So what do New Zealand fans reckon will be the margin against the whinging, piston wristed gibbon Paddies?
25-30?
I doubt it . The days of those sort of winning margins against Ireland are gone imho
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@canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
We can talk horses for courses all we like. But at the end of the day it's only Japan, and Ireland got found out by them. Shame on us if we can't beat any or all 3
Last time we went head to head against Ireland dominated the ABs. This was less than twelve months ago.
Ireland have conceded one try all tournament. Outside of one 20 minute window against the Boks there is limited evidence from the past 12 months that the ABs have the ability to crack this a good rush defence if fit, firing and confident.
@rotated said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
We can talk horses for courses all we like. But at the end of the day it's only Japan, and Ireland got found out by them. Shame on us if we can't beat any or all 3
Last time we went head to head against Ireland dominated the ABs. This was less than twelve months ago.
Ireland have conceded one try all tournament. Outside of one 20 minute window against the Boks there is limited evidence from the past 12 months that the ABs have the ability to crack this a good rush defence if fit, firing and confident.
Yep. No doubt Ireland should be heavy favourites for this one :smiling_face_with_sunglasses:
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@Derm-McCrum said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
So what do New Zealand fans reckon will be the margin against the whinging, piston wristed gibbon Paddies?
25-30?
I doubt it . The days of those sort of winning margins against Ireland are gone imho
@jegga said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Derm-McCrum said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
So what do New Zealand fans reckon will be the margin against the whinging, piston wristed gibbon Paddies?
25-30?
I doubt it . The days of those sort of winning margins against Ireland are gone imho
1 point win I'm happy, a more comfortable win will be better for our collective blood pressures...
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Now that it’s here , have a nervous excitement to see how we play this tactically,
I think it’s fair to say we know what we are getting from Ireland, unless they are holding something back , but you would think they will go back to the stuff that has troubled us recently, why would you change that .
But we have tweaked our set up to counter the likes of them , and now we get to see how it works .
