AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?
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@sparky so what don't name a squad, plan anything, learn the plays until kick off? They've gotta name the squad and get the ball rolling, otherwise leaving it far too late to get shit in one sock
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@Machpants Agree. But this is a Training Squad at the moment. The 7 newbies are no more All Blacks than Brad Shields or Ben Tameifuna until they take the field in a game.
@sparky said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
The 7 newbies are no more All Blacks than Brad Shields or Ben Tameifuna until they take the field in a game.
but that is always the case anyway when newbies are named for the EOYT tours?
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@sparky so what don't name a squad, plan anything, learn the plays until kick off? They've gotta name the squad and get the ball rolling, otherwise leaving it far too late to get shit in one sock
@Machpants said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@sparky so what don't name a squad, plan anything, learn the plays until kick off? They've gotta name the squad and get the ball rolling, otherwise leaving it far too late to get shit in one sock
Yep. We have to get on with it. If we can't have matches then so be it, but at least prepare.
It's navigator and pilot thinking, and we're somewhat brainwashed, but what else are you going to do? The All Blacks cease to exist for a year, two, three?
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@sparky said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
The 7 newbies are no more All Blacks than Brad Shields or Ben Tameifuna until they take the field in a game.
but that is always the case anyway when newbies are named for the EOYT tours?
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@KiwiMurph Hope so.
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@taniwharugby I guess, but for previous tours for a very long time there have always been confirmed fixtures before the squad's named.
@sparky said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@taniwharugby I guess, but for previous tours for a very long time there have always been confirmed fixtures before the squad's named.
This is not like previous years. The biggest winner of the 2020 year is the word "unprecedented".
We are still able to have an All Blacks squad.
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@sparky said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@taniwharugby I guess, but for previous tours for a very long time there have always been confirmed fixtures before the squad's named.
This is not like previous years. The biggest winner of the 2020 year is the word "unprecedented".
We are still able to have an All Blacks squad.
@Snowy said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@sparky said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@taniwharugby I guess, but for previous tours for a very long time there have always been confirmed fixtures before the squad's named.
This is not like previous years. The biggest winner of the 2020 year is the word "unprecedented".
We are still able to have an All Blacks squad.
Yes, but until there is opposition (which hopefully will be confirmed soon) this is a training squad.
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@Snowy said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@sparky said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@taniwharugby I guess, but for previous tours for a very long time there have always been confirmed fixtures before the squad's named.
This is not like previous years. The biggest winner of the 2020 year is the word "unprecedented".
We are still able to have an All Blacks squad.
Yes, but until there is opposition (which hopefully will be confirmed soon) this is a training squad.
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@shark said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@sparky said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@shark said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@sparky Ioane only burst onto the scene 3-4 years ago. He must be in his mid-20s. Yet you speak of him like he's 30 years plus and/or coming back from a knee injury.
He is 23. Played Centre at School/Under 20. Started pro-Rugby on the Wing. Was oustanding in 2017. Had some calf/hamstring problems in 2018 and 2019. Now says he prefers 13. Looking good there.
Thanks for the player bio. How about explaining how or why he's no longer fast enough to play wing, in your opinion?
I'd guarantee he's quicker than Ben Smith was the last few years, quicker than CJ at his peak etc etc.
I have a suspicion that speed is not the reason at all.
No one will admit this type of flaw publicly but I suspect that if you analysed his natural play on the wing you can also work out how to shut him down easily. It could be a body position thing or a one way step or an initial movement.
Good defensive coaches pour over tapes to find these flaws and neutralise good players.
Those same attributes may not show up when playing without the sideline as a defender or when taking the ball on running lines.
Just a possibility@Crucial said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@shark said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@sparky said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@shark said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@sparky Ioane only burst onto the scene 3-4 years ago. He must be in his mid-20s. Yet you speak of him like he's 30 years plus and/or coming back from a knee injury.
