Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11
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Man I hope Foster picks the same starting XV next week. The Fern will really come alive.
At least we aren’t in 2016 and the Fern talking about rugby being boring because the ABs keep winning and Fitzy and other jokers saying AB dominance is not good for rugby.
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@voodoo said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
.RM was awful from what I saw. He looked like a rabbit it the headlights at times. If BB isn't back, DMac at 10 and RM on the bench. Gotta be an improvement from what I saw.
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Maybe, but he's performed OK and has Test experiencee there and who else is there?
With the Bled on the line do we risk another performance from RM like tonight's or risk a relative rookie like Josh Ione or Otere Black?
Oh, hang on, Fozzie could always play Jordie at 10......
@Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@voodoo said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
.RM was awful from what I saw. He looked like a rabbit it the headlights at times. If BB isn't back, DMac at 10 and RM on the bench. Gotta be an improvement from what I saw.
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Maybe, but he's performed OK and has Test experiencee there and who else is there?
With the Bled on the line do we risk another performance from RM like tonight's or risk a relative rookie like Josh Ione or Otere Black?
Oh, hang on, Fozzie could always play Jordie at 10......
I hear you that stocks are thin or untested beyond these guys, but I think we have seen enough of RM and DMac to know that RM is the better option, despite a poor performance tonight.
As someone said a while back, DMac could actually be an excellent backup 9. And maybe cover 10 at a stretch for a short period [Edit: fixed for missed words]. But not a starter at either.
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Been thinking, Foster must be working on some genius midfield innovation to beat the rush defence.
Probably sounds a bit obvious and simple, nor am I sure how it’s supposed to exactly work or look, but he must be looking for Goodhue to bring the accuracy of how he plays at centre in a spot, and for Reiko to use his step and gas to get on the outside his rushing opposite?
Who bloody knows, I’m probably just clutching at straws.
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@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@hydro11 If only Stransky had played like RM
It's not really apples with apples though. In a KO game there is more incentive to kick the drop goal because you always have extra time.
Edit: biggest difference is probably just that Mounga isn't as good at kicking drop goals as Stransky was - plus the wind.
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Went in to the game and took my four year daughter. Was a great atmosphere and the extra minutes at the end just added to the experience. Will have to watch the game again this week as you miss so much at the game. Best part was some drunk lady distracted my daughter for most of the game so I actually got to watch most of it.
Couple of things on the game (though won't stand by them too closely until I've rewatched it).
Backs
DMac looked a lot better here than he did for the Chiefs. I'd still rather see one of the Barretts there but was good to see him get some form back.Jordie is way to pedestrian for wing. There was one point early in the first half where he appeared to be trying to run through quick sand.
Will be interesting to watch Reiko. He appeared to fuck up by not passing to Jordie at one stage and hogged the ball instead. And dropping the ball like he did is embarrassing and effectively lost us the game. I really wish that he'd go back to being the worlds best winger.
Bridge is so impotent. Really doesn't seem to offer much. Though that was a sweet pass that lead to Smith's try.
R'Mo looked below test level standard. Looked indecisive at times and seemed to have no confidence in the end to demand they set up for a droppie. Might be a while before he finds his feet at test level.
Ardie was no where near a test standard 8. I've got no idea why Foster (other than Foster is a fuckwit) picks two sevens in his starting trio and asks one of them to play like a big bopper 8. Sevens work best when they have constant interactions in the game.
Cane was awesome and hit attackers like a truck. Though his first game as captain had a real 2020 Chiefs feel to it.
I thought Frizell went OK. He tackled well and it's not his fault the loose forward mix is out.
Moody tackled well and Ofa hit hard but fell off a few tackles. Cody appeared to carry on his average 2019 form.
Rennie 'out coached' Foster. The OZ first half was excellent as they more often than not would have been playing into the swirling breeze. I think a stat popped up at halftime that OZ had 70% possession and territory which is clever rugby in those conditions.
Not much to say about the Wallabies other than well done and they probably deserved to win the game. I think an area they can make good improvement in is their accuracy at the breakdown. The amount of times the AB's managed to get a turnover or penalty after a Wallaby went flying/crashing over the ruck instead of actually clearing out was hilarious. Lucky for the AB's too as it meant the Wallabies couldn't build enough pressure.
Looking forward to catching this on TV and revising my opinions.
@Toddy
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Man I hope Foster picks the same starting XV next week. The Fern will really come alive.
At least we aren’t in 2016 and the Fern talking about rugby being boring because the ABs keep winning and Fitzy and other jokers saying AB dominance is not good for rugby.
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Man I hope Foster picks the same starting XV next week. The Fern will really come alive.
At least we aren’t in 2016 and the Fern talking about rugby being boring because the ABs keep winning and Fitzy and other jokers saying AB dominance is not good for rugby.
It might just make for a lot of short posts before the game; there’s only so many variations on “what is that cretin doing now?” to post
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@SynicBast said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@canefan said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@canefan Nor will you barring some type of serious misconduct
We are stuck with him for 2 years
Losing the Bledisloe would be a fairly major KPI failure - enough to warrant sacking
What happened to making it interesting?
@NTA said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Losing the Bledisloe would be a fairly major KPI failure - enough to warrant sacking
What happened to making it interesting?
Interesting is for Art critics and Sydney Barista bois
The Bledisloe is Win or GTFO as far as the majority of NZ rugby aficionados are concerned. Athletic Park 96 is still the defining Wellington game for many of us. -
Well I thought it was pointed that Rennie said they were practicing drop kicks during the week when asked if he wanted his players too have taken that option.
Anybody think we were practicing drop kicks?
@Kirwan said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Well I thought it was pointed that Rennie said they were practicing drop kicks during the week when asked if he wanted his players too have taken that option.
