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Cricket: NZ vs England

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  • No QuarterN No Quarter

    Really excited to see Ferg get a go in the test arena. He has a very good first class record in the longer form so no reason why he won't go well. He and Wags could be a very difficult combination to face.

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    @No-Quarter I'm a bit more cautious ( pessismistic from years of Heath Davis, Brendon Stirling, someone Drum dashed hopes) on young Locky. Admittedly i haven't seen him bowl a red ball, but raw pace alone doesn't bother elite batsmen without a run rate in play.

    I'd be ecstatic for him to prove me wrong and it's up to him to forge a place, which is cool.

    Won't be surprised to see Henry recalled with a specific role to play.

    I'd like to be wrong though

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    • HoorooH Hooroo

      @Siam said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

      @Hooroo something more robust than unofficial twitter accusation would be a start.

      How come?

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      @Hooroo said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

      @Siam said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

      @Hooroo something more robust than unofficial twitter accusation would be a start.

      How come?

      I'm not sure what you're asking.

      How come a story started on Twitter turns out to be lacking substance?
      How come he didn't alert officials first?
      How come he didn't identify the transgressor, ala Adam Goodes?
      How come his tweet removes due process for "convicting" a "racist"?
      How come it's been picked up by clickbait media willing to paint NZers as racist?

      How come a professional cricketer doesn't have the tools or knowledge to cope with nonsense talk?
      How come he hasn't defined what he wants to accomplish with his tweet?
      How come his accusation demonstrates nothing other than perhaps there was one guy in a 5 day crowd with limited intelligence?

      It's a thin story with delicious outrage and generalisation potential. Dogmeat raised more good considerations.

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        #462

        Oh and nice to exorcise the ghost of the Panesar drawn test in Eden Park a few years ago.

        Really need a big effort in Hamilton...or 3 days of rain!

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        • SiamS Siam

          Oh and nice to exorcise the ghost of the Panesar drawn test in Eden Park a few years ago.

          Really need a big effort in Hamilton...or 3 days of rain!

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          #463

          @Siam said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

          Oh and nice to exorcise the ghost of the Panesar drawn test in Eden Park a few years ago.

          Really need a big effort in Hamilton...or 3 days of rain!

          There seems to be plenty of draws in cricket with England which have been defeat recently. Many many ghosts!

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            #464

            Some context and collaboration corroboration

            https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12288888

            What kind of comment could it be that NZers don't recognise as racial?

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            • No QuarterN Offline
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              No Quarter
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              #465

              @booboo oh, so I guess Kane doesn't need to apologise on behalf of New Zealanders. Root needs to step up and apologise on behalf of of the English then.

              The plot thickens.

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              • boobooB booboo

                Some context and collaboration corroboration

                https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12288888

                What kind of comment could it be that NZers don't recognise as racial?

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                booboo
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                #466

                @booboo said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

                Some context and collaboration corroboration

                https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12288888

                What kind of comment could it be that NZers don't recognise as racial?

                Edit. Me not word good

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                • boobooB booboo

                  Some context and collaboration corroboration

                  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12288888

                  What kind of comment could it be that NZers don't recognise as racial?

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                  #467

                  @booboo said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

                  Some context and collaboration corroboration

                  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12288888

                  What kind of comment could it be that NZers don't recognise as racial?

                  The 'show us your passport' type stuff, I guess?

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                    Bones
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                    #468

                    Prolly saying he is an undercover BC.

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                    • M Machpants

                      @booboo said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

                      Some context and collaboration corroboration

                      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12288888

                      What kind of comment could it be that NZers don't recognise as racial?

                      The 'show us your passport' type stuff, I guess?

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                      #469

                      @Machpants said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

                      @booboo said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

                      Some context and collaboration corroboration

                      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12288888

                      What kind of comment could it be that NZers don't recognise as racial?

                      The 'show us your passport' type stuff, I guess?

                      And how is that racist?

                      Funny? Yes.

                      Racist? Hmm

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                        #470

                        https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/black-caps/117739296/how-father-figure-chris-kuggeleijn-shaped-the-career-of-black-cap-bj-watling

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                        • boobooB booboo

                          @Machpants said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

                          @booboo said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

                          Some context and collaboration corroboration

                          https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12288888

                          What kind of comment could it be that NZers don't recognise as racial?

                          The 'show us your passport' type stuff, I guess?

                          And how is that racist?

                          Funny? Yes.

                          Racist? Hmm

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                          Machpants
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                          #471

                          @booboo said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

                          @Machpants said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

                          @booboo said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

                          Some context and collaboration corroboration

                          https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12288888

                          What kind of comment could it be that NZers don't recognise as racial?

                          The 'show us your passport' type stuff, I guess?

                          And how is that racist?

                          Funny? Yes.

                          Racist? Hmm

                          Because just cos you're black doesn't mean you can't be British. The implication being BAME people aren't Brits.

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                          • M Machpants

                            @booboo said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

                            @Machpants said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

                            @booboo said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

                            Some context and collaboration corroboration

                            https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12288888

                            What kind of comment could it be that NZers don't recognise as racial?

                            The 'show us your passport' type stuff, I guess?

                            And how is that racist?

                            Funny? Yes.

                            Racist? Hmm

                            Because just cos you're black doesn't mean you can't be British. The implication being BAME people aren't Brits.

