Cricket: NZ vs Aus
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Our batting has some issues - we're batting a keeper as an opener because apparently domestic cricket isn't developing test quality openers, using our actual keeper at number 6, and playing Santner as an all rounder in case we need his batting, but now Santner's bowling isn't up to even holding up an end, so it's being found out as a plan.
Latham, Williamson, Taylor, Nicholls is an excellent specialist batting spine, but we've still got weaknesses i.e. the other opener, and obviously we feel we need a batting number 8 for some reason, even though Watling and CdG do pretty well at 6-7. Meanwhile, we don't have any other medium term spinning options because the others don't really take wickets and can't bat as well as Santner.
Maybe we just need to bite the bullet, play a 4th seamer, Kane rolls the arm over where required, and we accept that number 8 isn't actually a batting position.
@Godder said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
apparently domestic cricket isn't developing test quality openers
We've always struggled there.
In my time - Latham, Richardson, Wright, Edgar, maybe a couple of others are about it. Did Turner open in tests? I didn't see much of him.
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Piss off the bat is behind the pad.
@No-Quarter said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
Piss off the bat is behind the pad.
Yep, pad then bat. The only way that can be an inside edge is if BJ bowled it.
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@No-Quarter said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
Piss off the bat is behind the pad.
Yep, pad then bat. The only way that can be an inside edge is if BJ bowled it.
@Snowy said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@No-Quarter said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
Piss off the bat is behind the pad.
Yep, pad then bat. The only way that can be an inside edge is if BJ bowled it.
Ian Smith rolled over on this in the commentary as well. Just like our batsmen.
No luck in decisions to go with some poor batting. Too hear Tim Paine talk it was like the Australians were unlucky with DRS. In fact it was the opposite and he was just working the media.
Now the bowlers look knackered. Bowled a lot of overs in 1.5 tests ( one bowler down, no runs or time from the batters ).
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@Rapido looking at this now (hindsight) the preparation of this team hasn’t been right to deal with the challenges - Coaches and Selectors will need to think about this for next time. The batsmen have all struggled with the bounce (more than the speed though they are additive ). And don’t know what they are doing with our spinners - getting a bit complicated? They have selected Ajaz and Sommerville for sub continent, but revert to Santner and Astle for this tour.
@kev said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@Rapido looking at this now (hindsight) the preparation of this team hasn’t been right to deal with the challenges - Coaches and Selectors will need to think about this for next time. The batsmen have all struggled with the bounce (more than the speed though they are additive ). And don’t know what they are doing with our spinners - getting a bit complicated? They have selected Ajaz and Sommerville for sub continent, but revert to Santner and Astle for this tour.
Doesn't matter what coaches and selectors will think about next time if ther administrators land them with a lemon schedule.
NZC barely care about test cricket, they care even less about away test cricket. They wont do anything different. Then what magic can coaches and selectors do when players are still playing cricket from a different continent half way through the series.
Pity the poor suckers who paid to travel to Melbourne without considering this fact.
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@Godder said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@hydro11 if Santner can't tie up an end with the ball, he's a specialist batsman at 8. Why are we picking him at 8 instead of finding a middle order batsman who can roll the arm over?
I don't think there really is such a player domestically. Our spin bowling batting all-rounders is probably limited to George Worker unless I am forgetting someone obvious. Santner does have a career economy rate of 2.75 in tests so it's not like he is regularly getting pasted.
@hydro11 said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@Godder said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@hydro11 if Santner can't tie up an end with the ball, he's a specialist batsman at 8. Why are we picking him at 8 instead of finding a middle order batsman who can roll the arm over?
I don't think there really is such a player domestically. Our spin bowling batting all-rounders is probably limited to George Worker unless I am forgetting someone obvious. Santner does have a career economy rate of 2.75 in tests so it's not like he is regularly getting pasted.
Doesn't have to be a spinner - if Santner's not taking wickets, it can be anything.
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@hydro11 said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@Godder said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@hydro11 if Santner can't tie up an end with the ball, he's a specialist batsman at 8. Why are we picking him at 8 instead of finding a middle order batsman who can roll the arm over?
I don't think there really is such a player domestically. Our spin bowling batting all-rounders is probably limited to George Worker unless I am forgetting someone obvious. Santner does have a career economy rate of 2.75 in tests so it's not like he is regularly getting pasted.
Doesn't have to be a spinner - if Santner's not taking wickets, it can be anything.
@Godder said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@hydro11 said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@Godder said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@hydro11 if Santner can't tie up an end with the ball, he's a specialist batsman at 8. Why are we picking him at 8 instead of finding a middle order batsman who can roll the arm over?
I don't think there really is such a player domestically. Our spin bowling batting all-rounders is probably limited to George Worker unless I am forgetting someone obvious. Santner does have a career economy rate of 2.75 in tests so it's not like he is regularly getting pasted.
Doesn't have to be a spinner - if Santner's not taking wickets, it can be anything.
Jimmy Neesham?
