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Chiefs 2021

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    Some points of interest:

    The Chiefs are reverting to co-captains this season and an announcement on the new skipper is due next week. Weber, Lienert-Brown and 14-test prop Angus Ta’avao, who has captained Taranaki and Auckland in the Mitre 10 Cup, are among those in contention but Chiefs assistant coach David Hill confirmed they were still deciding.

    Hill also indicated the Chiefs would be changing the way they play but wouldn’t specify how, saying “I can't give you all the secrets” with a grin, but said McMillan has particularly highlighted the need to tweak their defensive systems.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/300221373/super-rugby-sam-cane-given-extra-week-off-as-all-blacks-return-to-chiefs-for-preseason

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      What are people's thoughts on Sowakula? For some reason I thought he was 28+ and Fiji capped but he's only 26 and NZ-eligible, however I can't see him even entering the discussion for the ABs. Placeholder or still improving?

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        What are people's thoughts on Sowakula? For some reason I thought he was 28+ and Fiji capped but he's only 26 and NZ-eligible, however I can't see him even entering the discussion for the ABs. Placeholder or still improving?

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        @mofitzy_

        Placeholder who shouldn't be starting, and, if I were honest, should take the money overseas and turn out for Fiji. He's a fantastic athlete (originally a Basketballer) and does a reasonable job for us at this level, but he won't be an AB.

        Further, IMO Jacobson is a better 8, is younger, and has a bigger future. Sowakula off the bench would be my preferred way of using him, but perhaps Jacobson 6, Cane 7, and Sowakula at 8 will be needed - especially if we have to run out a short and light second row again (i.e., basically running out five loose forwards).

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          Agree with @gt12

          Sowakula has the physical attributes (big, fast) but hasn't shown any consistency yet. His biggest issue is ball control, often losing the ball in contact. Watch the start of the Moana Pasifika-Maori game as an example.

          The Chiefs have selected two young no.8s in the squad (Parker, K Boshier) but neither are ready yet.

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          • BovidaeB Bovidae

            Agree with @gt12

            Sowakula has the physical attributes (big, fast) but hasn't shown any consistency yet. His biggest issue is ball control, often losing the ball in contact. Watch the start of the Moana Pasifika-Maori game as an example.

            The Chiefs have selected two young no.8s in the squad (Parker, K Boshier) but neither are ready yet.

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            @Bovidae said in Chiefs 2021:

            Agree with @gt12

            Sowakula has the physical attributes (big, fast) but hasn't shown any consistency yet. His biggest issue is ball control, often losing the ball in contact. Watch the start of the Moana Pasifika-Maori game as an example.

            The Chiefs have selected two young no.8s in the squad (Parker, K Boshier) but neither are ready yet.

            He does have a bit Shield's disease (i.e., tits for hands).
            I didn't realize that he was also converted winger, which might be another reason why he isn't as comfortable with his handling in traffic.

            If we had a few better pieces around the forward pack (e.g. one more quality prop, BBBR back), I could see PGS as a really valuable role player, which will had plenty of 10 years ago when we were a Championship side.

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              Sky have replayed the 2012 and 2013 SR finals over recent months so I recorded both. I watched the 2012 final last week and the likes of Kane Thompson were very important pieces of that team. But that side was based around no-name players plucked from the regions.

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              • gt12G gt12

                @mofitzy_

                Placeholder who shouldn't be starting, and, if I were honest, should take the money overseas and turn out for Fiji. He's a fantastic athlete (originally a Basketballer) and does a reasonable job for us at this level, but he won't be an AB.

                Further, IMO Jacobson is a better 8, is younger, and has a bigger future. Sowakula off the bench would be my preferred way of using him, but perhaps Jacobson 6, Cane 7, and Sowakula at 8 will be needed - especially if we have to run out a short and light second row again (i.e., basically running out five loose forwards).

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                @gt12 nice description really, fully agree. I think he suffers from white line fever a bit as well.

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                  https://tiponrugby.substack.com/p/bay-dreams

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                    Who is the most likely candidate for the second coming of Maori Jesus? Tupaea, Sullivan or Pohipi?

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                    • mofitzy_M mofitzy_

                      Who is the most likely candidate for the second coming of Maori Jesus? Tupaea, Sullivan or Pohipi?