He is 23. Played Centre at School/Under 20. Started pro-Rugby on the Wing. Was oustanding in 2017. Had some calf/hamstring problems in 2018 and 2019. Now says he prefers 13. Looking good there.
Thanks for the player bio. How about explaining how or why he's no longer fast enough to play wing, in your opinion?
I'd guarantee he's quicker than Ben Smith was the last few years, quicker than CJ at his peak etc etc.
I have a suspicion that speed is not the reason at all.
No one will admit this type of flaw publicly but I suspect that if you analysed his natural play on the wing you can also work out how to shut him down easily. It could be a body position thing or a one way step or an initial movement.
Good defensive coaches pour over tapes to find these flaws and neutralise good players.
Those same attributes may not show up when playing without the sideline as a defender or when taking the ball on running lines.
Just a possibilityTBH, sounds like bollocks, most super coaches couldn't shut him down last year even when he had a niggle and he was barely given any ball at international level for the theory to be tested there.
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Lomax was announced as Highlanders and Ta$man. Papali'i was announced as Blues and Auckland as well. You'd think they'd know who their players play for.
@Yeetyaah i missed that, pretty lazy...i mean..we'll take lomax back
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@Crucial said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@shark said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@sparky said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@shark said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@sparky Ioane only burst onto the scene 3-4 years ago. He must be in his mid-20s. Yet you speak of him like he's 30 years plus and/or coming back from a knee injury.
He is 23. Played Centre at School/Under 20. Started pro-Rugby on the Wing. Was oustanding in 2017. Had some calf/hamstring problems in 2018 and 2019. Now says he prefers 13. Looking good there.
Thanks for the player bio. How about explaining how or why he's no longer fast enough to play wing, in your opinion?
I'd guarantee he's quicker than Ben Smith was the last few years, quicker than CJ at his peak etc etc.
I have a suspicion that speed is not the reason at all.
No one will admit this type of flaw publicly but I suspect that if you analysed his natural play on the wing you can also work out how to shut him down easily. It could be a body position thing or a one way step or an initial movement.
Good defensive coaches pour over tapes to find these flaws and neutralise good players.
Those same attributes may not show up when playing without the sideline as a defender or when taking the ball on running lines.
Just a possibilityTBH, sounds like bollocks, most super coaches couldn't shut him down last year even when he had a niggle and he was barely given any ball at international level for the theory to be tested there.
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@shark said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@sparky said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@shark said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@sparky Ioane only burst onto the scene 3-4 years ago. He must be in his mid-20s. Yet you speak of him like he's 30 years plus and/or coming back from a knee injury.
He is 23. Played Centre at School/Under 20. Started pro-Rugby on the Wing. Was oustanding in 2017. Had some calf/hamstring problems in 2018 and 2019. Now says he prefers 13. Looking good there.
Thanks for the player bio. How about explaining how or why he's no longer fast enough to play wing, in your opinion?
I'd guarantee he's quicker than Ben Smith was the last few years, quicker than CJ at his peak etc etc.
I have a suspicion that speed is not the reason at all.
No one will admit this type of flaw publicly but I suspect that if you analysed his natural play on the wing you can also work out how to shut him down easily. It could be a body position thing or a one way step or an initial movement.
Good defensive coaches pour over tapes to find these flaws and neutralise good players.
Those same attributes may not show up when playing without the sideline as a defender or when taking the ball on running lines.
Just a possibility@Crucial said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
Good defensive coaches pour over tapes to find these flaws and neutralise good players.
No.
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@Crucial said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
Good defensive coaches pour over tapes to find these flaws and neutralise good players.
No.
@Bones said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@Crucial said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
Good defensive coaches pour over tapes to find these flaws and neutralise good players.
No.
That’s a pore error.
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@Crucial said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
Good defensive coaches pour over tapes to find these flaws and neutralise good players.
No.
@Bones they may pour something over them after they are done to stop them falling into the wrong hands?
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@sparky said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@taniwharugby I guess, but for previous tours for a very long time there have always been confirmed fixtures before the squad's named.