Anybody think we were practicing drop kicks?
And yet OZ didn’t take one?
It’s pretty standard these days for guys to practice them.
Rennie knows the NZ psyche so is having a dig I reckon.
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@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@hydro11 If only Stransky had played like RM
Wasn't that one of multiple attempts by Stransky in that match? Him and Mehrts both had some misses.
So what you're saying is RM should have had some pots during the game so he could eventually get one over?
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@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@hydro11 If only Stransky had played like RM
Wasn't that one of multiple attempts by Stransky in that match? Him and Mehrts both had some misses.
So what you're saying is RM should have had some pots during the game so he could eventually get one over?
@Nepia He could have almost thrown it over at the end. But I understand it's a low percentage play, but they are professionals and should have that play dialed in just like any other. If that had been Wilko, Stransky, Brooke etc they would have had a go you would think.
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Don’t entirely get the hate for the lack of attempt at a droppie.
Yes, it’s 3 points and a potential win, but it sure is shit isn’t guaranteed.
What happens when they take the shot and it misses, everyone cries and stamps their feet that it was the wrong option?
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well, shit I'm still steaming.
I'm pissed, and the reason is that all of this was called in advance. Players picked out of position, poor game plan and dumb rugby - everything we feared about Foster's All Blacks. We had better players than Australia, but they were clearly better coached and it showed. Up for it? Not sure we were in the same way.
Positives
Cane was outstanding. If you wanted a leader look at that bastard. Worked his guts out.
Defence was really solid. Some freakish tries (following interesting ref calls) to get there.
Um, I'm struggling after thatNegatives
Players out of position killed us. Jordie, Ardie, Goodhue in particular
Forwards were good without being dominant
Mo'unga chose a bad time to shit the bed.
Gameplan was terrible (what gameplan), and the lack of rugby nous in fielding kicks had me yelling at the TV. Seriously, with the wind behind them, how the hell do you let a farking dropout from the 22 go over your head, and basically gift Aus 40 m and possession. My. Head. Exploded.
Lack of a dropgoal at the end. Have we learned nothing from SA a few years ago? Seriously? FFS people, get betterWe did well living on scraps, offense looked great in the first 40. Rieko needs to learn how to put the ball down.
Unlike @tim I'm OK with Frizzel; he just smashed into people all night.Argh, I'm really annoyed. Win here was important. God knows we need to get up next week
@nzzp said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
well, shit I'm still steaming.
I'm pissed, and the reason is that all of this was called in advance. Players picked out of position, poor game plan and dumb rugby - everything we feared about Foster's All Blacks. We had better players than Australia, but they were clearly better coached and it showed. Up for it? Not sure we were in the same way.
Positives
Cane was outstanding. If you wanted a leader look at that bastard. Worked his guts out.
Defence was really solid. Some freakish tries (following interesting ref calls) to get there.
Um, I'm struggling after thatNegatives
Players out of position killed us. Jordie, Ardie, Goodhue in particular
Forwards were good without being dominant
Mo'unga chose a bad time to shit the bed.
Gameplan was terrible (what gameplan), and the lack of rugby nous in fielding kicks had me yelling at the TV. Seriously, with the wind behind them, how the hell do you let a farking dropout from the 22 go over your head, and basically gift Aus 40 m and possession. My. Head. Exploded.
Lack of a dropgoal at the end. Have we learned nothing from SA a few years ago? Seriously? FFS people, get betterWe did well living on scraps, offense looked great in the first 40. Rieko needs to learn how to put the ball down.
Unlike @tim I'm OK with Frizzel; he just smashed into people all night.Argh, I'm really annoyed. Win here was important. God knows we need to get up next week
But how good was that Aggies win over the Gators!!
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Don’t entirely get the hate for the lack of attempt at a droppie.
Yes, it’s 3 points and a potential win, but it sure is shit isn’t guaranteed.
What happens when they take the shot and it misses, everyone cries and stamps their feet that it was the wrong option?
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@Gunner Agreed, but fuk me its sweet when it goes over, Brooke, Larkham, Stransky, even Hunt have got a lot of reply time out of it.
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
...when it goes over, Brooke, Larkham, Stransky, even Hunt have got a lot of reply time out of it .
And that’s what really counts
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Don’t entirely get the hate for the lack of attempt at a droppie.
Yes, it’s 3 points and a potential win, but it sure is shit isn’t guaranteed.
What happens when they take the shot and it misses, everyone cries and stamps their feet that it was the wrong option?
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@Gunner No, not at all. I'd rather he tried and missed then not go at all.
@African-Monkey said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Gunner No, not at all. I'd rather he tried and missed then not go at all.
Why is that different to trying and missing to score a try?
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@African-Monkey said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Gunner No, not at all. I'd rather he tried and missed then not go at all.
Why is that different to trying and missing to score a try?
@Gunner He would have been about 15 out directly in front of the sticks. Yeah, it may have gone wide or got charged down but Australia's defence was rather settled at that point and the conditions towards the end were horrendous for handling. As I said the droppie may have missed but the try was a lower percentage play out of the two. Just my two cents.
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@Gunner He would have been about 15 out directly in front of the sticks. Yeah, it may have gone wide or got charged down but Australia's defence was rather settled at that point and the conditions towards the end were horrendous for handling. As I said the droppie may have missed but the try was a lower percentage play out of the two. Just my two cents.
@African-Monkey fair point.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not against the droppie, I just don’t think it’s the magic bullet some on here think it is...
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@Stargazer said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@chimoaus Aren't the tests against the Aussies in Australia also for the Bledisloe Cup?
Yeah, can someone tell me how the Bledisloe works with 4 games. Can we technically draw 1 more and lose 2 and still retain it. Don't the Aussies have to win 3 to win it? Or do we have to win at least twice?
