Cricket: NZ vs Aus
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@Rembrandt said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@Snowy Yeah it was pretty gross what was going on. To be fair I was no fan of the crazyness of the early 2000's in NZ when going to a match would guarantee you'd be drenched in beer from piston wristed gibbons who Mexican wave with full cups. This though was a massive over-reaction. Had a women cop taking names of a whole row of guys while a bloke cop was trying to force a reaction by being massive jerk booting guys literally sitting their quietly watching the cricket and when they questioned why it was all 'Because I said so'. I went to the bathroom after the first load of guys were evicted and there was a 8 person security/police huddle near the entrance discussing who they wanted to turf next. I know I'll not go back there for the cricket, just a massive display of authoritarian wankery left with a bitter taste and not just due to the Black caps performance or that expensive shitty brown water that the MCG calls 'beer'.
Yeah the security guards are all part of a big left wing conspiracy.
Pretty easy not to get kicked out. Drink normally, don't dump a bunch of plastic cups over everyone around you and enjoy the cricket.
Maybe the security where I was was a bit more lenient than where you were, but everyone I saw get kicked out was clearly there for a piss up and not that interested in the cricket (except the guy who got booted for player abuse, where the Aussies definitely had a lot more protection than the kiwis. Tom Blundell was copping it from the crowd all day two, so glad he got a ton in the end.)
@Cyclops said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@Rembrandt said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
Maybe the security where I was was a bit more lenient than where you were, but everyone I saw get kicked out was clearly there for a piss up and not that interested in the cricket (except the guy who got booted for player abuse, where the Aussies definitely had a lot more protection than the kiwis. Tom Blundell was copping it from the crowd all day two, so glad he got a ton in the end.)
That's entirely possible, I can only 100% vouch for the row of guys in front of me, unless there was some mischief in the bathrooms that I didn't see. My cousin had a similar story regarding blokes being kicked for a snake, an older gentleman saw them get booted so stood up with 2 cups held them apart and put them together while the crowd cheered him on. He did that about 3 or 4 times before he got the boot too to the crowds applause.
Not sure how they do the seating there or if its been tried before but maybe there should be some sort of party area where security is a bit more lax and people know what they are going into. Definitely understand no one wants their kids around any potential larikinism.
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@Cyclops said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@Rembrandt said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
Maybe the security where I was was a bit more lenient than where you were, but everyone I saw get kicked out was clearly there for a piss up and not that interested in the cricket (except the guy who got booted for player abuse, where the Aussies definitely had a lot more protection than the kiwis. Tom Blundell was copping it from the crowd all day two, so glad he got a ton in the end.)
That's entirely possible, I can only 100% vouch for the row of guys in front of me, unless there was some mischief in the bathrooms that I didn't see. My cousin had a similar story regarding blokes being kicked for a snake, an older gentleman saw them get booted so stood up with 2 cups held them apart and put them together while the crowd cheered him on. He did that about 3 or 4 times before he got the boot too to the crowds applause.
Not sure how they do the seating there or if its been tried before but maybe there should be some sort of party area where security is a bit more lax and people know what they are going into. Definitely understand no one wants their kids around any potential larikinism.
@Rembrandt said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
some sort of party area where security is a bit more lax and people know what they are going into
Hong Kong sevens south stand. Works well, go in there at your peril.
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I was there on Boxing Day and confirm people were getting booted left right and centre for nothing - skulling beers and cup snakes. It was entirely over the top fun police - by the security guards not the police - I saw a guy skull a beer right in front of a cop and the cop just had a quiet word with him and walked away.
Ironically the crowd was bloody well behaved - even in the afternoon after some time in the sun and a few beers - a few mexican waves - nothing unruly at all.
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More fuel to the DRS fire.
Tim Paine has has also been added to my dickheads file after I initially liked him.
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I like that someone is questioning DRS. It brings up some weird decisions all the time and it needs to be called out - giving it some untouchable status is crazy - it deserves criticism.
However on Paine I do find it funny that the 'nice guy' Australia have brought in as captain to help change the culture and change the image of the team is the mouthiest guy in world cricket - his gob is non stop. Straya!
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I like that someone is questioning DRS. It brings up some weird decisions all the time and it needs to be called out - giving it some untouchable status is crazy - it deserves criticism.
However on Paine I do find it funny that the 'nice guy' Australia have brought in as captain to help change the culture and change the image of the team is the mouthiest guy in world cricket - his gob is non stop. Straya!
@KiwiMurph said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
I like that someone is questioning DRS. It brings up some weird decisions all the time and it needs to be called out - giving it some untouchable status is crazy - it deserves criticism.
To a point. One of the few "crazy decisions" was when they used the wrong delivery recently - I think in NZ v England, but it got picked up.
Did you see the pre match thing where they showed how ball tracking was done? Worth a watch if it is available on utube.
Definitively use the 1/2 ball thing to allow for inaccuracies but that is still better than an umpire who sees it once, live. No slow mo, no snicko, no hot spot, no ball tracker. I'd give that decision to the 3rd umpire, still an umpire but not the on field one.
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So, changes for Sydney?
Boult is obviously out. I'd imagine Matt Henry will come in for him.
I saw Nathan Lyon on TV suggesting that the Australians thought Santner would play in Sydney where the pitch might help him more but to hell with that. Somerville or Astle to come in for Santner.
