Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11
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For all those begging for the drop goal near the end... sitting in the stadium, I'd have to say I can understand nobody going for a droppie. You'd need the advantage guarantee to have gone for anything other than safely-safely in that weather.
Just read back through the thread, even in the first half, nobody seemed to know who had the wind at their back.
It was stereotypical CakeTin, on the higher end of the Beaufort scale.@Kruse said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
For all those begging for the drop goal near the end... sitting in the stadium, I'd have to say I can understand nobody going for a droppie. You'd need the advantage guarantee to have gone for anything other than safely-safely in that weather.
Just read back through the thread, even in the first half, nobody seemed to know who had the wind at their back.
It was stereotypical CakeTin, on the higher end of the Beaufort scale.If we'd lost I would start to suspect you might be a bad luck charm for us....
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@broughie said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
I thinks the young lock played well in the time he spent on the park. Trying to think of positives.
He was ok but very lucky not to give away a penalty when oz were close to our line at the end.
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@antipodean said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
We get this even when the refs favour the wobs from their whinging fans so we aren't going to hear the end of it after today. The whinging on twitter has been non stop.
@akan004 The whining from some of the Wallaby fans that a NZ ref cost them a win is hilarious and sadly predictable.
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@akan004 ref was predictably horrible. nearly let through two no-tries if not for Gardner (who wasnt much better).
Gardner will probably be as bad next week in favouring Aus .
@Derpus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@akan004 ref was predictably horrible. nearly let through two no-tries if not for Gardner (who wasnt much better).
Gardner will probably be as bad next week in favouring Aus .
Can't be worse than Williams
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@Kruse said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
For all those begging for the drop goal near the end... sitting in the stadium, I'd have to say I can understand nobody going for a droppie. You'd need the advantage guarantee to have gone for anything other than safely-safely in that weather.
Just read back through the thread, even in the first half, nobody seemed to know who had the wind at their back.
It was stereotypical CakeTin, on the higher end of the Beaufort scale.If we'd lost I would start to suspect you might be a bad luck charm for us....
@canefan said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Kruse said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
For all those begging for the drop goal near the end... sitting in the stadium, I'd have to say I can understand nobody going for a droppie. You'd need the advantage guarantee to have gone for anything other than safely-safely in that weather.
Just read back through the thread, even in the first half, nobody seemed to know who had the wind at their back.
It was stereotypical CakeTin, on the higher end of the Beaufort scale.If we'd lost I would start to suspect you might be a bad luck charm for us....
I did worry about that before the game, made sure I left the Japanese “sports charm” I got at one of the Kumano temples, and took to Yokohama... at home.
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@akan004 The whining from some of the Wallaby fans that a NZ ref cost them a win is hilarious and sadly predictable.
@antipodean doesnt really matter - in the context of the series a draw is as good as a win for us.
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@akan004 The whining from some of the Wallaby fans that a NZ ref cost them a win is hilarious and sadly predictable.
@antipodean said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@akan004 The whining from some of the Wallaby fans that a NZ ref cost them a win is hilarious and sadly predictable.
They have a point. Williams was bad.
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@antipodean said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@akan004 The whining from some of the Wallaby fans that a NZ ref cost them a win is hilarious and sadly predictable.
They have a point. Williams was bad.
@KiwiMurph said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@antipodean said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@akan004 The whining from some of the Wallaby fans that a NZ ref cost them a win is hilarious and sadly predictable.
They have a point. Williams was bad.
But he didn't favour the home team. Anyone thinking Gardner's going to be any better has rocks in their head.
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Our set piece saved us in that game, we stole plenty of lineout ball and got a number of scrum penalties. We also got a number of crucial penalties with Oz on our line. If Oz can fix their lineout and cleanout better we could be in a lot of trouble. I thought White was excellent with his sniping runs. Their wingers ran hard and fast, kind of like if we had Clarke and Reece/Ioane.
I didn't think the problem was our forwards, we gave away a lot of possession and some errors on D.
I do wonder if Fozzie knows any other way apart from the Hansen way considering that is the only environment he has been in for ages. I would have loved to have seen how the AB's would have played under Rennie.
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The positives are there are some players we can bring in to the starting XV to make this team improve.
@KiwiMurph said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
The positives are there are some players we can bring in to the starting XV to make this team improve.
Yeah it will be interesting what changes come. Two forced changes pre-game.
Clarke was great off the bench and I think most of us predicted he (and Sotutu) would provide impact late in the game against tired defenders. Do they start?
Might seem like an easy decision but as we know many a player has looked good coming on in these situations and it is stark given the way the test has played out.
