Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11
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@NTA said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Stargazer said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@chimoaus Aren't the tests against the Aussies in Australia also for the Bledisloe Cup?
Yeah, can someone tell me how the Bledisloe works with 4 games. Can we technically draw 1 more and lose 2 and still retain it. Don't the Aussies have to win 3 to win it? Or do we have to win at least twice?
No - if there are 2 draws and 2 Wallaby wins, it is ours, 2-nil.
The Bled is three games. I'm unsure if it is determined by points difference in the event of a draw and a win apiece or if the holder keeps it.
@antipodean said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@NTA said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Stargazer said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@chimoaus Aren't the tests against the Aussies in Australia also for the Bledisloe Cup?
Yeah, can someone tell me how the Bledisloe works with 4 games. Can we technically draw 1 more and lose 2 and still retain it. Don't the Aussies have to win 3 to win it? Or do we have to win at least twice?
No - if there are 2 draws and 2 Wallaby wins, it is ours, 2-nil.
The Bled is three games. I'm unsure if it is determined by points difference in the event of a draw and a win apiece or if the holder keeps it.
Oh right - next week then the 31st.
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@NTA said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Stargazer said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@chimoaus Aren't the tests against the Aussies in Australia also for the Bledisloe Cup?
Yeah, can someone tell me how the Bledisloe works with 4 games. Can we technically draw 1 more and lose 2 and still retain it. Don't the Aussies have to win 3 to win it? Or do we have to win at least twice?
No - if there are 2 draws and 2 Wallaby wins, it is ours, 2-nil.
The Bled is three games. I'm unsure if it is determined by points difference in the event of a draw and a win apiece or if the holder keeps it.
@antipodean said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@NTA said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Stargazer said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@chimoaus Aren't the tests against the Aussies in Australia also for the Bledisloe Cup?
Yeah, can someone tell me how the Bledisloe works with 4 games. Can we technically draw 1 more and lose 2 and still retain it. Don't the Aussies have to win 3 to win it? Or do we have to win at least twice?
No - if there are 2 draws and 2 Wallaby wins, it is ours, 2-nil.
The Bled is three games. I'm unsure if it is determined by points difference in the event of a draw and a win apiece or if the holder keeps it.
Ok so if we win in Auckland we retain it then I assume.
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@KiwiMurph said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
There's a 4th Bledisloe after the 31st
7 November is the 4th Bledisloe.
Ok, so the Aussies could lose next week and if they win their 2 on home soil they get the Trophy 2-1
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@Machpants said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
At least stuffs rating have some semblance of reality, don't look at the heralds, averaged 6 or 7 of ten!
Edit. Don't look at rugby pass, minimum is 6 most are 8, what fucking game were they watching?
Player ratings are meant to be just that. Not a reflection on disapointment over the overall team.
Cane deserves way more than a 6. That was a seriously impressive performance.@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Machpants said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
At least stuffs rating have some semblance of reality, don't look at the heralds, averaged 6 or 7 of ten!
Edit. Don't look at rugby pass, minimum is 6 most are 8, what fucking game were they watching?
Player ratings are meant to be just that. Not a reflection on disapointment over the overall team.
Cane deserves way more than a 6. That was a seriously impressive performance.Fake news to quote one American President.
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@antipodean said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Tim said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Looks like it will be wet with 40 kph winds.
ABs by 13.
Hoping for a repeat of 96
96 was old school balls, muddy fields and an absolutely unprotected stadium. Athletic park was amazing when the weather was good, but goddamn when it was bad it was awful. Still little better rugby watching than the Mallard Stand.
But that weather was truly atrocious, and to pull ou the skills on a day like that was remarkable. I was i ntown, but couldn't land a ticket at the time (and didn't try particularly hard, given the weather)
@nzzp said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Still little better rugby watching than the Mallard Stand.
Only the Millenium Stadium comes close.