This is not like previous years. The biggest winner of the 2020 year is the word "unprecedented".
We are still able to have an All Blacks squad.
@Snowy said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@sparky said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@taniwharugby I guess, but for previous tours for a very long time there have always been confirmed fixtures before the squad's named.
This is not like previous years. The biggest winner of the 2020 year is the word "unprecedented".
We are still able to have an All Blacks squad.
I'd like to see them name a team on Thursday as well regardless of whether there is a game on.
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@Bones said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@Crucial said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
Good defensive coaches pour over tapes to find these flaws and neutralise good players.
No.
That’s a pore error.
@Billy-Tell said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@Bones said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@Crucial said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
Good defensive coaches pour over tapes to find these flaws and neutralise good players.
No.
That’s a pore error.
I was time poor
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@Bones said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@Crucial said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
Good defensive coaches pour over tapes to find these flaws and neutralise good players.
No.
That’s a pore error.
@Billy-Tell said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@Bones said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@Crucial said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
Good defensive coaches pour over tapes to find these flaws and neutralise good players.
No.
That’s a pore error.
Dog goes into an old western bar and says......
‘I’m looking for the man who shot my pore’
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@DMX said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@sparky said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
Sparky's 23 to take on Whoever:
Moody, Taylor, Laulala, Whitelock, Tuipulotu, Frizell, Cane (c), Sotutu, A. Smith, Mo'unga, C. Clarke, ALB, R. Ioane, Jordan, J. Barrett
Coles, Hodgman, Ofa T, Strange or Grace, A. Savea, TJP, B. Barrett, Goodhue
Nothing really screams Fozzie about this squad, I am still of the opinion he will be very conservative with first match
Moody, Taylor, Laulala, Whitelock, Tuipulotu, Frizell, Cane (c), Savea, A. Smith, Mo'unga, Bridge, ALB, Goodhue, Reece, B. Barrett
Coles, Hodgman, Ofa , Strange. Sotutu, TJP, J. Barrett, R. IaoneNew blood will be introduced via the bench or through injury as usual.
The locks will rotate on the pine and I can see Savea playing cover while the likes of Sotutu are given a start.
Lomax and Hodgman will get some bench roles too.
The starting changes should be ditching Bridge and Reece (who have been fizzers IMO) and establishing Clarke and Jordan.@Crucial said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@DMX said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
@sparky said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:
Sparky's 23 to take on Whoever:
Moody, Taylor, Laulala, Whitelock, Tuipulotu, Frizell, Cane (c), Sotutu, A. Smith, Mo'unga, C. Clarke, ALB, R. Ioane, Jordan, J. Barrett
Coles, Hodgman, Ofa T, Strange or Grace, A. Savea, TJP, B. Barrett, Goodhue
Nothing really screams Fozzie about this squad, I am still of the opinion he will be very conservative with first match
Moody, Taylor, Laulala, Whitelock, Tuipulotu, Frizell, Cane (c), Savea, A. Smith, Mo'unga, Bridge, ALB, Goodhue, Reece, B. Barrett
Coles, Hodgman, Ofa , Strange. Sotutu, TJP, J. Barrett, R. IaoneNew blood will be introduced via the bench or through injury as usual.
The locks will rotate on the pine and I can see Savea playing cover while the likes of Sotutu are given a start.
Lomax and Hodgman will get some bench roles too.
The starting changes should be ditching Bridge and Reece (who have been fizzers IMO) and establishing Clarke and Jordan.First, I hope this is the case, but based on Plum's comments yesterday I think they'll start conservatively with Ardie at 8 and then look to bring in Hoskins after that (maybe in test 2, 3 or 4 depending upon how Ardie goes). To my mind, a lot depends upon how Frizell / Akira go at 6. If they're not doing the business then we may be forced to play Ardie there, which leaves us no choice but to throw Hoskins in.
Second, couldn't agree more. Clarke and Jordan could not have been more dynamic the other day when compared to what we've had to our up with Reece and Carthorse Mark II.