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@Godder said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@hydro11 said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@Godder said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@hydro11 if Santner can't tie up an end with the ball, he's a specialist batsman at 8. Why are we picking him at 8 instead of finding a middle order batsman who can roll the arm over?
I don't think there really is such a player domestically. Our spin bowling batting all-rounders is probably limited to George Worker unless I am forgetting someone obvious. Santner does have a career economy rate of 2.75 in tests so it's not like he is regularly getting pasted.
Doesn't have to be a spinner - if Santner's not taking wickets, it can be anything.
Jimmy Neesham?
@Chris-B said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@Godder said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@hydro11 said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@Godder said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@hydro11 if Santner can't tie up an end with the ball, he's a specialist batsman at 8. Why are we picking him at 8 instead of finding a middle order batsman who can roll the arm over?
I don't think there really is such a player domestically. Our spin bowling batting all-rounders is probably limited to George Worker unless I am forgetting someone obvious. Santner does have a career economy rate of 2.75 in tests so it's not like he is regularly getting pasted.
Doesn't have to be a spinner - if Santner's not taking wickets, it can be anything.
Jimmy Neesham?
Could do worse
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Still lots of gaps in the Aussie team though. Wade, Head and then Paine is a weak 5, 6, 7 (especially in foreign conditions). They also don't pick a proper all-rounder. I don't think they are anywhere near India's level although it will be good to see the series next year.
Also, I wonder who they will pick as their spinner when Lyon goes which could happen in the next two years.
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Our best ever team is being destroyed. Ritually sacrificed right before our eyes.
Our delusions of grandeur laid bare for all to see.
It's embarrassing.
@mariner4life said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
Our best ever team is being destroyed. Ritually sacrificed right before our eyes.
Our delusions of grandeur laid bare for all to see.
It's embarrassing.
Our worst ever team we sent to Aus were the 93/94 tourists. They did better than this lot.
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The aussie team keep going on about our ranking. I reckon it is more motivation to send us and the cricketing world a message
@canefan said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
The aussie team keep going on about our ranking. I reckon it is more motivation to send us and the cricketing world a message
They've clearly forgotten how piss poor that Aussie team was while Smith and Warner were suspended.
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One positive is we haven't let Warner cash in.
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Commentators speculating on declaration tonight - but, I can't see it. If they had any intention of us batting today, surely they'd have just enforced the follow-on.
I reckon they'll bat on for an hour tomorrow to completely bat us out of the game. Lead by 550 - bat Burns into some form - wear our bowlers down - and still leave themselves still five and a half sessions to bowl us out.
Given a short turnaround - I wonder whether we'll leave Timmy out of the third test. He looks the most knackered of our bowlers.
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@kev said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@hydro11 Sommerville is good with the bat.
Santner's FC average is 30, Someville averages 18. Somerville is 35 and has never hit a FC 50 (although he does have one good innings for NZ). Not in the same class as Santner and not really good enough to bat 8.
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@Godder said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@hydro11 said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@Godder said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@hydro11 if Santner can't tie up an end with the ball, he's a specialist batsman at 8. Why are we picking him at 8 instead of finding a middle order batsman who can roll the arm over?
I don't think there really is such a player domestically. Our spin bowling batting all-rounders is probably limited to George Worker unless I am forgetting someone obvious. Santner does have a career economy rate of 2.75 in tests so it's not like he is regularly getting pasted.
Doesn't have to be a spinner - if Santner's not taking wickets, it can be anything.
Jimmy Neesham?
@Chris-B said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@Godder said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@hydro11 said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@Godder said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@hydro11 if Santner can't tie up an end with the ball, he's a specialist batsman at 8. Why are we picking him at 8 instead of finding a middle order batsman who can roll the arm over?
I don't think there really is such a player domestically. Our spin bowling batting all-rounders is probably limited to George Worker unless I am forgetting someone obvious. Santner does have a career economy rate of 2.75 in tests so it's not like he is regularly getting pasted.
Doesn't have to be a spinner - if Santner's not taking wickets, it can be anything.
Jimmy Neesham?
But his economy rate is 3.47 domestically. He isn't a 5th seamer in that he is a guy to toss the ball to just to bowl overs. Neesham is better with the newer ball. Anderson would be a better 5th seamer.
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@hydro11 said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
Still lots of gaps in the Aussie team though. Wade, Head and then Paine is a weak 5, 6, 7 (especially in foreign conditions).
That's what I thought. But I'd take their production from our 5 6 7.
@booboo said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@hydro11 said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
Still lots of gaps in the Aussie team though. Wade, Head and then Paine is a weak 5, 6, 7 (especially in foreign conditions).
That's what I thought. But I'd take their production from our 5 6 7.
You would take their production in this game against our attack. You wouldn't have taken their record over the last 2 years. I wonder how those three would have gone against their attack?
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@kev said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@hydro11 Sommerville is good with the bat.
Santner's FC average is 30, Someville averages 18. Somerville is 35 and has never hit a FC 50 (although he does have one good innings for NZ). Not in the same class as Santner and not really good enough to bat 8.
