Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11
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well, shit I'm still steaming.
I'm pissed, and the reason is that all of this was called in advance. Players picked out of position, poor game plan and dumb rugby - everything we feared about Foster's All Blacks. We had better players than Australia, but they were clearly better coached and it showed. Up for it? Not sure we were in the same way.
Positives
Cane was outstanding. If you wanted a leader look at that bastard. Worked his guts out.
Defence was really solid. Some freakish tries (following interesting ref calls) to get there.
Um, I'm struggling after thatNegatives
Players out of position killed us. Jordie, Ardie, Goodhue in particular
Forwards were good without being dominant
Mo'unga chose a bad time to shit the bed.
Gameplan was terrible (what gameplan), and the lack of rugby nous in fielding kicks had me yelling at the TV. Seriously, with the wind behind them, how the hell do you let a farking dropout from the 22 go over your head, and basically gift Aus 40 m and possession. My. Head. Exploded.
Lack of a dropgoal at the end. Have we learned nothing from SA a few years ago? Seriously? FFS people, get betterWe did well living on scraps, offense looked great in the first 40. Rieko needs to learn how to put the ball down.
Unlike @tim I'm OK with Frizzel; he just smashed into people all night.Argh, I'm really annoyed. Win here was important. God knows we need to get up next week
@nzzp said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
well, shit I'm still steaming.
I'm pissed, and the reason is that all of this was called in advance. Players picked out of position, poor game plan and dumb rugby - everything we feared about Foster's All Blacks. We had better players than Australia, but they were clearly better coached and it showed. Up for it? Not sure we were in the same way.
Positives
Cane was outstanding. If you wanted a leader look at that bastard. Worked his guts out.
Defence was really solid. Some freakish tries (following interesting ref calls) to get there.
Um, I'm struggling after thatNegatives
Players out of position killed us. Jordie, Ardie, Goodhue in particular
Forwards were good without being dominant
Mo'unga chose a bad time to shit the bed.
Gameplan was terrible (what gameplan), and the lack of rugby nous in fielding kicks had me yelling at the TV. Seriously, with the wind behind them, how the hell do you let a farking dropout from the 22 go over your head, and basically gift Aus 40 m and possession. My. Head. Exploded.
Lack of a dropgoal at the end. Have we learned nothing from SA a few years ago? Seriously? FFS people, get betterWe did well living on scraps, offense looked great in the first 40. Rieko needs to learn how to put the ball down.
Unlike @tim I'm OK with Frizzel; he just smashed into people all night.Argh, I'm really annoyed. Win here was important. God knows we need to get up next week
But how good was that Aggies win over the Gators!!
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Don’t entirely get the hate for the lack of attempt at a droppie.
Yes, it’s 3 points and a potential win, but it sure is shit isn’t guaranteed.
What happens when they take the shot and it misses, everyone cries and stamps their feet that it was the wrong option?
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@Gunner Agreed, but fuk me its sweet when it goes over, Brooke, Larkham, Stransky, even Hunt have got a lot of reply time out of it.
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
...when it goes over, Brooke, Larkham, Stransky, even Hunt have got a lot of reply time out of it .
And that’s what really counts
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Don’t entirely get the hate for the lack of attempt at a droppie.
Yes, it’s 3 points and a potential win, but it sure is shit isn’t guaranteed.
What happens when they take the shot and it misses, everyone cries and stamps their feet that it was the wrong option?
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@Gunner No, not at all. I'd rather he tried and missed then not go at all.
@African-Monkey said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Gunner No, not at all. I'd rather he tried and missed then not go at all.
Why is that different to trying and missing to score a try?
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@African-Monkey said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Gunner No, not at all. I'd rather he tried and missed then not go at all.
Why is that different to trying and missing to score a try?
@Gunner He would have been about 15 out directly in front of the sticks. Yeah, it may have gone wide or got charged down but Australia's defence was rather settled at that point and the conditions towards the end were horrendous for handling. As I said the droppie may have missed but the try was a lower percentage play out of the two. Just my two cents.
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@Gunner He would have been about 15 out directly in front of the sticks. Yeah, it may have gone wide or got charged down but Australia's defence was rather settled at that point and the conditions towards the end were horrendous for handling. As I said the droppie may have missed but the try was a lower percentage play out of the two. Just my two cents.
@African-Monkey fair point.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not against the droppie, I just don’t think it’s the magic bullet some on here think it is...
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@Stargazer said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@chimoaus Aren't the tests against the Aussies in Australia also for the Bledisloe Cup?
Yeah, can someone tell me how the Bledisloe works with 4 games. Can we technically draw 1 more and lose 2 and still retain it. Don't the Aussies have to win 3 to win it? Or do we have to win at least twice?
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Go home rugby pass, you’re drunk, of all time?