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@KiwiMurph said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
There's a 4th Bledisloe after the 31st
7 November is the 4th Bledisloe.
Ok, so the Aussies could lose next week and if they win their 2 on home soil they get the Trophy 2-1
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@KiwiMurph said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
There's a 4th Bledisloe after the 31st
7 November is the 4th Bledisloe.
Ok, so the Aussies could lose next week and if they win their 2 on home soil they get the Trophy 2-1
Yes. Drawn series, holder keeps it, but Ozzie have to win next 2 of three games. Thus a draw as good as a win for Oz, cos if they lost this they'd have to win the next three. Now they only have to win 2 of the next 3, same as us
Conversely a second draw counts as a win for us, then we only have to win one of the other two games, haha
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So much anger in here! Wasn't this entirely predicted? We are ALWAYS sloppy 1st up, always. And with some average selections and a heap of new combinations, it was always going to be a struggle. New lock combo, new loose forward combo, new 12/13, new back 3. What the fuck did we expect?
But it doesn't matter, we are going to bring the physicality back! Look out for the mighty Ardie comin' at ya! Here comes Patty T with a cheap lazy shoulder to let you know who's boss!
Lots of folk here giving Smith kudos, and while I'd admit he wasn't bad, I certainly didn't think he was great - 1st half especially he seemed to revert to that late-career half back trait of taking 2 steps before passing. And why the fuck is it so easy to identify that kicking high in that breeze is a good tactic after 90 minutes of rugby but its impossible for you or Richie or the coaches to think of before/during the fucking match???
Frustrating week, predictably so in hindsight.
That Cane bloke looks like one for the future though, could be world class one day
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@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@KiwiMurph said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
There's a 4th Bledisloe after the 31st
7 November is the 4th Bledisloe.
Ok, so the Aussies could lose next week and if they win their 2 on home soil they get the Trophy 2-1
Yes. Drawn series, holder keeps it, but Ozzie have to win next 2 of three games. Thus a draw as good as a win for Oz, cos if they lost this they'd have to win the next three. Now they only have to win 2 of the next 3, same as us
Conversely a second draw counts as a win for us, then we only have to win one of the other two games, haha
@Machpants said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@KiwiMurph said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
There's a 4th Bledisloe after the 31st
7 November is the 4th Bledisloe.
Ok, so the Aussies could lose next week and if they win their 2 on home soil they get the Trophy 2-1
Yes. Drawn series, holder keeps it, but Ozzie have to win next 2 of three games. Thus a draw as good as a win for Oz, cos if they lost this they'd have to win the next three. Now they only have to win 2 of the next 3, same as us
If Fozzie loses the Bled after all this time I will expect nothing less than a full hari kari ritual and ushering in a new regime
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@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@KiwiMurph said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
There's a 4th Bledisloe after the 31st
7 November is the 4th Bledisloe.
Ok, so the Aussies could lose next week and if they win their 2 on home soil they get the Trophy 2-1
Yes. Drawn series, holder keeps it, but Ozzie have to win next 2 of three games. Thus a draw as good as a win for Oz, cos if they lost this they'd have to win the next three. Now they only have to win 2 of the next 3, same as us
Conversely a second draw counts as a win for us, then we only have to win one of the other two games, haha
@Machpants said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@KiwiMurph said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
There's a 4th Bledisloe after the 31st
7 November is the 4th Bledisloe.
Ok, so the Aussies could lose next week and if they win their 2 on home soil they get the Trophy 2-1
Yes. Drawn series, holder keeps it, but Ozzie have to win next 2 of three games. Thus a draw as good as a win for Oz, cos if they lost this they'd have to win the next three. Now they only have to win 2 of the next 3, same as us
Kind of gives the Aussies the freedom to have a real crack next weekend and play without fear of losing the Bled again. They can only grow in confidence from today. Could the Eden Park record be under threat?
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@junior said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@akan004 said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
I thought the big work on after the semi was to improve our physicality. We looked even less physical than last year.
That and having a clear game plan would have made a big difference
Isn't "just run about a bit" a good gameplan?
@canefan said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@junior said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@akan004 said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
I thought the big work on after the semi was to improve our physicality. We looked even less physical than last year.
That and having a clear game plan would have made a big difference
Isn't "just run about a bit" a good gameplan?
Maybe in the Under 10s
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@Machpants said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@KiwiMurph said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
There's a 4th Bledisloe after the 31st
7 November is the 4th Bledisloe.
Ok, so the Aussies could lose next week and if they win their 2 on home soil they get the Trophy 2-1
Yes. Drawn series, holder keeps it, but Ozzie have to win next 2 of three games. Thus a draw as good as a win for Oz, cos if they lost this they'd have to win the next three. Now they only have to win 2 of the next 3, same as us
Kind of gives the Aussies the freedom to have a real crack next weekend and play without fear of losing the Bled again. They can only grow in confidence from today. Could the Eden Park record be under threat?