Ideally at this stage I would still have Mo’unga coming off the bench behind B. Barrett. And my “informed” team selections
I had Barrett at 10 with Jordie at 15. To me Reece and Ioane are our two best wingers and Goodhue and ALB our best midfield.I don’t have stats or analysis other than from the armchair but it covers several bases.
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I thought the big work on after the semi was to improve our physicality. We looked even less physical than last year.
@akan004 Aaron Smith said in the post-match interview that the ABs didn't get to the ruck fast enough; the Aussies were way faster. That caused some of the problems for him and Mo'unga, denying them enough time. He said that he and RM should have used their kicking game more ...
Not sure that would have worked with this weather, but I also thought the ABs looked at bit slow at times (compared to the Aussies).
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Our set piece saved us in that game, we stole plenty of lineout ball and got a number of scrum penalties. We also got a number of crucial penalties with Oz on our line. If Oz can fix their lineout and cleanout better we could be in a lot of trouble. I thought White was excellent with his sniping runs. Their wingers ran hard and fast, kind of like if we had Clarke and Reece/Ioane.
I didn't think the problem was our forwards, we gave away a lot of possession and some errors on D.
I do wonder if Fozzie knows any other way apart from the Hansen way considering that is the only environment he has been in for ages. I would have loved to have seen how the AB's would have played under Rennie.
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I thought the big work on after the semi was to improve our physicality. We looked even less physical than last year.
@akan004 said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
I thought the big work on after the semi was to improve our physicality. We looked even less physical than last year.
If only we got a coach who spent time in a country known for physicality. I genuinely wonder wtf they spent their time in camp doing.
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Our set piece saved us in that game, we stole plenty of lineout ball and got a number of scrum penalties. We also got a number of crucial penalties with Oz on our line. If Oz can fix their lineout and cleanout better we could be in a lot of trouble. I thought White was excellent with his sniping runs. Their wingers ran hard and fast, kind of like if we had Clarke and Reece/Ioane.
I didn't think the problem was our forwards, we gave away a lot of possession and some errors on D.
I do wonder if Fozzie knows any other way apart from the Hansen way considering that is the only environment he has been in for ages. I would have loved to have seen how the AB's would have played under Rennie.
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There was so much wrong with this team, and when it came down to it we displayed the same weaknesses that England ruthlessly exposed at the RWC. Without Cane smacking Wallabies all night to try and slow some of their ball it could have gotten really ugly. We got dominated and the stats reflect that. It's really disappointing that it appears we learnt nothing from that.
The obvious selection mistakes:
- Jordie on the wing instead of fullback, especially after Beauden was ruled out.
- Bridge starting ahead of Clarke
- Savea at 8 instead of an actual 8. Savea is best used off the bench at test level, that is obvious to nearly everyone but the AB coaches
IMO next weeks backline, injury permitting, should read: Smith, Beauden, Clarke, ALB, Goodhue, Jordan, Jordie
The obvious game plan mistakes:
- we didn't have one
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@akan004 Aaron Smith said in the post-match interview that the ABs didn't get to the ruck fast enough; the Aussies were way faster. That caused some of the problems for him and Mo'unga, denying them enough time. He said that he and RM should have used their kicking game more ...
Not sure that would have worked with this weather, but I also thought the ABs looked at bit slow at times (compared to the Aussies).
@Stargazer said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@akan004 Aaron Smith said in the post-match interview that the ABs didn't get to the ruck fast enough; the Aussies were way faster. That caused some of the problems for him and Mo'unga, denying them enough time. He said that he and RM should have used their kicking game more ...
Not sure that would have worked with this weather, but I also thought the ABs looked at bit slow at times (compared to the Aussies).
Aussies have some good young forwards that aren’t carrying much baggage of past AB dominance. They were eager as and we needed to step up and match it. Our tackling overall was good but it was the ruck work that was way to hit and miss.
Aaron is an excellent box kicker, tough conditions, but he didn’t use it as much today.
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@akan004 Aaron Smith said in the post-match interview that the ABs didn't get to the ruck fast enough; the Aussies were way faster. That caused some of the problems for him and Mo'unga, denying them enough time. He said that he and RM should have used their kicking game more ...
Not sure that would have worked with this weather, but I also thought the ABs looked at bit slow at times (compared to the Aussies).
@Stargazer Yeah, noticed that at times. But our tackling was poor apart from Cane which allowed the Aussie forwards to make easy metres. Hardly any dominant tackles. Line speed was poor too, but under McCleod I didn't expect anything different tbh.