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                      @mofitzy_ said in Chiefs 2021:

                      Who is the most likely candidate for the second coming of Maori Jesus? Tupaea, Sullivan or Pohipi?

                      ALB is already here.

                      To be a bit more serious, no one around (in this team) comes close in terms of natural versatility and capability to be effective in multiple positions. Given that Maori Jesus was effective at 12, 13, 15, and could cover both wings, we’re miles away from having someone like that.

                      Its been a while since there has been a player like that around. I guess Havili is the closest at the moment? Or perhaps Goosen, who is a bit down the class scale compared to those two.

                      Or Jordie perhaps.

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                        ALB is Samoan, isn't he?

                        Agree on versatility. Havili and Jordie could probably play 10-15, though not world class in most of those positions.

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                        • mofitzy_M mofitzy_

                          ALB is Samoan, isn't he?

                          Agree on versatility. Havili and Jordie could probably play 10-15, though not world class in most of those positions.

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                          @mofitzy_ yeah he is, not Māori. Might have been before my time on the fern, who was the OG Māori jesus?

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                            @mofitzy_ yeah he is, not Māori. Might have been before my time on the fern, who was the OG Māori jesus?

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                            @Yeetyaah Charlie Ngatai IIRC.

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                              @mofitzy_ said in Chiefs 2021:

                              Who is the most likely candidate for the second coming of Maori Jesus? Tupaea, Sullivan or Pohipi?

                              ALB is already here.

                              To be a bit more serious, no one around (in this team) comes close in terms of natural versatility and capability to be effective in multiple positions. Given that Maori Jesus was effective at 12, 13, 15, and could cover both wings, we’re miles away from having someone like that.

                              Its been a while since there has been a player like that around. I guess Havili is the closest at the moment? Or perhaps Goosen, who is a bit down the class scale compared to those two.

                              Or Jordie perhaps.

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                              @gt12 I don't remember Charlie playing on the wing.

                              Tiatia would be the utility back in this squad as he can play 11-15. Samoan Jesus.

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                              • Crazy HorseC Crazy Horse

                                @Yeetyaah Charlie Ngatai IIRC.

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                                @Crazy-Horse ah yeah old Chizz.

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                                  @gt12 I don't remember Charlie playing on the wing.

                                  Tiatia would be the utility back in this squad as he can play 11-15. Samoan Jesus.

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                                  @Bovidae said in Chiefs 2021:

                                  @gt12 I don't remember Charlie playing on the wing.

                                  Tiatia would be the utility back in this squad as he can play 11-15. Samoan Jesus.

                                  Tiatia probably rates as one of the disciples at best. 🙂

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                                  • NepiaN Nepia

                                    @Bovidae said in Chiefs 2021:

                                    @gt12 I don't remember Charlie playing on the wing.

                                    Tiatia would be the utility back in this squad as he can play 11-15. Samoan Jesus.

                                    Tiatia probably rates as one of the disciples at best. 🙂

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                                    @Nepia

                                    It says a lot if the best we’ve got for that role is Tiatia.

                                    I’m hoping that we won’t be the worst NZ Super rugby side. I’m not holding out much hope though, the landers seem to have a few more better pieces in key positions.

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                                      @Nepia

                                      It says a lot if the best we’ve got for that role is Tiatia.

                                      I’m hoping that we won’t be the worst NZ Super rugby side. I’m not holding out much hope though, the landers seem to have a few more better pieces in key positions.

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                                      @gt12 said in Chiefs 2021:

                                      @Nepia

                                      It says a lot if the best we’ve got for that role is Tiatia.

                                      I’m hoping that we won’t be the worst NZ Super rugby side. I’m not holding out much hope though, the landers seem to have a few more better pieces in key positions.

                                      Should have made the alignment with the Magpies and not the Naki. 😉

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                                      • gt12G gt12

                                        @Nepia

                                        It says a lot if the best we’ve got for that role is Tiatia.

                                        I’m hoping that we won’t be the worst NZ Super rugby side. I’m not holding out much hope though, the landers seem to have a few more better pieces in key positions.

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                                        @gt12 said in Chiefs 2021:

                                        It says a lot if the best we’ve got for that role is Tiatia.

                                        Tiatia has one advantage over Ngatai - he's usually fit to play.

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                                          I'd like to see Tupaea at 12 after how impressive he was at 12 for Maori ABs and at age grade level.

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