I'm also wondering whether CdG is expendable given that he's averaged 19 with the bat and 41 with the ball - and whether we play five specialist bowlers, give the workload Wagner and Southee have carried. That would let us play three seamers and two spinners (or even four and one). Weakens the batting a bit, but if the top order fails to fire, I don't think Colin is a great bet to succeed either - not against this attack.
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So, changes for Sydney?
Boult is obviously out. I'd imagine Matt Henry will come in for him.
I saw Nathan Lyon on TV suggesting that the Australians thought Santner would play in Sydney where the pitch might help him more but to hell with that. Somerville or Astle to come in for Santner.
I'm also wondering whether CdG is expendable given that he's averaged 19 with the bat and 41 with the ball - and whether we play five specialist bowlers, give the workload Wagner and Southee have carried. That would let us play three seamers and two spinners (or even four and one). Weakens the batting a bit, but if the top order fails to fire, I don't think Colin is a great bet to succeed either - not against this attack.
@Chris-B said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
I saw Nathan Lyon on TV suggesting that the Australians thought Santner would play in Sydney where the pitch might help him more but to hell with that. Somerville or Astle to come in for Santner.
Is the pitch expected to be a traditional SCG spin friendly wicket? Both sides might opt for two spinners.
That might save Santner and puts CDG under threat -
@Chris-B said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
I saw Nathan Lyon on TV suggesting that the Australians thought Santner would play in Sydney where the pitch might help him more but to hell with that. Somerville or Astle to come in for Santner.
Is the pitch expected to be a traditional SCG spin friendly wicket? Both sides might opt for two spinners.
That might save Santner and puts CDG under threat -
More fuel to the DRS fire.
Tim Paine has has also been added to my dickheads file after I initially liked him.
@Snowy said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
More fuel to the DRS fire.
Tim Paine has has also been added to my dickheads file after I initially liked him.
Well and truly in the dickhead file
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@Chris-B said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
I saw Nathan Lyon on TV suggesting that the Australians thought Santner would play in Sydney where the pitch might help him more but to hell with that. Somerville or Astle to come in for Santner.
Is the pitch expected to be a traditional SCG spin friendly wicket? Both sides might opt for two spinners.
That might save Santner and puts CDG under threat -
@Duluth I think that even if we play two spinners it should be Astle and Somerville.
Santner's simply been too ineffectual and the Aussies have had a really good look at him.
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@Chris-B said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
I think that even if we play two spinners it should be Astle and Somerville.
I don’t disagree. I just think the selectors are friendlier to Santner than the fans
@Duluth Yeah - without doubt.
I like Santner, as well - but mainly in the shorter forms. He just doesn't have enough weaponry to be a test spinner - unless maybe on really spin-friendly pitches.
Which, as you suggest, the selectors may think Sydney is....
Really, they erred by not giving Astle the spinners' spot in Melbourne - we'd have learned a lot more - and Santner might have been more in my frame to play in Sydney.
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Santner is the new Guptill.... world class in ODIs but no good in tests.
That said I'd love to have Guppy batting 6 in our current test side btwn Nicholls and Watling. I feel like we're a batsmen short with our wicket keeper batting 6.
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Santner is the new Guptill.... world class in ODIs but no good in tests.
That said I'd love to have Guppy batting 6 in our current test side btwn Nicholls and Watling. I feel like we're a batsmen short with our wicket keeper batting 6.
@TeWaio said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
Santner is the new Guptill.... world class in ODIs but no good in tests.
That said I'd love to have Guppy batting 6 in our current test side btwn Nicholls and Watling. I feel like we're a batsmen short with our wicket keeper batting 6.
Would love to have seen more chances for Guppy in the middle order. Was never equipped to be a test opener.
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@TeWaio said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
Santner is the new Guptill.... world class in ODIs but no good in tests.
That said I'd love to have Guppy batting 6 in our current test side btwn Nicholls and Watling. I feel like we're a batsmen short with our wicket keeper batting 6.
Would love to have seen more chances for Guppy in the middle order. Was never equipped to be a test opener.
@booboo said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@TeWaio said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
Santner is the new Guptill.... world class in ODIs but no good in tests.
That said I'd love to have Guppy batting 6 in our current test side btwn Nicholls and Watling. I feel like we're a batsmen short with our wicket keeper batting 6.
Would love to have seen more chances for Guppy in the middle order. Was never equipped to be a test opener.
100%, I think we've said this before on here but he doesn't have an openers game at all - plays with hard hands and likes to go at the wider deliveries. I see a lot of parallels between him and Astle, who was very effective for us at 5/6.
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Santner is the new Guptill.... world class in ODIs but no good in tests.
That said I'd love to have Guppy batting 6 in our current test side btwn Nicholls and Watling. I feel like we're a batsmen short with our wicket keeper batting 6.
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@TeWaio said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
our wicket keeper batting 6.
Understand what you are saying but our wicket keeper is also one of our best bats i.e I'm not sure that we have someone to put ahead of him and still get full value from BJ.
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@Snowy Three more tests and we'll have Devon Conway - and Will Young should be back playing by then as well!
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@Chris-B Will Young definitely a prospect. I don't know much about Conway?
BJ going down the order would still seem a waste given his tenacity.
@Snowy South African serving his residency. Made a triple century earlier this year, which has him heading the batting averages in the Plunket Shield.
He's being talked up and has the stats to back that - as long as he doesn't suffer Graeme Hick syndrome.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/player/379140.html