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@Machpants said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@KiwiMurph said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
There's a 4th Bledisloe after the 31st
7 November is the 4th Bledisloe.
Ok, so the Aussies could lose next week and if they win their 2 on home soil they get the Trophy 2-1
Yes. Drawn series, holder keeps it, but Ozzie have to win next 2 of three games. Thus a draw as good as a win for Oz, cos if they lost this they'd have to win the next three. Now they only have to win 2 of the next 3, same as us
Kind of gives the Aussies the freedom to have a real crack next weekend and play without fear of losing the Bled again. They can only grow in confidence from today. Could the Eden Park record be under threat?
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Kind of gives the Aussies the freedom to have a real crack next weekend and play without fear of losing the Bled again. They can only grow in confidence from today. Could the Eden Park record be under threat?
I'm thinking of starting a poll for Wallabies fans - which would you prefer?
Break Eden Park hoodoo and lose Bledisloe
or
Get beaten at EP but win Bledisloe
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So much anger in here! Wasn't this entirely predicted? We are ALWAYS sloppy 1st up, always. And with some average selections and a heap of new combinations, it was always going to be a struggle. New lock combo, new loose forward combo, new 12/13, new back 3. What the fuck did we expect?
But it doesn't matter, we are going to bring the physicality back! Look out for the mighty Ardie comin' at ya! Here comes Patty T with a cheap lazy shoulder to let you know who's boss!
Lots of folk here giving Smith kudos, and while I'd admit he wasn't bad, I certainly didn't think he was great - 1st half especially he seemed to revert to that late-career half back trait of taking 2 steps before passing. And why the fuck is it so easy to identify that kicking high in that breeze is a good tactic after 90 minutes of rugby but its impossible for you or Richie or the coaches to think of before/during the fucking match???
Frustrating week, predictably so in hindsight.
That Cane bloke looks like one for the future though, could be world class one day
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@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Kind of gives the Aussies the freedom to have a real crack next weekend and play without fear of losing the Bled again. They can only grow in confidence from today. Could the Eden Park record be under threat?
I'm thinking of starting a poll for Wallabies fans - which would you prefer?
Break Eden Park hoodoo and lose Bledisloe
or
Get beaten at EP but win Bledisloe@NTA said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Kind of gives the Aussies the freedom to have a real crack next weekend and play without fear of losing the Bled again. They can only grow in confidence from today. Could the Eden Park record be under threat?
I'm thinking of starting a poll for Wallabies fans - which would you prefer?
Break Eden Park hoodoo and lose Bledisloe
or
Get beaten at EP but win BledisloeYou need a third option of winning at Eden Park and Winning the Bled
Which would you prefer? -
well, shit I'm still steaming.
I'm pissed, and the reason is that all of this was called in advance. Players picked out of position, poor game plan and dumb rugby - everything we feared about Foster's All Blacks. We had better players than Australia, but they were clearly better coached and it showed. Up for it? Not sure we were in the same way.
Positives
Cane was outstanding. If you wanted a leader look at that bastard. Worked his guts out.
Defence was really solid. Some freakish tries (following interesting ref calls) to get there.
Um, I'm struggling after thatNegatives
Players out of position killed us. Jordie, Ardie, Goodhue in particular
Forwards were good without being dominant
Mo'unga chose a bad time to shit the bed.
Gameplan was terrible (what gameplan), and the lack of rugby nous in fielding kicks had me yelling at the TV. Seriously, with the wind behind them, how the hell do you let a farking dropout from the 22 go over your head, and basically gift Aus 40 m and possession. My. Head. Exploded.
Lack of a dropgoal at the end. Have we learned nothing from SA a few years ago? Seriously? FFS people, get betterWe did well living on scraps, offense looked great in the first 40. Rieko needs to learn how to put the ball down.
Unlike @tim I'm OK with Frizzel; he just smashed into people all night.Argh, I'm really annoyed. Win here was important. God knows we need to get up next week