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                            Crucial
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                            @Machpants said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

                            @booboo said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

                            @Machpants said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

                            @booboo said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

                            Some context and collaboration corroboration

                            https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12288888

                            What kind of comment could it be that NZers don't recognise as racial?

                            The 'show us your passport' type stuff, I guess?

                            And how is that racist?

                            Funny? Yes.

                            Racist? Hmm

                            Because just cos you're black doesn't mean you can't be British. The implication being BAME people aren't Brits.

                            With Archer though, he became eligible after a rule change on residency cutting his time to qualify from 7 to 3 years. He has a UK Passport but only arrived in the UK after turning 18. He will be under scrutiny as a 'ring in' because of that.
                            Using racist terms to convey that scrutiny isn't the way to do it though.

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                            • HoorooH Hooroo

                              CDG and Boult out of Second Test

                              https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/black-caps/117744213/new-zealand-v-england-black-caps-lose-trent-boult-colin-de-grandhomme-for-second-test

                              John Mitchell's son comes into the team with Ferguson

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                              Chris B.
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                              @Hooroo said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

                              John Mitchell's son comes into the team with Ferguson

                              Is Mitch Jr. a good enough bowler at test level to be a like-for-like replacement for Colin?

                              I'd have thought Jimmy Neesham might have been further up the queue.

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                              • Chris B.C Chris B.

                                @Hooroo said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

                                John Mitchell's son comes into the team with Ferguson

                                Is Mitch Jr. a good enough bowler at test level to be a like-for-like replacement for Colin?

                                I'd have thought Jimmy Neesham might have been further up the queue.

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                                Bovidae
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                                @Chris-B I thought Neesham would have been picked too. Mitchell should be more economical than Neesham and tie up an end. He might not play anyway depending on pitch conditions.

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                                • M Machpants

                                  @booboo said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

                                  @Machpants said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

                                  @booboo said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

                                  Some context and collaboration corroboration

                                  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12288888

                                  What kind of comment could it be that NZers don't recognise as racial?

                                  The 'show us your passport' type stuff, I guess?

                                  And how is that racist?

                                  Funny? Yes.

                                  Racist? Hmm

                                  Because just cos you're black doesn't mean you can't be British. The implication being BAME people aren't Brits.

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                                  booboo
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                                  #475

                                  @Machpants said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

                                  @booboo said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

                                  @Machpants said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

                                  @booboo said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

                                  Some context and collaboration corroboration

                                  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12288888

                                  What kind of comment could it be that NZers don't recognise as racial?

                                  The 'show us your passport' type stuff, I guess?

                                  And how is that racist?

                                  Funny? Yes.

                                  Racist? Hmm

                                  Because just cos you're black doesn't mean you can't be British. The implication being BAME people aren't Brits.

                                  Que?

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                                  • boobooB booboo

                                    @Machpants said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

                                    @booboo said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

                                    @Machpants said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

                                    @booboo said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

                                    Some context and collaboration corroboration

                                    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12288888

                                    What kind of comment could it be that NZers don't recognise as racial?

                                    The 'show us your passport' type stuff, I guess?

                                    And how is that racist?

                                    Funny? Yes.

                                    Racist? Hmm

                                    Because just cos you're black doesn't mean you can't be British. The implication being BAME people aren't Brits.

                                    Que?

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                                    Crucial
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                                    #476

                                    @booboo said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

                                    @Machpants said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

                                    @booboo said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

                                    @Machpants said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

                                    @booboo said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

                                    Some context and collaboration corroboration

                                    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12288888

                                    What kind of comment could it be that NZers don't recognise as racial?

                                    The 'show us your passport' type stuff, I guess?

                                    And how is that racist?

                                    Funny? Yes.

                                    Racist? Hmm

                                    Because just cos you're black doesn't mean you can't be British. The implication being BAME people aren't Brits.

                                    Que?

                                    I took a guess that he meant Black And Mixed Ethnicity.

                                    Could be wrong though. I've not seen the term before.

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                                      @booboo @Crucial

                                      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classification_of_ethnicity_in_the_United_Kingdom#Collective_terms_for_minority_ethnic_groups

                                      A number of terms have been used, by government and more generally, to refer to the collective ethnic minority population. These include "black and minority ethnic" (BME), "black, Asian and minority ethnic" (BAME) and "black and ethnic minority" (BEM)
                                      
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                                        booboo
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                                        #478

                                        Thanks guys.

                                        Did know what it means (but not the actual acronym).

                                        My confusion was more about how being teased for having a passport of seeming convenience was in anyway racial.

                                        I suspect Wags has copped shit for his emigration.

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                                        • Chris B.C Chris B.

                                          @Hooroo said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

                                          John Mitchell's son comes into the team with Ferguson

                                          Is Mitch Jr. a good enough bowler at test level to be a like-for-like replacement for Colin?

                                          I'd have thought Jimmy Neesham might have been further up the queue.

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                                          @Chris-B said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

                                          @Hooroo said in Cricket: NZ vs England:

                                          John Mitchell's son comes into the team with Ferguson

                                          Is Mitch Jr. a good enough bowler at test level to be a like-for-like replacement for Colin?

                                          I'd have thought Jimmy Neesham might have been further up the queue.

                                          Have my doubts re Mitchell. I just assumed Neesham was injured again.

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