@Kiwiwomble It was a fantastic overtime period, except one side needed to win to truly make it epic, like with a drop goal or something
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Important to note that the next game isn't at Eden Park. It's at some joint called ASB stadium. Advantage wobblies
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Been thinking, Foster must be working on some genius midfield innovation to beat the rush defence.
Probably sounds a bit obvious and simple, nor am I sure how it’s supposed to exactly work or look, but he must be looking for Goodhue to bring the accuracy of how he plays at centre in a spot, and for Reiko to use his step and gas to get on the outside his rushing opposite?
Who bloody knows, I’m probably just clutching at straws.
@Gunner said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Been thinking, Foster must be working on some genius midfield innovation to beat the rush defence.
Probably sounds a bit obvious and simple, nor am I sure how it’s supposed to exactly work or look, but he must be looking for Goodhue to bring the accuracy of how he plays at centre in a spot, and for Reiko to use his step and gas to get on the outside his rushing opposite?
Who bloody knows, I’m probably just clutching at straws.
Nonu-lite (aka Laumape) could be the key here, he runs hard and straight, often getting over the gain-line and always taking a couple defenders to at least commit to him, this opens gaps for Ioane to boost through. The AB's did manage to put Ioane into a couple holes today for some good gained metres.
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Saw something on Facebook, the ABs haven’t won their last 5 games in Wellington?
Is this true?
If so, we need to stop playing there immediately.
@Gunner said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Saw something on Facebook, the ABs haven’t won their last 5 games in Wellington?
Is this true?
If so, we need to stop playing there immediately.
Burn the stadium.
That yellow is an abomination to
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@Gunner said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Been thinking, Foster must be working on some genius midfield innovation to beat the rush defence.
Probably sounds a bit obvious and simple, nor am I sure how it’s supposed to exactly work or look, but he must be looking for Goodhue to bring the accuracy of how he plays at centre in a spot, and for Reiko to use his step and gas to get on the outside his rushing opposite?
Who bloody knows, I’m probably just clutching at straws.
Nonu-lite (aka Laumape) could be the key here, he runs hard and straight, often getting over the gain-line and always taking a couple defenders to at least commit to him, this opens gaps for Ioane to boost through. The AB's did manage to put Ioane into a couple holes today for some good gained metres.
@westcoastie said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Gunner said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Been thinking, Foster must be working on some genius midfield innovation to beat the rush defence.
Probably sounds a bit obvious and simple, nor am I sure how it’s supposed to exactly work or look, but he must be looking for Goodhue to bring the accuracy of how he plays at centre in a spot, and for Reiko to use his step and gas to get on the outside his rushing opposite?
Who bloody knows, I’m probably just clutching at straws.
Nonu-lite (aka Laumape) could be the key here, he runs hard and straight, often getting over the gain-line and always taking a couple defenders to at least commit to him, this opens gaps for Ioane to boost through. The AB's did manage to put Ioane into a couple holes today for some good gained metres.
Those gaps were pretty wide though. Take the play that lead to the try, it happened with Ioane out on the line (literally) and with Bridge infield.
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Important to note that the next game isn't at Eden Park. It's at some joint called ASB stadium. Advantage wobblies
@mariner4life said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Important to note that the next game isn't at Eden Park. It's at some joint called ASB stadium. Advantage wobblies
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Important to note that the next game isn't at Eden Park. It's at some joint called ASB stadium. Advantage wobblies
@mariner4life said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Important to note that the next game isn't at Eden Park. It's at some joint called ASB stadium. Advantage wobblies
I believe it's going to be the "Hush Hush Bar Stadium", with ASB donating the naming to a deserving local business.
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It appears coaches think if a player is world class in their main position, they can easily transfer those skills to another position. But is it that easy? We always consider 2, 9, and 10 to be specialist but could you not argue that 1-15 are all specialist spots that take many many hours of game time to learn and master? Why do we think we can simply change a player at test level and expect it to work?
Experts in any field are experts because they don't think about why they do something; they just do it instinctively. How long does it take a player to become a specialist?
I wonder in the case of Savea, is he worse off for having to play all 3 positions instead of becoming an expert at 1?
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It appears coaches think if a player is world class in their main position, they can easily transfer those skills to another position. But is it that easy? We always consider 2, 9, and 10 to be specialist but could you not argue that 1-15 are all specialist spots that take many many hours of game time to learn and master? Why do we think we can simply change a player at test level and expect it to work?
Experts in any field are experts because they don't think about why they do something; they just do it instinctively. How long does it take a player to become a specialist?
I wonder in the case of Savea, is he worse off for having to play all 3 positions instead of becoming an expert at 1?
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
I wonder in the case of Savea, is he worse off for having to play all 3 positions instead of becoming an expert at 1?
Certainly. His game and skills suit playing at
128, but there are better 8s in the country.
